Jack Hunter: RON PAUL IS BECOMING SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN PRESIDENT

Even if the GOP nomination proves not to be winnable, fighting for it, with Ron nominated into contention in Tampa is worth a whole lot more than Rand turning a lot of people against him by endorsing before convention. THAT is worth NOTHING.

And like i've been saying for months now NONE of you people consider that maybe Ron doesn't want to win the nomination in way that will be PERCIEVED as us stealing it and then get elected into a position with a totally gridlocked congress.

I'm sure Ron knows the delegates aren't technically bound, if we know, he knows, still he admitted on Tuesday he can't win, Rand all but admitted it, Hunter admitted it, they're all admitting it and trying to let you down easy. The fact is our only hope is a route that Ron seemingly doesn't want to take.

You guys got it in your head that will do it whether he wants us to or not and he'll just be fine with that, maybe he won't be, maybe he's smart enough to see the big picture...
 
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You give no evidence for why what you are making up out of whole cloth should be any more persuasive than what we are making up out of whole cloth. :p
 
And like i've been saying for months now NONE of you people consider that maybe Ron doesn't want to win the nomination in way that will be PERCIEVED as us stealing it and then get elected into a position with a totally gridlocked congress.

I'm sure Ron knows the delegates aren't technically bound, if we know, he knows, still he admitted on Tuesday he can't win, Rand all but admitted it, Hunter admitted it, they're all admitting it and trying to let you down easy. The fact is our only hope is a route that Ron seemingly doesn't want to take.

You guys get it in your head that will do it whether he wants us to or not and he'll just be fine with that, maybe he won't be, maybe he's smart enough to see the big picture...

Wow, can't we remember things for just a few months. No wonder the general population forgets how bad it was under Bush and that he pushed the first bailout.

Ron Paul has said he would use the Delegate Strategy, remember? What do you think that is.
 
Wow, can't we remember things for just a few months. No wonder the general population forgets how bad it was under Bush and that he pushed the first bailout.

Ron Paul has said he would use the Delegate Strategy, remember? What do you think that is.

The delegate strategy has worked exactly the way he expected it to.

We're going to walk in with the 2nd most delegates and even when Romney gets the nomination all the stealth delegates we'll have in his camp will be able to influence EVERYTHING that is being voted on afterwards.

The delegate strategy was always about influence, that's what you guys won't accept...
 
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You give no evidence for why what you are making up out of whole cloth should be any more persuasive than what we are making up out of whole cloth. :p

Because my cloth is made up of facts, yours is made up of dreams.

Like I said, if we know the delegates are unbound, Ron knows they're unbound.

Meaning he either doesn't want to win the nomination in such a sneaky fashion that will be perceived as stealing (because most of the country still thinks we live in a democracy, not a republic) or he knows that the division between our side and there's will be perceived as us being the trouble makers and we'll risk the future of the movement within the party- a place he clearly wants it kept or he would have run third party or told Rand to not support Romney.

You guys simply won't look past 2012 and see the big picture...
 
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Wow, can't we remember things for just a few months. No wonder the general population forgets how bad it was under Bush and that he pushed the first bailout.

Ron Paul has said he would use the Delegate Strategy, remember? What do you think that is.

The delegate strategy was not only about getting Ron to be the nominee (though it was a possibility it could).
We've got a lot of delegates, but it doesn't look like we have enough to win.
 
Because my cloth is made up of facts, yours is made up of dreams.

Like I said, if we know the delegates are unbound, Ron knows they're unbound.

Meaning he either doesn't want to win the nomination in such a sneaky fashion that will be perceived as stealing (because most of the country still thinks we live in a democracy, not a republic) or he knows that the division between our side and there's will be perceived as us being the trouble makers and we'll risk the future of the movement within the party- a place he clearly wants it kept or he would have run third party or told Rand to not support Romney.

You guys simply won't lost past 2012 and see the big picture...

or maybe 'sneaky fashion' has nothing to do with how he views it.
 
Because my cloth is made up of facts, yours is made up of dreams.

Like I said, if we know the delegates are unbound, Ron knows they're unbound.

