It's Time to REALLY Fight This Freedom Revolution On The Spiritual Level

Interesting. That statement is far more complex then I care to dissect. To many possible outcomes with it to say anything about it one way or another.

I would like to believe the statement to be accurate but have no way myself to prove it. But by simply not being able to prove it I add doubt that I would prefer not to exist. But then again any thing I want to be or not to be is not required to be true. And even saying that I still don't like the message that I may be sending.

In conclusion, I just don't know everything.





It seams like most of everything we know is based on some form of faith.

Amen! Now we're talkin'!

The Matrix (even with it's many plot holes) really helped me open my eyes to this apparent truth. Did you by chance read The Simulation Argument?

I think, therefore I am (but what am I?)
 
And I KNOW when he has people fooled. And I KNOW when he uses people against me, whether THEY know it or not.

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Interesting. That statement is far more complex then I care to dissect. To many possible outcomes with it to say anything about it one way or another.

I would like to believe the statement to be accurate but have no way myself to prove it. But by simply not being able to prove it I add doubt that I would prefer not to exist. But then again any thing I want to be or not to be is not required to be true. And even saying that I still don't like the message that I may be sending.

In conclusion, I just don't know everything.


The Matrix Affect:
scientific theory:
a theory that explains scientific observations; "scientific theories must be falsifiable"

This can cover any speculation since you are not able to know for fact if something can be dis-proven until it has been proven or dis-proven.


Take the movie the matrix for instance. Nothing but two things we will ever know as fact. First off, by simply being aware of your own thoughts, you alone may know for a fact that you exist in some way or another. And second, if you have a belief, may it be anything at all, you at least may know for a fact you do believe it.

This could always be true, and we might never even know for sure.

It may seam like most of everything we know is based on some form of faith.
 
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And I KNOW when he has people fooled. And I KNOW when he uses people against me, whether THEY know it or not.
Interesting. That statement is far more complex then I care to dissect. To many possible outcomes with it to say anything about it one way or another.

I was in a hurry when I wrote that, I suppose I should quantify it a bit.

Of course I'm not perfect, so I don't know EVERY trick I'm sure,
however I can recognize many times when demonic influences are involved.


It seams like most of everything we know is based on some form of faith.
Most of what I've done in my life is through faith. I'm not one of those who have had angels appear before them, or have visions or dreams ect.

God doesn't email me a daily update or something. I mostly just have experiences that could not be anything other than Spiritual in nature.

So, although there are some supernatural instances I've experienced, the vast majority of what I do is based on faith.

But, I've had enough obvious spiritual experiences to not to have to "believe" anymore, or just act on "faith".

I KNOW there is a God and a devil. I KNOW there is a spiritual realm. It's NOT a question of "faith".
 
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everyone stop what your doing and send money to "the Order of Melchezedek, Inc." its for ron paul realy.


a fool and his money,
 
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Mark are you an elected delegate?

or did you register as a republican

Again be as spiritual as you want but it is messed up to tell people
that they can accomplish there goals by sitting around and chanting, action begets action

Yes I am, and yes I did.

I DIDN'T say that - YOU did.


I'm challenging The Prince of Darkness and all his Demonic hordes for The Glory of Jesus The Christ.


Spiritual Warfare one of the main things I do in my job working for God.

I'm a MINISTER in case you didn't know. I have a Church. I work for The Most High God.


I'm ALSO a modern day Nazarite. I made my lifetime Vow to God at the age of 16. Read Numbers Chap 6 for a brief introduction to who a Nazarite is.

I am now 48. I've been battling Satan for years now. It's NOTHING NEW for me.

It's WHY my hair is long. Sampson, of "Sampson and Delilah" fame was a Nazarite too. God gave him a mission, and God's given me a mission too.


It's to challenge SATAN and EVERYONE OF HIS DEMONS AND HUMAN WORSHIPERS to try and kill ME. They WILL FAIL.


