Jesse Benton resigns as Mitch McConnell's campaign manager

[jjdoyle]

Apparently the professional establishment solution is to bribe someone. Politics as usual? No thanks.

And apparently, it's OUR responsibility to win it. THE SUPPORTERS. The ones that gave Ron Paul 2008 nearly $20 million, and Ron Paul 2012 about $40 million.
All she does is repeatedly belittle, lie, curse at, name-call, and make false claims against supporters and their posts that are critical of what is/was a lying, corrupt, dishonest, garbage of a campaign in 2012.

She has lied about me three times in this very thread, and lied about what an article said. Bryan and corrupt, lying, moderators have allowed her and Matt Collins to stay around for years with THIS EXACT BEHAVIOR.

The guidelines are a waste. She is stupid (dumb on purpose), and a repeat liar. Both facts, proven in this very thread. She is no more concerned with truth, than the Devil IMO.

 

[Badger Paul]

"Something stinks about all of Rons business and campaign endevers"

Sadly there's a distructive innoncence about Ron which makes him believe all he has to deliver the "message" and that's it. He doesn't realize the "message" doesn't get heard if the "messenger" is tainted with scandal.

 

[Badger Paul]

"Or when people threw snowballs at Hannity. "

Oh come on, you didn't get a good belly-laugh at watching Sean doing his own version of cutting and running? I know I sure did.

 

[Bryan]

. Bryan and corrupt, lying, moderators have allowed her and Matt Collins to stay around for years with THIS EXACT BEHAVIOR.

Please flag post if you have an issue and we will address it as best possible. Please mind the guidelines as well. thank you.

 

[Badger Paul]

"I don't personally find it very probable. The chairman of the campaign would have no knowledge of $80K going out the door? I doubt it."

Nor would he have quit his job if more stuff wasn't going to eventually come out in the near-future. Remember there are two other grand jury investigations going on right now as well. This whole story broke a year ago and obviously back then Benton didn't think it would be an impediment to being the "front" campaign manager for McConnell (does anyone honestly believe he's actually making decisions?).

I find it interesting the 2012 campaign is paying off legal firms which makes me suspicious that they're basically bankrolling Sorenson's legal defense indirectly. They may well have to pay for Jesse's too


The bottom line is the money was laundered. It was laundered through a front company, probably run by Kesari. You don't launder money that's above board or use for payment for serviced rendered. Why go through all that just to get his endorsement? There was no reason the pay Sorenson a single fricken dime. He betrayed Paul by joining the Bachmann campaign in 2011 and if he wanted to jump ship I would have told him to get in the back of the line. The reason the Bachmann campaign didn't reveal anything after they made their accusations is because they were paying him too, in violation of Iowa law, and this would have been discovered (as it eventually was). Sorenson is basically sleazy little rat looking for a payout. Where Benton comes in is what he knew about the whole scheme to begin with, which I'm sure we'll discover over due course.

What did Ron know? Probably nothing other what Benton told him. "Jesse, did you bribe a state senator?" "No sir." "Good! I'm glad to hear these charges aren't true." What more needed to be asked? Why would he think is grandson-in-law was lying to him? In Ron's world, everyone's an honest fellow because that's the only way the market works: everyone trusts everyone else to do business. Unfortunately he forgot he was dealing with people whose business is politics, where lying is part of the trade.

 

[jjdoyle]

Please flag post if you have an issue and we will address it as best possible. Please mind the guidelines as well. thank you.

I did flag a post last night, and had one of my own deleted containing facts to a lying, stupid, response. So, again, your guidelines are crap.

So, perhaps had you and/or your moderator not deleted that post I flagged, and instead banned her, the FULL record would still be showing her as the (mod edit). Based on ACTUAL posts in this thread.

Not my problem you have a problem with the English language. Idiot is 100% accurate, based on her posts in this very thread:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/idiot

Keep sending "infractions" for stating the truth.

 

[Bryan]

Your flag led to 5 posts being deleted and other private actions. If you flag a post it's best not to also quote the problem area. Flame wars can be deleted in wholesale, there is no policy that we will parse through what is good vs not.

