Jersey beach smoking ban ridiculous

Honestly I feel like I've hit a brick wall on this issue. I've been arguing with people who think that people should be banned from smoking tobacco vaporizers on the street.

How do you argue with insane?
 
Honestly I feel like I've hit a brick wall on this issue. I've been arguing with people who think that people should be banned from smoking tobacco vaporizers on the street.

How do you argue with insane?

It's not a day in AmeriKa unless you are banning something.
 
In B4 Smoking Nazi Apologists...

... something about making anything illegal creates Black Markets?
 
The smoking beach black market?

Underkill, just the Black Market Beaches. Remember to target the Victims!

  • Shark attack? Ban boats, or just water.
  • Skateboad head injury? Ban concrete.
  • Back a car up over a kid? Blame Rear View Mirrors, not car owners.
  • Home Invasion? Ban locks on front doors and guns, let criminals go.
  • Raped? Blame the victim for dressing "slutty". (yes, some do dress slutty)
  • Soft Drinks have too much sugar? Blame the consumer, tax, and fine them.
  • Meat has too much fat? Again, blame the consumer, tax fast food.
  • Remove the "Do not remove" tag on a matress? Again, blame the consumer.


Always blame the Victim. Well, at least more indirectly than I did in those examples. Standard Policy of US Govt.
 
Underkill, just the Black Market Beaches. Remember to target the Victims!

  • Shark attack? Ban boats, or just water.
  • Skateboad head injury? Ban concrete.
  • Back a car up over a kid? Blame Rear View Mirrors, not car owners.
  • Home Invasion? Ban locks on front doors and guns, let criminals go.
  • Raped? Blame the victim for dressing "slutty". (yes, some do dress slutty)
  • Soft Drinks have too much sugar? Blame the consumer, tax, and fine them.
  • Meat has too much fat? Again, blame the consumer, tax fast food.
  • Remove the "Do not remove" tag on a matress? Again, blame the consumer.


Always blame the Victim. Well, at least more indirectly than I did in those examples. Standard Policy of US Govt.

Smokers stinking up my air in high traffic public places are the victims? lol
 
Smokers stinking up my air in high traffic public places are the victims? lol

What about people who hate curry, I guess we should ban public bbq's as well cuz you never know when some Indians will want to use one.

Maybe you shouldn't spend so much time in public spaces if what other people do bothers you so much.
 
What about people who hate curry, I guess we should ban public bbq's as well cuz you never know when some Indians will want to use one.

Maybe you shouldn't spend so much time in public spaces if what other people do bothers you so much.

I'm waiting for the bans on bacon, because the smell offends devout Jews and Muslims.
 
Smokers stinking up my air in high traffic public places are the victims? lol

They will be victims when arrested / fined for smoking. You already know the War on Drugs is a War on YOU. Give yourself two options, be "talked to" by Barney Feif, or SWAT? And why would any Cop ever talk to you even if you dont smoke? Remember that this is the USA, where we have Guilt By Accusation, not Association. All someone that holds a grudge against you for ANY reason has to do is call the cops on you for Smoking / Illegal Drugs / Child Neglect or whatever reason they decide to come up with. They just need to accuse you and no actual guilt needs to be had for them to wreck your entire life.
 
Smoke, Lies and the Nanny State.

http://heartland.org/sites/all/modules/custom/heartland_migration/files/pdfs/23216.pdf

For thousands of years in the Americas, and about 500 years pretty
much everywhere else, tobacco has been a friend to mankind. It has
been used to relax, to stimulate, and to treat various ailments. It has
been a vital part of rituals both social and spiritual. It has been used
as currency. Whole communities have been founded on it - including,
arguably, the United States of America.

Wait a minute. Scratch that! Smoking is a vile, filthy habit that
will almost inevitably kill you. No one smokes willingly; they are simply
pathetic addicts, duped by evil tobacco companies. Tobacco is a plague
which must be wiped out.