And hopefully his human worshipers, like those in the "ruling elite" who are driving this world towards WW III and worse will think better of it

when they see that their god Satan is POWERLESS against me, thanks to Almighty God.


FYI - The name of my Church/Religious Organization/Denomination is "The Order of Melchizedek". Look up the significance of that name sometime.


And I don't care if YOU or ANYONE ELSE understands it. I don't have to answer to YOU or ANYONE ELSE. I have to answer to ALMIGHTY GOD ALONE.
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I was not off topic I was relating to your topic, have you had a sip of coffee yet or are you really thirsty, for reals it was a scientific experiment.

Scientific experiments have already been performed. Double blind studies, for instance, that show that people recovering from heart surgery do statistically better when people are praying for them.

There's some interesting stuff knocking about out there.
 
this guy is a crook, I might not be able to spell but I am smart ennogh to know this guy is stealing your money, he is running other threads on this sight asking for money.\\

prayer helps but god helps those that help there self\\\

mark is a crook and he i trying t get your money. for reals ask him about his "church" he said he has put together a chartable company to promote RP, reality is he has been running this scam for 9 years
 
prayer does help

Scientific experiments have already been performed. Double blind studies, for instance, that show that people recovering from heart surgery do statistically better when people are praying for them.

There's some interesting stuff knocking about out there.

Molly I do agree with you prayer and faith helps, but this guy is suggesting you do not have to do anything to help your self, you are right, in those blind studies people that get prayed for recover faster but if those people would listen to mark they would never have anything to recover from they would be sitting in there basements asking the "spiritial plain" to make them better rather then going to the doctor and getting their hearts fixed, this guy is a crook
 
this guy is a crook, I might not be able to spell but I am smart ennogh to know this guy is stealing your money, he is running other threads on this sight asking for money.\\

prayer helps but god helps those that help there self\\\

mark is a crook and he i trying t get your money. for reals ask him about his "church" he said he has put together a chartable company to promote RP, reality is he has been running this scam for 9 years

You don't KNOW me for anything. My name and address is all over this board.

YOU'RE the one hiding.

I've collected $300 dollars for someone recently and gave them a check.

I'm EASY to find. People KNOW who I am. Who ARE YOU. NOBODY KNOWS.


Another LIE, I didn't say ANYTHING ABOUT PUTTING TOGETHER A CHARITABLE ORG for RP.

I've had an incorporated Religious Organization for over NINE YEARS now. I'm not "putting it together". It's BEEN established.

And I've NEVER asked for, or BEEN GIVEN even ONE PENNY in those nine years. This is a FIRST for me.

I happen to know that it COULD have made a HUGE difference months ago, but NO ONE had any more sense than you do about it,

and NOW it's too late to use it to get Ron elected. And the consequences of insulting me and my Church will be on heads like YOURS .


You WILL get the country and world that comes from not electing Ron.

The prophecy "Woe unto the Earth and what is to come upon it" is about a DONE DEAL NOW thanks to people like you.

There WAS a chance to avoid it by electing Ron, and God GAVE US A CHANCE, and ME THE KNOWLEDGE of how to do it,

but unbelievers like YOU got in the way.

Carnage in more ways than one is even closer to striking this world now, and people like you are one of the reasons why,

because you have shown NO FAITH in Almighty God, and a way out that HE SENT TO YOU ALL.
 
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Molly I do agree with you prayer and faith helps, but this guy is suggesting you do not have to do anything to help your self, you are right, in those blind studies people that get prayed for recover faster but if those people would listen to mark they would never have anything to recover from they would be sitting in there basements asking the "spiritial plain" to make them better rather then going to the doctor and getting their hearts fixed, this guy is a crook


You are SO wrong in EVERYTHING you say. You've MADE UP EVERY CHARGE you've leveled at me.

You have NO CREDIBILITY, at ALL.

If you want to discuss the Challenge ON TOPIC, fine.


