Jerusalem Post confirms Israel knew USS Liberty was American

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Jerusalem Post confirms Israel knew USS Liberty was American

A 2004 transcript of an Israeli military tape published in the Jerusalem Post supports the unanimous position of the survivors and many high-ranking US officers that Israeli forces knew the USS Liberty was an American ship, as they attempted to sink it.

The Liberty was the only ship of its kind at the time, easily distinguishable for the huge satellite dishes mounted on its deck and the bristling array of antennae which served as the spy ship's "ears."

The survivors, and the audio tape on which the transcript is based, are presented in a new documentary which was broadcast on the Al Jazeera America channel last week. The audio tape has never been heard before by an American audience. The film "The Day Israel Attacked America" is directed and produced by British film maker Richard Belfield.

Israel has long maintained, with official US government inquiries agreeing, that the attack was a case of mistaken identity. However, a growing chorus of critics, and the USS Liberty survivors themselves, say the official reports are cover-ups of an incident in which American sailors were ruthlessly, deliberately attacked in order to draw the US into war with Egypt, by blaming it for the loss of the ship with all hands. Israel was engaged in the Six Day War with Egypt and other Arab states at the time.

The attack, which commenced on June 8th, 1967 at 1:58 p.m. local time with strafing runs by Israeli Mirage jet fighters, lasted for approximately two hours, after seven to nine reconnaissance flights over the Liberty by slow-moving Israeli patrol planes beginning at 5:30 a.m. Liberty survivors are unanimous in their conviction that the attackers knew the ship was American, and that they were trying hard to sink it. Expended over the course of the attack were over 800 rounds of 30mm cannon, air-to-surface rockets, heat-seeking missiles, napalm bombs, and five torpedoes.

In the documentary, during the course of the attack, at 2:14 p.m., 16 minutes after the first strafing run begins, voices of Israeli military controllers are heard to say, as the timeline is counted in the background:

"To what state does she belong?" (Answer): "American"

Supporting the authenticity of the tape, in 2004 the Jerusalem Post published what it said was a transcript of Israeli military transmissions directing the attack on the USS Liberty. In that transcript, at precisely the same time, 2:14pm, the exchange translated from Hebrew to English is reported:

"Kislev, what country?" (Answer): "Apparently American."

[Jerusalem Post archives, "Exclusive: Liberty attack tapes revealed," June 3, 2004, by Arieh O'Sullivan, article copy]

The Post transcript ends with this transmission. However, the attack continued for another hour and a half. Twenty minutes after the indication of positive identification, an Israeli torpedo boat approaches and fires five torpedoes, one of which hits the starboard bow and nearly sinks the ship.

Although the Israeli government maintains to this day that the Liberty was mistaken for an Egyptian ship, the Israeli attack aircraft were unmarked. The Liberty survivors and the many skeptics of Israel's "accident" explanation point out that open warfare was already taking place at the time with Egypt, and there would be no reason to use aircraft with its markings meticulously painted over.

The matching timeline substantiates the authenticity of the tape broadcast, as raw audio with subtitled translation, by Al Jazeera America. The match indicates that the tape broadcast by Al Jazeera, and the tape on which the Jerusalem Post based its transcript, are the same.

The translated transcript of the raw audio published by the Post was made by a Post reporter who was allowed to listen to the tape. Even prior to the attack, Israeli military personnel are heard questioning whether the ship was American, at 1:53pm in the tape. In the Al Jazeera translation of the tape Israeli military personnel are heard saying in an intriguing exchange:

"Is it an American ship?" "What do you mean American?" "No comment."

As the torpedo hits 20 minutes after a ground controller acknowledges the ship is American, a voice is heard casually saying: "The torpedo is talking care of the ship now."

In the Jerusalem Post transcript of the tape, no mention is made of a torpedo hitting the ship, although a torpedo hole is clearly visible in the ship's damage. The official Israeli Defense Forces report on the attack acknowledges the launch of torpedoes 25 minutes after the fact that the ship is American is mentioned ("IDF History Report: The Attack on the 'Liberty' Incident.")

After the torpedo hits, torpedo boats circle, machine-gunning the ship with armor-piercing projectiles for another 40 minutes. At 3:15 p.m., as lifeboats are lowered into the water, the Israelis pull up at close range and proceed to machine-gun the lifeboats. This is a full hour after confirmation has been given that the ship is American.

Sexual innuendo is heard in describing the actions of the Israeli military as the Liberty crew fights fires and tends to the wounded. Thirty-four US sailors were killed. As the attack controllers mull using napalm one asks "Do we screw her?"

The Post and Al Jazeera tape are but a small part of the volumes of evidence that Israel knew what it was doing that has yet to be released. Steve Forslundan, who was an intelligence analyst for the 544th Air Reconnaissance Technical Wing at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, states that the real-time intelligence he was reading as the day progressed:

"made specific reference to the efforts to direct the jets to the target which was identified as American numerous times by the ground controller. Upon arrival, the aircraft specifically identified the target and mentioned the American flag she was flying. There were frequent operational transmissions from the pilots to the ground base describing the strafing runs. The ground control began asking about the status of the target and whether it was sinking. They stressed that the target must be sunk and leave no trace."

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Prior to the airing of "The Day Israel Attacked America," a long list of public figures, including those of highest US military rank, have backed the survivors' contention that the Israelis meant to sink the Liberty knowing full well that the ship was American. These include Secretary of State Dean Rusk, who held that office at the time of the incident, Director of the NSA Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, US Senator Adlai Stevenson, and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas Moorer. Moorer concluded in his own investigation: "In attacking the USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against U.S. servicemen and an act of war against the United States." ...READ THE FULL ARTICLE HERE http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/...l-knew-usaliberty-was-american/article/413296

 
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Still no mention of the USS Liberty's mission.

