I've realized why Rand is treading water

He should go for corruption in senate,publicly state than Boehner,McConnell and all who buy politicians ( Trump ) will face charges for corruption and breaking the constitution.That and saying that wars would be fought to win not to nation build should get him in top tier.Of course that would mean to burn all bridges with the establishment.

Issues won't get him anywhere.Promise the people someones blood.
 
William R said:
He's flipped flopped on too many issues. And Trump's signature issue the invasion from south of the border and Rand threw that out the window when he decided to be a Chamber of Commerce Republican
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Uh huh, so tell me, what is Trump's immigration policy, and how does it differ from Rand's?

A $20.16 donation to Rand's campaign says you have no idea.
 
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LibertyEagle said:
Was Rand invited to the Faith and Freedom conference in Iowa? Just wondering, because he wasn't there.

Also, was he invited to the deal at Red State?
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Considering Erickson snubbed Carson and Trump it really does not matter.
 
I'm having trouble avoiding the conclusion that cozying up to the establishment was a major strategic error.
 
I agree, Rand is too canned and perhaps some people can see through it.

Doesn't mean Rand is wrong in what he's doing, its just not connecting enough when there are "others" doing a better job at connecting (albeit to the lowest levels of the American electorate). It also doesn't mean Rand needs to reach out to those low information voters that love Trump because most of those people won't even bother to show up to vote.

Its like having a quality show on TV and you're show is being outwatched by the WWE and reality shows.

The first few states are purely GOTV, thats what it all comes down to. The polls really are useless right now, even if Rand is at the top, they're still useless. What matters is the buildup to Iowa and what happens in Iowa and NH.
 
Rand doesn't have a large zealous base because many remember him stopping grass roots efforts for the GOP convention in 2012.
 
The issue is not the positions, but the framework. Rand was making headway and getting regular coverage with the "news bombs" he was dropping two months ago, until Trump got in and became THE news bomb. Now the Donald is viewed as the trouble maker, the anti-establishment alternative. etc. What Rand should do is, while trying to stay true to himself, position himself as the articulate version of Trump, adopt the same frameworks as Trump (alarmed over illegal immigration, anti-PC, gadfly challenging the GOP leadership etc), while rebuking both Trump's manners and his critics' attacks on him. If Trump fails or pulls out, Rand can be there to get his supporters, because he triangulated beforehand.
 
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RonPaulMall said:
The average voter has no idea how close Rand and Mitch are in the Senate. That isn't the problem. Problem is the message. Personally, I think it is too late. But what Rand should do is study Dave Brat's campaign and attempt to replicate it at the national level.
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He just needs to cut the cutesy horseshit. Sound like a more polished version of his old man with some of the rhetoric toned down on hot button issues like foreign policy and drugs.
 
William R said:
He's flipped flopped on too many issues. And Trump's signature issue the invasion from south of the border and Rand threw that out the window when he decided to be a Chamber of Commerce Republican

So many chances. So much potential. Very disappointing.
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Agreed. Rand is viewed among many people (libertarians included) as being too mushy. He's not the firebrand his father was.
 
Mr.NoSmile said:
And we all remember far his father got when he ran for President.
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He is not the firebrand that he himself was when he won a US Senate Seat either. And say what you want about Ron, at no point in his campaign was he ever doing this poorly.
 
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