January 21st 1793 - The Murder of King Louis XVI

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With the 223rd anniversary having just passed, this seemed apropos.

I'm a proponent of absolute monarchy, as the form of government most conducive to a free society, and so I'm naturally sympathetic to Louis, but this should be of interest to anyone - monarchist or otherwise - who wishes to understand the true nature of the French Revolution, as opposed to the panegyrics of leftist historians, which is all that's ever taught in schools or presented in popular culture. What follows is an excerpt from Nesta Webster's "The French Revolution: A Study in Democracy," concerning the "trial" and subsequent murder of the King. Reading the entire book is well worth your time (see my sig for a link to a free PDF version).

EDIT: I just realized how flawed the text is that I posted (copied/pasted from the PDF, didn't transcribe well).

Better to read the PDF directly (here), the relevant section ("The Death of the King") being on pp. 362-378.
 
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Absolute Monarchy is too unpredictable. A great King can have an idiot son succeed him.

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Might help you to understand his position by reading Democracy: The God That Failed by Hoppe.

Note: I'm not a monarchist, but I do recommend reading it.

http://www.riosmauricio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Hoppe_Democracy_The_God_That_Failed.pdf

Yes, I'm actually not a big fan of Hoppe for various reasons, but it's worth reading.

Applying basic economics to the problem will lead you to the correct conclusions: always.

Economics is the most important political science; once you understand it, everything else becomes clear.

Make use of the links in my sig, people, if you aren't quite sure if you understand economics.

Special bonus: The Emergence of Communism (Rothbard)
 
Nesta webster, oh no, I've been linked to her by you guys before I recall. I'm reading War and Peace. It skips King Louis. Napoleon saved the french people from anarchy, but he didn't hand power back to the Bourbons. I guess he didn't trust the monarchy, because it had failed.
 
Nesta webster, oh no, I've been linked to her by you guys before I recall.

So what's the problem?

She has a reputation as an anti-Semite, which she was; but that was mostly in her later works.

You won't find a single reference to a Jew in the work I cited.

She's a very fine historian.

Bottom line, read the book, think for yourself.

I'm reading War and Peace. It skips King Louis. Napoleon saved the french people from anarchy, but he didn't hand power back to the Bourbons. I guess he didn't trust the monarchy, because it had failed.

Yes.

Bourbons are betters, but one must have some respect for Napoleon for ending the radical, murderous, communist phase of the revolution.

Better Emperor Napoleon than Citizen Robespierre.
 
Might help you to understand his position by reading Democracy: The God That Failed by Hoppe.

Note: I'm not a monarchist, but I do recommend reading it.
awesome, thanks for the tip, im actually pretty excited to read it, i havent been exposed to pro monarchy arguements before other than maybe hobbes and lafeyette
 
...we'll start Socratic dialogue style:

Q. Why are the commons poorly managed in comparison to private property?

A. The commons, being scarce yet commonly owned, is subject to abuse to the detriment of the public based because of the rational self interest of individuals acting for personal benefit in the short term...yet in the long term, the commons is either injured or destroyed, leading to the long term detriment of all.

In short, no individual incentive to properly manage the commons in contrast with private property, where any abuses to your property directly and only effect yourself.
 
awesome, thanks for the tip, im actually pretty excited to read it, i havent been exposed to pro monarchy arguements before other than maybe hobbes and lafeyette

Not trying to derail your conversation. Just to clarify, Hoppe isn't a monarchist as far as I know. He demonstrates that monarchy is comparatively more economical than democracy.
 
A. The commons, being scarce yet commonly owned, is subject to abuse to the detriment of the public based because of the rational self interest of individuals acting for personal benefit in the short term...yet in the long term, the commons is either injured or destroyed, leading to the long term detriment of all.

In short, no individual incentive to properly manage the commons in contrast with private property, where any abuses to your property directly and only effect yourself.

That's right.

A private property owner suffers all of the costs of his bad management, and reaps all of the rewards of his good management.

While a co-owner of joint property suffers only part of the costs of his bad management, and reaps only part of the rewards of his good management.

...so the former's incentives for good management are much better.

Think of property as an enterprise, or firm: with profits and losses.

For a sole proprietor, the firm's profits/losses are his profits/losses - he profits if, only if, and to the extent that the firm profits.

For a co-owner of joint property, he may profit even if the firm is making losses, because his share of the revenues may be larger than his share of the costs.

For instance, if a new policy would cost $1000 and yield $500 in additional revenues, no sole proprietor would consider it.

But a co-owner might consider it, if he can capture more than his share of the revenues, and bear less than his share of the costs.

Thus a rationally self-interested sole proprietor would never pursue policies which would undermine the profitability of the firm; while a co-owner might.

What does this have to do with politics?

The state is a firm, with revenues and costs: profits and losses.

A monarchy is a sole proprietorship; a democracy is a form of joint property.

No rationally self-interested king would ever pursue policies which would undermine the profitability of the state; a democratic politician might.

What do we, as libertarians, care about the profitability of the state?

The profitability of the state depends on the prosperity of the society which it rules.

Rich society, rich state; poor society, poor state.

...if you could take a 10% cut of the GDP of a country, would you rather it be North Korea or South Korea?

A king's profits/losses are the profits/losses of the state, and the more prosperous the underlying society, the more profitable the state. Thus a rationally self-interested king is incentivized to maximize the prosperity of the society which he rules. And, as students of economics, we know that there is only one method of maximizing societal wealth: laissez faire capitalism. So, a rationally self-interested king, who understands economics, will pursue laissez faire capitalism.

A democratic politician's interests are not so neatly aligned with those of society. He is paid a fixed salary,* not a share of the state's revenues. If society becomes more prosperous, and so the state's revenues increase, he does not benefit; or if society becomes less prosperous, and so the state's revenues decline, he's not harmed. His only interest is being re-elected, to maintain his salary, and soliciting bribes, to augment it; in pursuit of both of which he will rationally enact new socialistic policies (to please the voters or the donors), which will impoverish society, but benefit him personally.

*It wouldn't solve the problem to make politicians' salaries proportional to the state's revenues (ala profit sharing at a big corporation). For instance, suppose a politician is considering whether to pass some socialistic law that would harm the economy and therefore reduce state revenues by 1%; and so his salary, pegged to state revenues, would drops by 1%. Well, this is still a rational course of action for him if the bribe he extracts from the beneficiary of the socialistic policy is greater than 1% of his former salary, right? In other words, the essential problem is the division of ownership: the fact that a 1% owner reaps only 1% of the benefits of his good management, and suffers only 1% of the costs of his bad management. The only system which aligns the incentives of the ruler with those of the state as a whole, and therefore with those of society as a whole, is monarchy.
 
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