My hypothesis is that LBJ was double-dealing on SIGINT, and the Israelis sunk the ship to shut that channel down. Neither side wanted to admit the whole story because both were in the wrong, so both cooperated in covering it up. The USS Liberty was at the time a cutting-edge intelligence-gathering platform hanging out on the edge of a war zone.
 
Still no mention of the USS Liberty's mission.

My hypothesis is that LBJ was double-dealing on SIGINT, and the Israelis sunk the ship to shut that channel down. Neither side wanted to admit the whole story because both were in the wrong, so both cooperated in covering it up. The USS Liberty was at the time a cutting-edge intelligence-gathering platform hanging out on the edge of a war zone.

Liberty's mission was to keep track of what was going on in the Six Day War and protect America's interests.

They didn't sink the ship, which is why they had a problem. Israel's plan was no witnesses, blame Egypt, Americans incinerate Cairo. LBJ was probably onboard with the program. Sixth Fleet commander Admiral Lawrence Geis said they were having a live nuclear-armed drill that day, how convenient. Those sailors probably stopped WWIII.
 
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What possible reasoning do people offer for why Israel would attack our ship intentionally?

edit: james offered one as I was typing that.
 
My hypothesis offers a less extreme explanation. If a third party is giving SIGINT to the enemy, its signal collections become a valid military target. I don't think the type of ship that this was can be easily dismissed as a non-factor.
 
My hypothesis offers a less extreme explanation. If a third party is giving SIGINT to the enemy, its signal collections become a valid military target. I don't think the type of ship that this was can be easily dismissed as a non-factor.

No your hypothesis posits that LBJ had taken the Egyptian side and was giving them SIGINT during the Six Day War is about an extreme a hypothesis as you can imagine, with not a shred of evidence. On the other hand Israel had already shown its penchant for false flag attacks in the Lavon Affair, when they planted a bomb in the American embassy in order to blame Egypt. The backstabbing of allies in order to draw them into its wars is entirely in keeping with Israel's M.O.
 
No your hypothesis posits that LBJ had taken the Egyptian side and was giving them SIGINT during the Six Day War is about an extreme a hypothesis as you can imagine, with not a shred of evidence. On the other hand Israel had already shown its penchant for false flag attacks in the Lavon Affair, when they planted a bomb in the American embassy in order to blame Egypt. The backstabbing of allies in order to draw them into its wars is entirely in keeping with Israel's M.O.

Then what's the explanation for LBJ first ordering the ship to the location where it was attacked, then later being complicit in a cover-up?

If it was a straight-up false flag, and LBJ wasn't in on it, and he hadn't been caught playing both sides of the fence, why would the US silently accept the attack? The US actions have no good explanation, which tells me that there was more going on than we yet know.
 
No your hypothesis posits that LBJ had taken the Egyptian side and was giving them SIGINT during the Six Day War is about an extreme a hypothesis as you can imagine

By the way, the US taking both sides of a conflict is most definitely our M.O. Just look at the ISIS fiasco going on right now, bombing them while supplying them.

The most extreme thing in this conversation is your quasi-religious certainty that you know all the facts when it's clear that there are major unknown facts that are yet to be revealed.
 
Then what's the explanation for LBJ first ordering the ship to the location where it was attacked, then later being complicit in a cover-up?

If it was a straight-up false flag, and LBJ wasn't in on it, and he hadn't been caught playing both sides of the fence, why would the US silently accept the attack? The US actions have no good explanation, which tells me that there was more going on than we yet know.

Admiral Lawrence Geis, Sixth Fleet commander, said that two flights of American fighters launched from his ships were ordered recalled by LBJ (through SecDef Mcnamara). Read Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas Moorer's report. http://wais.stanford.edu/USA/US_USSLiberty(110503).html

So to this extent LBJ was in on it. Whether he was in on it from the start or as he understood he could now bomb Cairo we don't know. The fact that the Sixth Fleet was having a nuclear-armed drill that day, and planes were already armed with nuclear weapons, suggests LBJ was in on the program. He could care less about the murdered sailors.
 
Admiral Lawrence Geis, Sixth Fleet commander, said that two flights of American fighters launched from his ships were ordered recalled by LBJ (through SecDef Mcnamara). Read Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas Moorer's report. http://wais.stanford.edu/USA/US_USSLiberty(110503).html

So to this extent LBJ was in on it. Whether he was in on it from the start or as he understood he could now bomb Cairo we don't know. The fact that the Sixth Fleet was having a nuclear-armed drill that day, and planes were already armed with nuclear weapons, suggests LBJ was in on the program. He could care less about the murdered sailors.

Suddenly my hypothesis looks a lot less extreme, now doesn't it. Also this means any Israeli false flag plot must necessarily have been a U.S.-Israeli false flag plot, which raises the possibility that the origin of the plot was American rather than Israeli.
 
Suddenly my hypothesis looks a lot less extreme, now doesn't it. Also this means any Israeli false flag plot must necessarily have been a U.S.-Israeli false flag plot, which raises the possibility that the origin of the plot was American rather than Israeli.

That's possible. The only thing that is impossible, and the point of the post, is that Israel did not know the ship was American.
 
LOL more ad hominem. Guess I win. :cool:

Win what? You've already conceded your original point was, at the minimum, highly incomplete.

Why so little curiosity as to what LBJ's role was, when you have demonstrated it to be a vital part of understanding the incident? Did Israel attack the ship at LBJ's request?
 
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