Like most people these days, I was more inclined, up until a few
years ago, to believe the second paragraph than the first. I was a very moderate smoker and
almost gave up. But something about the sheer hysteria of the antismoking movement, and the
various holes and contradictions in their arguments, made me suspicious. Some time in the late
1990s I arrived in Los Angeles and, as my taxi pulled out of the airport, I was confronted by a huge
red billboard: SECONDHAND SMOKE KILLS. I thought: even heavy smokers take several decades to
develop lung cancer. Surely a nonsmoker, even regularly exposed to smoke in the air, would have
to live to be about 300 to catch up? And how exactly would you know it was smoke that killed
them, as opposed to, say, the appalling LA smog?

The rest of this epic manifesto is at link...worth the read...
 
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Smoke, Lies and the Nanny State.

http://heartland.org/sites/all/modules/custom/heartland_migration/files/pdfs/23216.pdf

For thousands of years in the Americas, and about 500 years pretty
much everywhere else, tobacco has been a friend to mankind. It has
been used to relax, to stimulate, and to treat various ailments. It has
been a vital part of rituals both social and spiritual. It has been used
as currency. Whole communities have been founded on it - including,
arguably, the United States of America.

Wait a minute. Scratch that! Smoking is a vile, filthy habit that
will almost inevitably kill you. No one smokes willingly; they are simply
pathetic addicts, duped by evil tobacco companies. Tobacco is a plague
which must be wiped out.

Like most people these days, I was more inclined, up until a few
years ago, to believe the second paragraph than the first. I was a very moderate smoker and
almost gave up. But something about the sheer hysteria of the antismoking movement, and the
various holes and contradictions in their arguments, made me suspicious. Some time in the late
1990s I arrived in Los Angeles and, as my taxi pulled out of the airport, I was confronted by a huge
red billboard: SECONDHAND SMOKE KILLS. I thought: even heavy smokers take several decades to
develop lung cancer. Surely a nonsmoker, even regularly exposed to smoke in the air, would have
to live to be about 300 to catch up? And how exactly would you know it was smoke that killed
them, as opposed to, say, the appalling LA smog?

The rest of this epic manifesto is at link...worth the read...

If only it was "JUST" tobacco put into cigarettes people buy from cigarette companies.
 
@AF - Could it be that Tobacco, like Marijuana, is a plant that cant be patented and profitted from? (well, yet, anyway)

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As usual, this has NOTHING to do with Smoking. This has EVERYTHING to do on stepping on the necks of the Disobedient.
 
@AF - Could it be that Tobacco, like Marijuana, is a plant that cant be patented and profitted from? (well, yet, anyway)

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As usual, this has NOTHING to do with Smoking. This has EVERYTHING to do on stepping on the necks of the Disobedient.
Everyone is ignoring the fact that cigarettes contain MUCH more than just tobacco.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_additives_in_cigarettes

Not many people roll up their own tobacco, just buy cigarettes from companies that don't give two ****s about your health.


One significant issue is that while all these chemical compounds have been approved as additives to food, they were not tested by burning. Burning changes the properties of chemicals. More than 4,000 chemical compounds are created by burning a cigarette, 69 of which are carcinogenic. Toxic gases such as carbon monoxide, hydrogen cyanide, nitrogen oxides and ammonia are found in cigarette smoke.

A hydrogen cyanide concentration of 300 mg/m3 in air will kill a human within 10–60 minutes
http://www.cyanidecode.org/cyanide-facts/environmental-health-effects
 
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If only it was "JUST" tobacco put into cigarettes people buy from cigarette companies.

So there is a provision for allowing organic tobacco smokers then?

Hah.. Ya right.

The same establishment that put the additives and radiation into the tobacco is the same establishment trying to ban the tobacco from being consumed in public. The same establishment funding anti-organic pro-chemical food refinement talking points.
 
So there is a provision for allowing organic tobacco smokers then?

Hah.. Ya right.

The same establishment that put the additives and radiation into the tobacco is the same establishment trying to ban the tobacco from being consumed in public. The same establishment funding anti-organic pro-chemical food refinement talking points.
And yet people here are defending their cancer sticks (or dare I say kool-aid) that the establishment is selling them.
 
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