Otherwise, your use of labels against site members don't help your case, best to stick with what is important here.

Please keep on topic, this is an important matter, no need to get off topic. Thank you.

 

[kylejack]

Fusaro has Sorenson on tape saying that Jesse knew about the bribe. http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2...ger_resigns_after_being_ensnared_in_iowa.html

 

[kylejack]

Here's the phone call where Benton is asked what he knows about the bribe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60TGUNwHDtw He denies knowing about it and asks Fusaro to send proof. Fusaro sent the proof and leaked the tape 6 months later when Benton allegedly didn't do anything about the evidence he was sent.

 

[nobody's_hero]

(Mod edit). But, that's not the point. Most Paul supporters in '08 didn't know the first thing about how to win campaigns. It's not enough to want someone to win, you have to know the steps necessary to help them win. And no, going to rallies and waving signs aren't enough.

You know, you're starting to sound a lot like the Collinz. Please keep in mind that it doesn't do a darn bit of good if you 'know how to win an election' and won't see things through to the end.

I've never supported the truther antics, but I'll readily take 1 truther who would go down fighting to the bitter end, than 1,000,000 people who 'know how to win', yet get within a stone's throw of the finish line and quit trying. How exactly is the latter supposedly any more desirable than the former?

If there was any benefit to 2012, it was that we learned about the convention process. But that's pretty moot now, with all the rules changes the GOP enacted to essentially prevent newcomers from having any shot at becoming future delegates. Furthermore:

In Georgia, and I'm sure other states deemed 'unwinnable' by your beloved 'professionals', we had absolutely no communication with the official campaign leading into the convention. Allegedly the conventions were of some paramount importance. The 'delegate strategy', they called it. *har har pfft*. These grand strategists you adore had told us to train for the delegate process, but had obviously lost their backbone by the time it became necessary to fight. Instead of spending, say, $80,000 to help with things like getting delegates to the convention, or at least having someone from the campaign come in and offer guidance, the campaign spent our donations funneling money to politicians for endorsements, and still sits on three-quarters of a million dollars that didn't do a damn bit of good sitting in an account during the convention fights.

We knew we were going in alone. We had briefings before the convention, and we were told there would be no reinforcements at the convention fight. We were doing this ALONE. And we went down fighting, ALONE. You realize what that does for morale?

So, basically, I say:

From here on out: FUCK people who 'know how to run a campaign.' FUCK Jesse Benton. We don't need spineless 'professionals' when we have do-or-die dedicated amateurs.

 

[cajuncocoa]

As the Ron Paul Inc. scandal unfolds for all to see, the question must be asked, how did all this come to pass?

I remain in the camp, until shown otherwise by cold hard facts, that Ron Paul very likely knew nothing about the lunatic shenanigans of Ron Paul Inc. But is there any culpability on Dr. Paul's part?

As an outsider, it always looked to me that RP was more interested in getting the liberty message out than political machinations. And there were certain steps he took which could be viewed as attempting to keep the political operation from getting out of control.

More: http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/09/what-ron-paul-did-wrong.html

 

[phill4paul]

From here on out: FUCK people who 'know how to run a campaign.' FUCK Jesse Benton. We don't need spineless 'professionals' when we have do-or-die dedicated amateurs.

<insert applause gif> +rep.

 

[Natural Citizen]

We don't need spineless 'professionals' when we have do-or-die dedicated amateurs.

There you go. That's the one.

 

[New York For Paul]

The FEC always goes after the campaign treasurer. So if there is a problem, that is the fall guy or fall gal. Being treasurer is a very prestigious position fraught with much peril. I hope things go well for her.

 

[klamath]

And always that great looming elephant in the room, who were we trying to get elected? It is F this person F that person yet people drop their heads and look away who that person was. They pat themselves on the back on how they could spot the crooks long ago and how they were so courageous for taking the hits for pointing out all the crooks appointed to run the campaign. So people need to ask themselves this question since the campaign staff put together by "that" person can bring frothing rage, what would an administration run by people "that" person appointed, bring? AG Jesse Benton anyone? Press secretary Collin's, anyone? An administration of egotistical, self enriching, pocket lining crooks that the person in the oval office forever has no clue what they are doing because he is so far out in la la land of a libertarian dream world.
God forbid what if the grassroots were successful!

