J.C. Watts "struggling" whether to support Trump

[nikcers]

Watts, who endorsed U.S. Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky in his presidential bid -

"Every Republican is going to have to wear Donald Trump buttons,"

I'm concerned about the down line," he said, referring to other Republicans on the ballot (Is he trying not to advocating voting against the Republican party because of Rand?

Watts said he is concerned about what Trump says about people, policies and issues.

"When I hear a presidential candidate say, 'Punch him in the mouth, I'll pay the bills,' it concerns me deeply, not as a Republican but as an American,"

This guy was a surrogate for the Rand campaign and now he is advocating for unity for the republican party and basically saying that he doesn't support the nominee. The article tries to insinuate he might be going for a seat. I think he is taking a stand against Trump, without advocating voting democrat.

 

[nikcers]

Rand Paul's 2016 youtube channel released a new video on endorsing Trump

 

[euphemia]

I am not drinking the Kool-Aide. I think there is a big difference in what Trump says and how he says it. He has a problem being concise. He is improving. If the listener can strip away the embellishment and just listen to the main point, then that's what he is saying. He has said a lot of stuff we like, and I think he is more in line with us than he is with the RNC and the elites. Of course we wince at how he says things. He needs to dial it back a bit and stick to the message.

This is the time to show up and take over the Republican party. Current leaders have shown themselves to be utter failures. We might not love this opportunity to pieces, but it's a good opportunity.

As we say here in the South, ya gotta dance with the one that brung ya. They have to listen to the voters.

 

[nikcers]

I am not drinking the Kool-Aid. He has a problem being concise. He is improving. If the listener can strip away the embellishment and just listen to the main point, then that's what he is saying. He has said a lot of stuff we like,

He says a lot of stuff that liberty people don't like when he is reading from a teleprompter, and when asked to clarify it he doesn't back down. He is being vague to make people give him the benefit of the doubt when he hasn't earned it. You are drinking the cool aid, but not the Ron Paul cool aid, you are drinking Irving Crystal's cool aid, he is going to re-make the republican party again and the policies won't change so it will still be in his image.

 

[CPUd]

I am not drinking the Kool-Aid. I think there is a big difference in what Trump says and how he says it. He has a problem being concise. He is improving. If the listener can strip away the embellishment and just listen to the main point, then that's what he is saying. He has said a lot of stuff we like, and I think he is more in line with us than he is with the RNC and the elites. Of course we wince at how he says things. He needs to dial it back a bit and stick to the message.

This is the time to show up and take over the Republican party. Current leaders have shown themselves to be utter failures. We might not love this opportunity to pieces, but it's a good opportunity.

As we say here in the South, ya gotta dance with the one that brung ya. They have to listen to the voters.

Trump can't be taken at his word on anything he says, he changes literally multiple times a day. He has about as much credibility as if a 5 year old said they want to be President. He is still a danger to liberty though, because on the off chance he tricks enough people into voting for him that he gets elected, all these "neocon globalist" that people here are so keen to rail against, they will be the ones actually running the executive branch, because that is who he is starting to surround himself with.

 

[nikcers]

Trump can't be taken at his word on anything he says, he changes literally multiple times a day. He has about as much credibility as if a 5 year old said they want to be President. He is still a danger to liberty though, because on the off chance he tricks enough people into voting for him that he gets elected, all these "neocon globalist" that people here are so keen to rail against, they will be the ones actually running the executive branch, because that is who he is starting to surround himself with.

He is political poison, any conservative that falls for this "anti establishment" scam will be left with a bad taste in their mouth and will become apathetic and lose interest in politics. It has everything to do with the fact that a large segment of our electorate might change political parties. Lots of people changed parties over Bush, Trump will be even worse.

 

[Origanalist]

Well J.C., I'm not struggling with it at all. Third party baby, all the way.

 

[euphemia]

You all can keep this up, but clearly your way is not working. It might be time to try something different. Ron's idea to take over from within did not work. Maybe we take over from the outside.

 

[CPUd]

He is political poison, any conservative that falls for this "anti establishment" scam will be left with a bad taste in their mouth and will become apathetic and lose interest in politics. It has everything to do with the fact that a large segment of our electorate might change political parties. Lots of people changed parties over Bush, Trump will be even worse.

Exactly. Then see who the GOP find to run in 2020.

 

[Gumba of Liberty]

He is political poison, any conservative that falls for this "anti establishment" scam will be left with a bad taste in their mouth and will become apathetic and lose interest in politics. It has everything to do with the fact that a large segment of our electorate might change political parties. Lots of people changed parties over Bush, Trump will be even worse.

I've been a Ron Paul Supporter since 2007 and this tastes awesome. Even if this is all talk, it's the right talk. Remember, ideas are more powerful than any army or any government. (I wonder who said that?)

 

[euphemia]

Watts can struggle all he wants to, but he might want to remember there is a whole class of people who are dependent on government because of people like Hillary Clinton. If he's not going to support the presumptive nominee of his party, then he needs to go explain to all the government dependent that they are never going to have anything because he's not willing to go in a different direction.

This nonsense is just as much his fault as anyone else's. It's like someone kept 2016 a big secret from him and the RNC.