But this is NOT a religious discussion thread,

and it is NOT a thread for you to continually twist my words into a lie of how you want them to be and to slander my name as you go along.

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I just don't like the condescending attitude implicit in the statement I've so many times had hurled at me "You left God", which always seems to be accompanied with "you're now in league with Satan" or some such. It's not enough to just agree to disagree apparently.

And now you seem upset too, so I'm dropping it. My offer stands... prove to me this "True God", and I will then take a 2nd look. Til then, all else is faith, and I just don't share yours.

Go Ron Paul, defender of freedom (incl. freedom to worship or not worship as one sees fit so long as it harm no other).

Oh well, at least we agree that there may be other realms to fight our battles. At least based on my experiences, other planes do exist.

Namasté

I didn't say that you that were "in league with Satan", but if you're not doing the Will of God, there's only one spiritual entity left that you're benefiting.

How better can I prove to you other than the way I'm proving to humans that actually worship Satan by choice.

I'm proving it by the Challenge.

I can't think of a more sure way to show who the True God is than challenging the god of this world to try and kill me. Can you?

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The "powers that be" are close to doing things that could potentially start full scale nuclear war,

so, I'm going nuclear on their ass in the Spiritual world before they start it in the physical world.

I hear you, and I have been trying to fight it spiritually also, but I must admit I'm new to this on a global scale. My own life is peaceful and protected now, so I seem to have conquered things with regard to myself. But, this battle is so huge, and my knowledge so little, that I really don't know what to do. I've tried binding them in prayer. I'm not even sure if that is the right thing to do. I ask for God to prevent them from doing what they want to do, to bring them at each other instead of at the rest of us, to raise up his sons against them. I do believe these prayers have been answered so far. I take a lot of direction from the psalms of David since he had a similar problem. Then we also have the problem of the Christians who are seduced and entranced with satan, like Eve in the garden, and following him instead of Jesus.

I don't quite understand your approach in inviting them to come at you. Is it Biblical? I don't look for trouble myself--I value my peace too much--but when it comes, I do realize the fight is on a spiritual level and I fight it there. But there is so much evil now, I get overwhelmed with it. It takes a lot of strength and faith to even face it.

Luke 10:17
The seventy-two returned with joy and said, "Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name."
 
I hear you, and I have been trying to fight it spiritually also, but I must admit I'm new to this on a global scale. My own life is peaceful and protected now, so I seem to have conquered things with regard to myself. But, this battle is so huge, and my knowledge so little, that I really don't know what to do. I've tried binding them in prayer. I'm not even sure if that is the right thing to do. I ask for God to prevent them from doing what they want to do, to bring them at each other instead of at the rest of us, to raise up his sons against them. I do believe these prayers have been answered so far. I take a lot of direction from the psalms of David since he had a similar problem. Then we also have the problem of the Christians who are seduced and entranced with satan, like Eve in the garden, and following him instead of Jesus.

I don't quite understand your approach in inviting them to come at you. Is it Biblical? I don't look for trouble myself--I value my peace too much--but when it comes, I do realize the fight is on a spiritual level and I fight it there. But there is so much evil now, I get overwhelmed with it. It takes a lot of strength and faith to even face it.

Luke 10:17
The seventy-two returned with joy and said, "Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name."

You're doing VERY WELL Molly! Much better than many. ;)

The Father's Best possible Blessings in this world to you and yours!

It's biblical, remember Elijah and how he challenged Baal (Satan) and his worshipers? And fire rained down from heaven and devoured them all?


There IS so much evil now, which is why there's a special need to take the spiritual battle to a higher level at this time.


You know how we are all members of the Body of Christ? Well, we all have a job to do for Jesus.

Mine just happens to be to "stand in the hedge" against Satan. I'm kind of one of those "sons" that you've asked God to raise up. :)


Some people are good at one thing, some are good at another.