 

[amy31416]

And apparently, it's OUR responsibility to win it. THE SUPPORTERS. The ones that gave Ron Paul 2008 nearly $20 million, and Ron Paul 2012 about $40 million.
All she does is repeatedly belittle, lie, curse at, name-call, and make false claims against supporters and their posts that are critical of what is/was a lying, corrupt, dishonest, garbage of a campaign in 2012.

She has lied about me three times in this very thread, and lied about what an article said. Bryan and corrupt, lying, moderators have allowed her and Matt Collins to stay around for years with THIS EXACT BEHAVIOR.

The guidelines are a waste. She is stupid (dumb on purpose), and a repeat liar. Both facts, proven in this very thread. She is no more concerned with truth, than the Devil IMO.

Listen, just for a moment. LE and Collins are not in the same category. Collins would likely sell out in a second for $2, LE would not. She's been here since the beginning, and we've had our differences, but I don't doubt her sincerity for a moment when it comes to this cause. Is her traditional way better than a non-traditional way? I don't know, but please, she's definitely on our/your side.

We can all get rather grouchy over politics, it's maddening, but we should try to keep things civil and take the high ground.

P.S. I haven't always taken the "high ground," and I do regret that.

 

[LibertyEagle]

So, basically, I say:

From here on out: FUCK people who 'know how to run a campaign.' FUCK Jesse Benton. We don't need spineless 'professionals' when we have do-or-die dedicated amateurs.

Well, that would be dandy if there were enough of us. But, there aren't. Not even close. You can't just circle the wagons, you know. So yeah, you have to understand the mechanics; Robert's Rules of Order, getting involved and elected in your local party, etc. That's not selling out. It's making sure you have the tools to win. Again, no one is suggesting that you or anyone else sell out.

 

[klamath]

Listen, just for a moment. LE and Collins are not in the same category. Collins would likely sell out in a second for $2, LE would not. She's been here since the beginning, and we've had our differences, but I don't doubt her sincerity for a moment when it comes to this cause. Is her traditional way better than a non-traditional way? I don't know, but please, she's definitely on our/your side.

We can all get rather grouchy over politics, it's maddening, but we should try to keep things civil and take the high ground.

P.S. I haven't always taken the "high ground," and I do regret that.

LE is about as loyal as a person can get. She put her loyalty behind Ron Paul and I believe she would die defending him. She is the kind of friend a person would most certainly love to have when their back is against the wall.

 

[amy31416]

LE is about as loyal as a person can get. She put her loyalty behind Ron Paul and I believe she would die defending him. She is the kind of friend a person would most certainly love to have when their back is against the wall.

No doubt. There is and upside and downside to that, but I am happy to call her my e-friend. I can't imagine someone putting her into another category with the likes of "he whose name should not be spoken", I would be offended.

 

[Anti Federalist]

And always that great looming elephant in the room, who were we trying to get elected? It is F this person F that person yet people drop their heads and look away who that person was. They pat themselves on the back on how they could spot the crooks long ago and how they were so courageous for taking the hits for pointing out all the crooks appointed to run the campaign. So people need to ask themselves this question since the campaign staff put together by "that" person can bring frothing rage, what would an administration run by people "that" person appointed, bring? AG Jesse Benton anyone? Press secretary Collin's, anyone? An administration of egotistical, self enriching, pocket lining crooks that the person in the oval office forever has no clue what they are doing because he is so far out in la la land of a libertarian dream world.
God forbid what if the grassroots were successful!

I addressed this previously...

Without trying to sound pretentious, I want to say I understand exactly how Ron gets himself into these positions, as I have found myself in them before as well.

Short version: It is VERY hard to be a "leader", to bark orders and make commands and demand that things happen just as you want, when your whole personality is opposed to authoritarianism.

Ron would need a "hard man" at his right hand, to prevent these things from happening.