Jeff Deist: The Trouble with Progressives and Conservatives, etc.

[Occam's Banana]

Jeff Deist is quickly becoming my favorite libertarian commentator.

I have a hard time finding more than a few things to disagree with him about.

He conducts great interviews, too, but I especially like his monologues.

[See here for more of both: https://mises.org/library/mises-weekends]

Jeff Deist: Socialist Left, Alt-Right and the Myth of Democratic Consensus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAq1yYAfCiI

Socialist Left, Alt-Right and the Myth of Democratic Consensus (26 February 2016)

This weekend, Jeff recaps his recent talk in Houston entitled "Socialist Left vs. alt-Right: What it Means for Liberty" (https://youtu.be/NxkV-A5dBZc) - a talk which generated plenty of comments from libertarians, progressives, and the alt-Right. Jeff discusses why we should celebrate the death of supposed "democratic consensus," why the progressive left doesn't care about winning votes, how the alt-Right turns identity politics against social justice warriors, and what libertarians should learn from populism and even demagoguery.

Jeff Deist: Surviving Election Season
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IQdoH0BfW0

Surviving Election Season (20 May 2016)

Jeff Deist joins Joshua Bennett on the Patriot's Lament show and gives his thoughts on the 2016 election. Jeff discusses how the ultimate outcome of any election season is greater division among society, and argues that libertarians should focus on making the case for decentralizing power. Liberty will never come from the White House, but from winning over the hearts and minds of our friends and neighbors in our own communities.

Jeff Deist: The Trouble with Progressives
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvw6Nq-aosg

The Trouble with Progressives (03 June 2016)

Mises defined "liberalism" as rooted in property. Modern progressives and social justice warriors - mislabeled as "liberals" - attack property as an impediment to their program of radical egalitarianism. In their view, all human conduct must be viewed through the filters of identity politics, privilege, and undefinable concepts of social justice. Disagree with them and you'll find your campus building or political rally attacked by angry demonstrators who view dissent as hate.

Where does libertarianism fit into this equation? Should we adopt the premises, language, and goals of progressives, but argue for achieving them through capitalist means? Should we inform our worldview using utilitarianism? Should we side with SJWs in the culture wars? Or, should we make the case for a nonpolitical world, one grounded in Misesian private property and Rothbardian natural law ethics?

Jeff Deist makes the case that the real issues confronting us are war and peace, central banking, and state power - not inequality or racism or sexism. And, he argues against adopting leftist language used to advance the libertarian message.

For further reading, see Mises's 1927 classic 'Liberalism' (http://mises.org/Liberalism) and Jeff Deist's recent "Notes on the LP Convention" (http://mises.org/NotesLP).

Jeff Deist: The Trouble with Conservatives
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wrl9g8lXo0

The Trouble with Conservatives (10 June 2016)

Conservatives once stood for judicious use of government power and minding our own business in foreign affairs. Today, 100 years after the beginning of the progressive revolution, conservatives don't conserve anything. They vote for big-government schemes, favor globalism over real capitalism, and advocate an aggressive foreign policy that installs American troops around the globe. They've lost any claim to the mantle of "limited government," and lost every battle concerning abortion and social issues. Worst of all, Republicans have created a bloated jobs programs for themselves - Conservatism, Inc. - that shows nothing but contempt for its own voting base.

Is the GOP the next Whig party, consigned to history?

For further reading, see Murray Rothbard's 'The Betrayal of the American Right' (https://mises.org/Betrayal), Justin Raimondo's 'Reclaiming the American Right' (https://mises.org/Reclaiming), and "The Coming Conservative Dark Age" (https://mises.org/DarkAge) by Matthew Continetti. See also the Mises Institute's online archives of 'The American Mercury' (1936–1943) at http://mises.org/AmericanMercury.