And God has certain people in the world who are good at spiritual warfare.


God hasn't abandoned us in these dark days, to the contrary, He's raised up an army to do personal one-on-one battle with the forces of darkness.

I'm just one of those people. It comes naturally to me like some people are natural musicians or something.


And, I've been doing it for a long time, but the world is so close to disaster because of people in "the ruling elite" who actually worship Satan,

that God wants me to make the battle public so that everyone knows who The True God is without a doubt.


So please don't worry about me, Jesus takes care of me, and Satan has known it for a LONG time now. ;)

I'm not doing something that Satan doesn't already know about, the point is to let those HUMANS that don't know it, learn about it. :)

I'm telling them to "come at me", not so Satan and his demons will learn anything new, it's so his human worshipers will learn something new. ;)

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It's biblical, remember Elijah and how he challenged Baal (Satan) and his worshipers? And fire rained down from heaven and devoured them all?
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Here's a nice simple rendition of it.

It's kind of interesting to me that the author calls it a "Contest" and God led me to call mine a "Challenge".

And, after I started to write it for the webpage,

I noticed that my last name, Cahall, has the same 5 letters as the first 5 letters in the word Challenge.

The word Challenge almost spells my last name in the first 5 letters.

That was kind of cool to me. ;)

Like it says in the story below, this is just a little "challenge" to show who is the REAL God


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1 Kings 18:17-46

THE GREAT CONTEST

A story about Elijah and the Prophets of Baal

by Linda Edwards

The drought conditions were continuing to get
worse. There was hardly any water to be found ANYWHERE.
The creeks had dried up LONG ago, and the rivers had become
patchy mud puddles. Food was scarce for people and for animals.
In fact, many of the animals had already DIED because of the
shortage of grass.

King Ahab was beginning to worry about his OWN herds of
cattle and flocks of sheep. He called Obadiah, one of his
servants, to his side.

"Obadiah," he said, "something MUST be done before all the
animals die. We must find grass and water. You go in one
direction and I'll go the other. There MUST be grass SOMEwhere."

So King Ahab and Obadiah set off in different directions, in
search of fresh grass and water.

* * *

While Obadiah was looking here and there, trying to find mud
puddles and grass, he saw a man walking toward him. "I wonder who
that could be," he thought to himself. As the man came closer,
Obadiah recognized him. "Why, that's ELIJAH!" he exclaimed out
loud and ran to meet him.

"ELIJAH! ELIJAH! Is that really YOU?" he asked excitedly.

"Yes, I am Elijah, and I want you to do me a big favor."

"What is it, sir?" Obadiah asked politely.

"I want you to go tell King Ahab that I am here and want to
see him," Elijah explained.

Obadiah instantly became fearful. This was NOT something he
wanted to do. "How can you even THINK of asking me to do such a
thing?" Obadiah asked with astonishment. "Don't you know that
King Ahab HATES you? Don't you know that the King is blaming YOU
because there has not been any rain for all these years? Besides
that, the King has been LOOKING for you. Every time he thinks he
knows where you are, you leave and no one can find you. If I tell
him you are here, then you will leave again; he will want to kill you
AND me. I'm sorry, Elijah. I just cannot do it!"

Elijah looked at Obadiah and patiently explained, "It will
be fine, Obadiah. I promise you that I will be here. I PROMISE
you that I WILL see the King. Now please, just go and tell him I
wish to speak to him."

* * **

"YOU! YOU! YOU are the one that is causing trouble for
Israel!" King Ahab shouted in anger. "YOU are the reason we have
had no rain!"

"No, King," Elijah replied. "YOU are the cause for
all this trouble. You have turned away from Jehovah,
the one true God.

You are worshipping the false god, Baal. You
have caused the people of Israel to sin by worshiping idols. YOU
have brought all this trouble to Israel."

Elijah continued his speech. "I want you to gather 450
prophets of Baal, and 400 prophets of of Ashtoreth, and have them
meet me at Mount Carmel."


