PaleoPaul
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But Rand is, and I hope this doesn't hurt him.
Jesse Benton resigns as Mitch McConnell's campaign manager
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I posted this in another thread on Kent Sorenson pleading guilty yesterday, here it is again for those that don't know and have missed some of the information:
"It's already been reported on some when it originally happened/broke. This is just a continuation of the original story. The FEC is currently investigating the campaign, and there were multiple staffers listed in the complaint to the FEC:
http://theiowarepublican.com/2014/f...-into-ron-paul-2012-campaign-sorenson-payoff/
Which is why I think the campaign is sitting on so much cash still, to probably help fund the defense fund or certain staffers and/or pay any fees/fines. The campaign has been paying one law firm in the D.C. area several thousand dollars every single quarter, SINCE THE CAMPAIGN ENDED. Yet, it refused donation requests by some supporters, and said the amount on hand was over-stated (despite the FEC reports SHOWING us how much they claimed to have). They were lying, and have been lying, for years about a lot. Wasting people's time, and money. So they could get paychecks and nice cushy jobs?
Here are firms that received payment from Ron Paul 2012 just last quarter:
http://www.leclairryan.com/ ($6,000)
http://www.bblawonline.com/ ($19,000)
http://www.arentfox.com/ ($4,900)
http://www.andrewskurth.com/ ($2,900)
NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY, that was in Ron Paul 2012 staff and has continued to defend what was/is a dishonest campaign, should be near Rand in 2016. If anybody wants to listen to an interview, on Ron Paul vs. Ron Paul Inc., here you go:
Not only does he discuss certain individuals by name, but you will also hear how Ron Paul Inc. is trying to filter the "riffraff" at conventions and seminars you may pay to attend. Which is very good to know, BEFORE YOU PAY MONEY, to attend one of them and fill out any paperwork or survey."
The innocents I'm concerned with, are the supporters. Those that gave money and time to a campaign that was helping Mitt Romney win the nomination, after it become apparent they had no chance to win. A campaign that kept begging, pleading, and lying to supporters in emails about what would be done with funds raised. Then having that campaign end abruptly in early June, BEFORE THE CONVENTION. So Rand could endorse Mitt Romney on national TV and get a speaking slot at the RNC?
So, then the Ron Paul 2012 campaign wouldn't even attend PaulFest in Florida, put on by supporters?
So then Jack Hunter could get a job with Rand, after poorly and horribly trying to defend Rand's horrid endorsement of Mitt Romney on RonPaul2012.com, the OFFICIAL campaign website?
So that Jesse Benton could get a job with Mitch McConnell?
So another Ron Paul 2012 staffer could get a job at with the RNC/GOP?
I certainly hope for some that have been banned from RPF over the years for being openly, legitimately, critical of Ron Paul 2012 and those associated with it, that Bryan will now go back and unban those accounts. And try to reach out to those people.
When you have moderators teaming up with people like Matt Collins though, defending him, banning users that called him names, but not banning Matt Collins when he does the exact same in return. It's pathetic.
When you have moderators openly lying about RPF members, name-calling members, deleting posts, not responding to PMs, making false claims about members, and banning members because the moderators apparently hate the truth and can't stand it, or simply don't like the tone of truth. That's pathetic.
At this point, I would actually suggest Bryan rename the forums, or redirect it to LibertyForest or another domain. We have no clue how deep this is going to go, but we do know the names of some being investigated by the FEC, as the first link above shows.
I know some people have absolutely HATED my posts critical about the campaign, but I have been warning about this for a while now.
"Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains to bring it to light."
"It's already been reported on some when it originally happened/broke. This is just a continuation of the original story. The FEC is currently investigating the campaign, and there were multiple staffers listed in the complaint to the FEC:
http://theiowarepublican.com/2014/f...-into-ron-paul-2012-campaign-sorenson-payoff/
Which is why I think the campaign is sitting on so much cash still, to probably help fund the defense fund or certain staffers and/or pay any fees/fines. The campaign has been paying one law firm in the D.C. area several thousand dollars every single quarter, SINCE THE CAMPAIGN ENDED. Yet, it refused donation requests by some supporters, and said the amount on hand was over-stated (despite the FEC reports SHOWING us how much they claimed to have). They were lying, and have been lying, for years about a lot. Wasting people's time, and money. So they could get paychecks and nice cushy jobs?
Here are firms that received payment from Ron Paul 2012 just last quarter:
http://www.leclairryan.com/ ($6,000)
http://www.bblawonline.com/ ($19,000)
http://www.arentfox.com/ ($4,900)
http://www.andrewskurth.com/ ($2,900)
NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY, that was in Ron Paul 2012 staff and has continued to defend what was/is a dishonest campaign, should be near Rand in 2016. If anybody wants to listen to an interview, on Ron Paul vs. Ron Paul Inc., here you go:
Not only does he discuss certain individuals by name, but you will also hear how Ron Paul Inc. is trying to filter the "riffraff" at conventions and seminars you may pay to attend. Which is very good to know, BEFORE YOU PAY MONEY, to attend one of them and fill out any paperwork or survey."
The innocents I'm concerned with, are the supporters. Those that gave money and time to a campaign that was helping Mitt Romney win the nomination, after it become apparent they had no chance to win. A campaign that kept begging, pleading, and lying to supporters in emails about what would be done with funds raised. Then having that campaign end abruptly in early June, BEFORE THE CONVENTION. So Rand could endorse Mitt Romney on national TV and get a speaking slot at the RNC?
So, then the Ron Paul 2012 campaign wouldn't even attend PaulFest in Florida, put on by supporters?
So then Jack Hunter could get a job with Rand, after poorly and horribly trying to defend Rand's horrid endorsement of Mitt Romney on RonPaul2012.com, the OFFICIAL campaign website?
