I've noticed all the neo-cons are ex-leftists

[Molly1]

The Neo-Cons and the commies share one thing in common, which is their undoing. They are government millenialists. All that is necessary for heaven on earth is the right government using the right force to bring it about.

The Neo-Cons you mentioned were disillusioned by the failure of communism, but not by the redemptive power of government, so they just switched to the horse that was winning and sought to use it to further their ends.

The beltway libertarians are similarly utopian in thinking that people can be forced to like people that are different from them, or people who do things which they view as socially destructive. As a libertarian I don't want the state to regulate the vice of shooting up heroin. However, as a person I am absolutely not obligated to give the heroin junkie any approval, and I can refuse to hire him or associate with him if it is my desire.

Acceptance comes within the framework of secure property rights and VOLUNTARY associations. Voluntary associations also go a long way towards reducing prejudice.

I disagree about the motive behind the neo-cons. They are destroyers, iconoclasts, anarchists (out of chaos 'their' order), who specialize in destroying governments and countries in an aggressive desire for enhancement of their own power and control.

Take a look at the Russian revolution, for instance-- 60,000,000 Russians were murdered and many more incarcerated.

They are extremely dangerous, in my opinion. Their programs turn into Hell on earth, and are designed that way.

 

[Molly1]

Trotskyism is the theory of Marxism as advocated by Leon Trotsky. Trotsky considered himself an orthodox Marxist and Bolshevik-Leninist, arguing for the establishment of a vanguard party. His politics differed sharply from those of Stalinism, most importantly in declaring the need for an international proletarian revolution (rather than socialism in one country) and unwavering support for a true dictatorship of the proletariat based on democratic principles. Numerous groups around the world continue to describe themselves as Trotskyist, although they have diverse interpretations of Trotsky's writings.

"an international proletarian revolution"

Sounds like one world government to me.

This garbage is enough to make your head spin.

Wake up, America, our Founders gave us the most beautiful government on the face of the earth--a Constitutional Republic!

If you don't love and appreciate it while it's here, you will miss it when it's gone.

 

[Molly1]

the neo cons are not a party these marxist by any other name clearly hold the power in in non elected and appointed positions, they undeniabally exercise power over both parties.

I agree, and Ron Paul is trying to kick them out of the Republican party.

 

[AmericaFyeah92]

neoconservatism seems to be a blend of
-the religious right
-zionism
-wilsonianism/globalism
-an obsession w "national security"

 

[ThreeFireflies]

Oh boy! Armageddon.

The George Bush Administration was supposed to recreate the right wing satirically by drawing on the hypocrisy of people who'd been claiming to belong to the right wing yet hadn't practiced any of its ethics regarding human rights. Those sham right wing extremists were fascists, and the goals of fascists have long been the same as the goals of the people behind the radical left. To claim otherwise would be absurd. Hitler supposedly belonged to the right wing while Stalin belonged to the left, yet they believed in exactly the same thing: organized crime. So what do you think the radical left was told about Bush to insure their compliance (the compliance demonstrated by the media, for instance)? That he was "really" on their side. Their side would win by setting the right up for a fall - and it was always implied for the benefit of dubious humanists that the right consisted solely of special interests whose wealth wasn't fair. The current question is, how far will they go to set up the right? Will we need another Hitler (or Hitler impersonator) in the person of McCain? The left wing media in my locale seem quite pleased with that idea. They're positively purring. Mad Dog McCain (lots of drama) will seize all the oil in the Middle East and America's youth will be butchered when UN forces protest. Oh boy! Armageddon. God knew this would happen. So did the CFR.

 

[ThreeFireflies]

Oh Boy! Armageddon.

Maybe we'd prefer Hillary....and compulsory vaccinations for Ron Paul voters.

 

[shooter_tx]

A lot of them are (were). Back then, they wanted to use government as their tool to "do good" from a leftist perspective.

Now that they've "changed" (sides, anyway), they want to use government as their tool to "do good" from a different perspective.

The similarity is that both perspectives seek to use government as a tool to accomplish some "end" that is not "the preservation of liberty for the sovereign citizens."

 

[shooter_tx]

I noticed the founders are jewish. Like Irving Kristol.

ZOMG!

What's your solution to this "problem"? Not the preliminary one, but the final one?

I've also noticed this same "problem" with a lot of the Austrian economists. What's a free market adherent to do?!? I'm still undecided, but I'll probably end up cutting off my nose to spite my face.

/sarcasm

 

[shooter_tx]

I personally think there's more than a few of them trying to subvert Ron's campaign. Snyder, BENson, GREENspan, etc. I'm suspicious of this Rothbard charactor as well. For one, he's got the name. Two, most jews tend to always be for the only the jews in the end. I grew up with some and I've seen this first hand. It's the same in the colleges. They fuck other people over. I don't trust christians either. I think they're suckered in by religion. I noticed the states that are the most non-religious independent minded are voting for Ron. Like nevada. California will be next.

Freedom of speech.
bye

Are you also worried about zombies? Especially those who "got the name"?

Because, um..... Rothbard's dead. And has been, for at least 10-12 years.

 

[shooter_tx]

Where the fuck did all these closet Nazis come from lol? I posted this forum to point out the liberal/left-wing origins of Neocoservatism, and now people are debating which race has the highest IQ. Back on topic please, Ron Paul has to deal with enough racism accusations already

"In politics, nothing happens by accident." -- none other than that scum, FDR.

It is not by chance that they are here.

 

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That is how you win. You control both parties and provide your own oppostion. Both the Democrats & Republicans are left-wing.

 

[classicalscholar]

No one mentioned that Hillary Clinton used to be a Goldwater girl.

It goes both ways, folks.

Stop pointing fingers. A statist is a statist and a libertarian is a libertarian.

 

[SeanEdwards]

The very first neoconservative was Woodrow Wilson (Democrat) so I fully believe original poster's claim.

Wilson is also regarded as the father of modern liberalism.

Kooky, ain't it?

 

[Quirkydude]

OK not ALL, but many. norman podherotz, bernard lewis, irving kristol, christopher hitchens. even ronald raegan, are just a few. Some were even marxists. This might explain the big-government "conservatives" who seem to rule the once-coservative republican party. Thoughts?

i dunnow if this was the right forum or not but o well.

My thought is that you "noticed" this after watching the youtube interview where Dr. Paul makes that exact statement. Just calling it like I see it.