Meaning he either doesn't want to win the nomination in such a sneaky fashion that will be perceived as stealing (because most of the country still thinks we live in a democracy, not a republic) or he knows that the division between our side and there's will be perceived as us being the trouble makers and we'll risk the future of the movement within the party- a place he clearly wants it kept or he would have run third party or told Rand to not support Romney.

You guys simply won't look past 2012 and see the big picture...



That's the thing, I AM looking past 2012, and I don't see the current economic system surviving to 2016. The monetary system will collapse by then, it's already on the doorstep. Or the internet will be locked down. Either way this year was the last legitimate chance to stop things. 4 Years is going to be too late.
 
And like i've been saying for months now NONE of you people consider that maybe Ron doesn't want to win the nomination in way that will be PERCIEVED as us stealing it and then get elected into a position with a totally gridlocked congress.

I'm sure Ron knows the delegates aren't technically bound, if we know, he knows, still he admitted on Tuesday he can't win, Rand all but admitted it, Hunter admitted it, they're all admitting it and trying to let you down easy. The fact is our only hope is a route that Ron seemingly doesn't want to take.

You guys got it in your head that will do it whether he wants us to or not and he'll just be fine with that, maybe he won't be, maybe he's smart enough to see the big picture...
Good post. Exactly my take on things.
 
I believe that Rands endorsment is orchestrated for our benifit, and he is counting on us NOT to vote for Romney.

Hear me out.

I believe that Rand is expecting to be the VP, and is also expecting Mitt to lose. He wants to be the VP in order to gaint the popularity and influence the prevous Repub had (Palin), but that can only happen if Romney losses (just like McCain).
 
Good post. Exactly my take on things.

Concur. I'm a fighter inside, I love to give it to 'em, but there is a time to fight head on and a time to strategically duck.

No one knows what the outcome would be if Ron Paul had enough delegates to be nominated and won from the floor of the National Convention having garnered 10-20% of the popular vote in various states. Paul said it himself at the TX convention that the last time either party had a convention to actually pick a nominee by the delegates was in 1976. He also said that we are the tireless irate minority and that it is the job of the minority to sell their ideas to the majority.

The only reason the revolution went so well and left us with such a great starting point for liberty was because of the various leaders. From my study of history, the last thing anyone should want is actual societal/revolutionary upheaval. Once that dam is broken it is anyone's guess as to the ultimate outcome of the revolution. Shoot, the colonists at first (the battles of Lexington and Concord in 1775) actually thought they could resolve things and make amends with England, the huge debates in 1776 highlight that fact. They just wanted the King to listen to their grievances, they didn't intend to actually declare independence until they realized it was too late to reconcile.

So what would happen if Paul won the nomination with 10-20% of the popular vote?? Who knows but unfortunately the probabilities don't lead to anything good.

However what does it mean that we will have 20% of the delegates and have won leadership positions in so many states, everything good. People always get the government they deserve. You cannot force liberty upon a country, it has to be earned. Take over the GOP, have liberty minded people in positions of power within the GOP with principle, and present an actual real choice vs. statism.

Influence the debate, change the conversation, change the direction and ultimately have good leaders of principle in place so that when it all goes down we can survive the fall. The Liberty movement has to be seen as the solution to the problems and not the instigator of problems.
 
There are only 2 options really. Rand is officially a sellout OR Rand is a liberty mole. Time will tell but IMO there's just no way Rand sells out on the principles he's been raised on his entire life.

My Verdict: Liberty Mole
 
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potus mitt done wants eight solid years
the gop veep gettin' a likewise great 8
has 1600 penn ave 100% gop 4 16 yrs
 
Ron Paul is Becoming Something More Important than President (Rand Related Too)

Great video by the Southern Avenger about what is going on with Ron Paul, Rand Paul, and the Liberty Movement. Saw it on the post JFKIII had in the general section, but I think everyone should watch it. Please do!

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Video by Jack Hunter - Definitely not nearly enough hysterics and conspiracy for me. ;)
 
The video definitely explained a lot. I thought Ron was going to endorse Mittens too. I still think that there is a deal of sorts made in terms of at least a Fed Audit and Internet freedom. I think Ron is going to end up not endorsing anyone now. We all need to understand the difference between principle and methodology. Rand has not compromised his principle, just has a different methodology. We need to keep on taking over the GOP at the grassroots level. That is the plan.
 
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