 

[nikcers]

Watts can struggle all he wants to, but he might want to remember there is a whole class of people who are dependent on government because of people like Hillary Clinton. If he's not going to support the presumptive nominee of his party, then he needs to go explain to all the government dependent that they are never going to have anything because he's not willing to go in a different direction.

This nonsense is just as much his fault as anyone else's. It's like someone kept 2016 a big secret from him and the RNC.

No its about being brave and standing up against the establishment.

 

[CaptUSA]

I am not drinking the Kool-Aide. I think there is a big difference in what Trump says and how he says it. He has a problem being concise. He is improving. If the listener can strip away the embellishment and just listen to the main point, then that's what he is saying. He has said a lot of stuff we like, and I think he is more in line with us than he is with the RNC and the elites. Of course we wince at how he says things. He needs to dial it back a bit and stick to the message.

Ah yes, the ole "believe what you want to believe; not what evidence shows you" schtick. Listen, if you are really buying this premise, it's because he's playing on your fantasies. Obama did this and so is Trump. Once you have bought into it, you will dismiss anything he says because you'll convince yourself, "what he really meant was... But he was trying to..." All of those mental gymnastics should be a clue to you that you are falling for a con. Playing the mark perfectly.

Watts can struggle all he wants to, but he might want to remember there is a whole class of people who are dependent on government because of people like Hillary Clinton. If he's not going to support the presumptive nominee of his party, then he needs to go explain to all the government dependent that they are never going to have anything because he's not willing to go in a different direction.

Um, do you mean people like Trump who have lined her pockets in return for political favors? Is that the class of people to which you are referring?


I think it's a pretty smart idea to keep his powder dry in this case. Even Rand was smart to only say, "I've always said I'll support the nominee" and not endorse by name.
When this thing comes tumbling down, there's going to be a reckoning. And those who jumped on the political bandwagon out of expediency are going to have to explain why they weren't smart enough to spot it.

 

[SilentBull]

Ah yes, the ole "believe what you want to believe; not what evidence shows you" schtick. Listen, if you are really buying this premise, it's because he's playing on your fantasies. Obama did this and so is Trump. Once you have bought into it, you will dismiss anything he says because you'll convince yourself, "what he really meant was... But he was trying to..." All of those mental gymnastics should be a clue to you that you are falling for a con. Playing the mark perfectly.

This is exactly what's going on. Trump is the Obama of the right. He provides just enough so that people can imagine whatever they want, even against all the evidence to the contrary.

 

[juleswin]

This is another man that doesn't understand political incorrectness. Listen to the main points he makes and stop listening when you hear something you slightly disagree with and if he happens to flip flops on said political issues, just wait long enough cos he would flip back to it. And when he tries to be vague and wishy washy, just insert whatever idea you imagine him to have and remember the best policy is always the only one that apply. This way Trump becomes the near perfect candidate to ever run for political office. My days of holding to my worthless soul and holding out my vote is over, from today onward, I will sell it for whatever benefit I can get even if the benefit is worth less that 1c.

I know my evolution from being an ardent anti Trumper to rabid pro Trumps seems like it happened overnight but trust me, I have really switched over to Trump and I will cbe voting for him come November if I actually don't flip flop on that decision.

 

[acptulsa]

Is it my imagination...



...or is the age-old mantra designed to maintain the status quo starting to get a desperate edge to it?

They had to engineer this telenovella of an election so hard--set up a Republican designed to lose so Clinton can win, in spite of herself, set up a socialist to make her look middle of the road, pit seventeen candidates against the guaranteed loser to split up the votes of reasonable Republicans, so only five percent of the population is needed to nominate the Guaranteed Loser--that a whole lot of people are thinking of jumping off the Two Party Merry-Go-Round. So, how do we make the Go Ahead Throw Your Vote Away Bwahahahaha schtick stick? They're trying everything. If you don't vote third party now while the iron is hot, this candidate will clear the way for even greater third party success in the future! Really? Before or after he suspends elections for the emergency?

It's amazing the lengths they're going to. Someone seems to be scared.

 

[Ender]

You all can keep this up, but clearly your way is not working. It might be time to try something different. Ron's idea to take over from within did not work. Maybe we take over from the outside.

Yes.

That means No Trump- who is definitely an insider.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Lose the drama and forget the "struggle".

It really doesn't matter one way or another.

 

[RonPaulMall]

J.C Watts is and always has been nothing more than a neocon, establishment shill. The only thing he is really "concerned" about is keeping his Goldman Sachs and AIPAC checks flowing to his consulting firm.

http://www.wattsconsultinggroup.com/aboutus/achievements.html

 

[Kade]

Enlighten me. Are Trump supporters believers that what he says is merely convenient politicking? That perhaps he is a pretender, a person who despite decades of evidence to the contrary really stands for the values of liberty-minded voters? That She-who-must-not-be-named, Mrs. Establishment is a worse option and that he is really a government minimalist.

You folks are being conned, and I know it doesn't sit well with you, but all this noise you make about liberty is for naught the moment you allow this fascist to take reigns. He is an authoritarian, and nothing you can say can soften that reality or change it. Everything you feared about the "others" in your keyboard activism is now real...

It is not hyperbole. It is not some prophetic declaration. We are in the beginnings of a real crisis, a authoritarian thread woven in the fabric of the electorate.

The Redhats are marching.