 

[Suzanimal]

Me, too.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?496490-Jeff-Deist-The-Trouble-with-Conservatives

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?496190-Jeff-Deist-The-Trouble-with-Progressives

 

[Suzanimal]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ist-Surviving-Election-Season&highlight=deist

 

[LibertyEagle]

Except for the fact that Conservatives <> Neocons. Deist is describing neocons.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2003/07/ron-paul/weve-been-neoconned/

 

[Occam's Banana]

Me, too.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?496490-Jeff-Deist-The-Trouble-with-Conservatives

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?496190-Jeff-Deist-The-Trouble-with-Progressives

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ist-Surviving-Election-Season&highlight=deist

Well ... you didn't already post the interview he did with Patriot's Lament!

It was only mentioned in something else you quoted ...

Just giving this a bumpski.

Mises Institute President Jeff Deist: “We Have to Decentralize”

Last week, Mises Institute President Jeff Deist released a podcast featuring a discussion about the political future of libertarianism, advising libertarian activists to embrace decentralization and de-federalization as a foundational strategic goal.

“The only way we can get along is to de-yoke from Washington,” Deist said on the Patriots Lament radio show. “We have to ratchet back the federalization of everything, and we have to decentralize political, economic and social power away from Washington.”

The Mises Institute is a free market think-tank devoted to promoting the works of Austrian economics and libertarian political theory. Although he heads up a strictly anti-political organization, Deist endorses using the principles of decentralization as the means for reducing state control.

“Our task as libertarians is to make the case for unyoking and decentralization,” Deist said. “It may be a tough sell to say get rid of the government in its entirety… An easier sell is de-yoking and decentralizing to de-escalate all this hatred and nastiness. That is how I see it.”

http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.co...president-jeff-deist-we-have-to-decentralize/

So there! Ha ha! Beat you to it! :o

Seriously, though ...

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Suzanimal again.

Jeff Deist kicks ass. He's absolutely right about the importance of decentralization. That should be one of the centerpieces of the liberty movement. Hell, it should be THE centerpiece - as foreground context or background subtext for everything else (especially along the "fault lines" of abortion, immigration, etc.) All the nasty, bitter divisiveness over things like alt-rightists vs. SJWs, Trump vs. Clinton, police vs. BLM, "open" vs. "closed" borders, etc., etc., ad infinitum et nauseam could be very fertile ground for localist anti-federalism - and thence, with good fortune, to secessionism. (I just hope too many people have not yet succumbed to the idée fixe of the supposed necessity of their preferred boss being the boss of a third of a billion other people because ... well ... just because ...)

Deist also has some interesting advice to the Libertarian Party. Here's a video of a speech he gave to the Libertarian Party of Texas back in April. The acoustics aren't very good, but it's worth putting up with if you're interested in the subject:

Libertarian Political Strategy Reconsidered | Jeff Deist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoARZXKisBE

 

[Suzanimal]

Deist also has some interesting advice to the Libertarian Party. Here's a video of a speech he gave to the Libertarian Party of Texas back in April. The acoustics aren't very good, but it's worth putting up with if you're interested in the subject:

Libertarian Political Strategy Reconsidered | Jeff Deist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoARZXKisBE

IMO, you really need both educator candidates (preferably someone who is charismatic) AND the desire to win. I really liked Tom Woodsss advice to the LP. Also bad audio. I get that the R&D's don't do it that way but, like Deist pointed out, if you're gonna run as the party of principle...ya gotta put up principled candidates.

 

[Suzanimal]

Listen at link...

Jeff Deist: Libertarian Strategy

20 HOURS AGO Jeff Deist

Jeff Deist discusses libertarian strategy with Adam Camac and Daniel Laguros of the Wake Up Call podcast. How can libertarians achieve a freer society, given the depressing state of politics, in both America and abroad? Jeff shares his thoughts on Liberland, the Free State Project, and how modern technology has become “the great leveler” in the battle of ideas.

https://mises.org/library/jeff-deist-libertarian-strategy

Or here and you can look at that cute pic of Deist while you're listening.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-7jaQ01c1c


100% agree with what he said at the 37:52 mark in the podcast - not sure if it's the same in the video. And the 40:02 mark...