So that Jesse Benton could get a job with Mitch McConnell?
So another Ron Paul 2012 staffer could get a job at with the RNC/GOP?
I certainly hope for some that have been banned from RPF over the years for being openly, legitimately, critical of Ron Paul 2012 and those associated with it, that Bryan will now go back and unban those accounts. And try to reach out to those people.
When you have moderators teaming up with people like Matt Collins though, defending him, banning users that called him names, but not banning Matt Collins when he does the exact same in return. It's pathetic.
When you have moderators openly lying about RPF members, name-calling members, deleting posts, not responding to PMs, making false claims about members, and banning members because the moderators apparently hate the truth and can't stand it, or simply don't like the tone of truth. That's pathetic.
At this point, I would actually suggest Bryan rename the forums, or redirect it to LibertyForest or another domain. We have no clue how deep this is going to go, but we do know the names of some being investigated by the FEC, as the first link above shows.
I know some people have absolutely HATED my posts critical about the campaign, but I have been warning about this for a while now.
"Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains to bring it to light."
Yeah, I also asked in that thread I posted the original comment in, that I wonder if/when he'll resign from C4L because of this?
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I recall getting lambasted as well when all that went down. I stopped donating to C4L shortly after that too.
Cursed at. Banned. Lied about. Name-called. George Washington was correct (if the quote is from him as I think), "Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains to bring it to light."
Moderators repeatedly making false statements, deleting posts, sending PMs making false claims. Telling me what I do/don't support, like they're mind readers (about as accurate as mind readers). Despite all that, I continued. And will, until Ron Paul 2012 starts giving refunds to supporters like they should have long ago when asked.
I should have added John Tate to my list though:
Jack Hunter gets job with Rand, after using RonPaul2012.com to defend a horrid endorsement of Mitt Romney.
Jesse Benton gets job with Mitch McConnell.
John Tate gets job at C4L.
Another RonPaul2012 staffer got a job with the GOP/RNC.
Doug Wead is the only one near the top of the campaign that apparently didn't get some cush job after the campaign, did he? Doug Wead was also one of the few staffers (the only one I'm actually aware of now), to interact with supporters, answer emails, etc.
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One of the major problems I had with Ron Paul is that he couldn't lead very well; part of being a leader is being able to manage people. In a way the primaries serve as a test for the leadership capabilities of the respective candidates and their ability to effectively manage an organization. Ron Paul allowed himself to be surrounded with family friends, and less than trustworthy individuals taking advantage of him. In fact, some of the best stuff that was done for the Paul campaign was done by independent activists unaffiliated with the mismanaged central campaign. Jesse Benton was a major symptom of this weakness.
Rand Paul seems like he's better. Although he doesn't have very much leadership experience from his professional career, the guy is a natural. Clearly he knows how to organize people somewhat, although to what extent remains to be seen. I suppose the real test will be seeing the quality of his organization come 2016.
Rand Paul seems like he's better. Although he doesn't have very much leadership experience from his professional career, the guy is a natural. Clearly he knows how to organize people somewhat, although to what extent remains to be seen. I suppose the real test will be seeing the quality of his organization come 2016.
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Any time we'd question Jessie Benton's actions, I distinctly remember Matt Collins repeatedly telling people, "Oh you don't know how politics works." —Like there was some great fucking master plan to infiltrate the GOP by playing the game and rubbing elbows and high-fiving and chest bumping every statist politician in Washington.
Well, Benton ain't gonna be doing much elbow-rubbing in a jail cell, and any alleged 'benefit'** he was doing the liberty movement by working for Mitch McConnell has just been shot to hell and back.
In regards to the 'benefit'**:
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There is only one Ron Paul. I guess it is too much to have expected he could have possibly surrounded himself with men of the same character as himself
There will always be opportunists hanging around anywhere there is potential for opportunity, and they will take advantage of those with integrity. It happens all the time.
There will always be opportunists hanging around anywhere there is potential for opportunity, and they will take advantage of those with integrity. It happens all the time.
If Ron had one blind spot it was the character of those he surrounded himself with.
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same here. if benton is in the campaign, im out. no money, no sign hanging, no word of mouth, nothing. ill be done and out.
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Hmm you guys are starting to convince me, if Benton is involved in 2016.
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after reading this and now listening to the vid posted "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh9FbTKRU-E", i AM DONE if benton or any of these others are involved. that includes collins as well. and thats what fucking hurts me. ive defended collins many times here. i thought he got picked at to much. now, not so. and then to read that some of the mods here were involved in directing the conversation of said topics....i AM DONE if these certain people are involved with rand. DONE!
anyone that knows me personally would shit themselves to hear me say this. people here that know me WILL shit themselves when they see that im serious. this will break the camel in fucking half if these people get involved.
i think i may have to take some time off from the forums for a little bit and see how this plays out. fucking better NOT be true.
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Yea I'm listening to that interview right now while searching for a video where Benton said "we didn't offer him any money."
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Without trying to sound pretentious, I want to say I understand exactly how Ron gets himself into these positions, as I have found myself in them before as well.
Short version: It is VERY hard to be a "leader", to bark orders and make commands and demand that things happen just as you want, when your whole personality is opposed to authoritarianism.
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Burn...
That was already done by Ron Paul 2012 in February 2012, March 2012, April 2012, and May 2012. And it's probably why Ron Paul 2012 has been, and probably still is, paying those firms I linked above:
"Here are firms that received payment from Ron Paul 2012 just last quarter:
http://www.leclairryan.com/ ($6,000)
http://www.bblawonline.com/ ($19,000)
http://www.arentfox.com/ ($4,900)
http://www.andrewskurth.com/ ($2,900)"
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