King Ahab did as Elijah said and gathered the prophets. A
large crowd of people gathered also to see what was going to
happen.

Elijah stood before the crowd. "How long are you going to
try to worship Baal and Jehovah? You cannot serve more than one
god. If Baal is God, worship him! If Jehovah is God, worship Him!
You MUST make a decision. You must choose one or the other."

Then Elijah said, "We are going to have a contest to see who
is the REAL God."
He told them to bring enough wood to build two
altars - one for Jehovah, and one for Baal. He told them to bring
animals for the sacrifice - one for Jehovah and one for Baal.

The 450 prophets of Baal built their altar. They
prepared the animal for the sacrifice. Then they
started praying: "O Baal, hear us! O Baal, hear us!" From morning
until noon they kept up the shouting.

Elijah was taunting and making fun of them: "What's wrong?
Can't your god HEAR you? Has he taken a trip? Why isn't he
answering you? Perhaps he is talking to someone else. Maybe you
should scream LOUDER."

Midday had passed, and now it was getting late into the
evening, and the prophets of Baal were still shouting and
screaming at the top of their voices. Baal STILL was not
listening.

Elijah told the people who were looking on to gather around
him. He took 12 stones for his altar, used the wood that was
brought, and prepared the animal for the sacrifice. Then he did a
very strange thing indeed.

He told the people to bring him four barrels of water. It
sounded pretty strange to them, but they DID bring the water. He
poured the water on the altar and on the sacrifice.

He told them to bring him FOUR MORE barrels of
water. "What's wrong with this guy? Doesn't he know
there is a shortage of water?" they were mumbling among
themselves. But they obediently brought the water. He poured the
water on the altar and on the sacrifice.

That wasn't enough for Elijah. He told them to bring him
FOUR MORE barrels of water. "How much water is he going to
waste?" someone whispered. Again they did as they were told and
brought the water. He poured that water on the altar and on the
sacrifice. The sacrifice was soaked with water. Water was running
off the wood, onto the stones, and onto the ground. He dug a
ditch around the altar and filled it with water also.

Then he began to pray a simple prayer:

"Lord God, let the people know that You are
the true God of Israel and I am your servant.
Let them know that I have done these things
because You told me to do them. Hear me, O
Lord, so these people will know that You are
the Lord God, and they will serve You again."

SUDDENLY, fire came down from heaven! It burned up the
sacrifice! It burned up the WOOD! It burned up the STONES! It
EVEN licked up all the water that was in the ditch around the
altar!

When the people saw it, they dropped to the ground in fear
and cried out, "The Lord, He is the God; THE LORD, HE IS THE GOD!"


Then Elijah turned to King Ahab and said, "Get up! Eat and
drink! There will be an abundance of rain!"

So King Ahab had something to eat and drink, and Elijah took
his servant with him to the top of Mount Carmel to pray to God
and wait for the rain. "Look toward the sea and tell me if you
see rain," Elijah said to his servant. The servant peered into
the distance but didn't see any rain.

Elijah kept praying.

"Look again," Elijah told him. He looked again, but still
there was no rain.

Elijah continued praying.

He looked six times, and each time there was no rain. Not
even a small cloud was in sight.

Elijah prayed one more time

and asked the servant to look again.

This time the servant saw a little cloud way out
in the distance over the sea. "Run quickly!" Elijah
commanded. "Go tell King Ahab to get his chariot ready and get
off the mountain before the rain starts."

It was just a little while before the sky became dark
with clouds.

The wind began to blow.

There was a drop of rain...

...then another.

...then another.

Then
there
was a
GREAT
DOWNPOUR.

THE DROUGHT WAS FINALLY OVER.

And everyone in Israel knew for certain that Jehovah was the
REAL God and Baal was just pretending to be a god.


* * *

REMEMBER: Everyone must choose between good and bad. It is
impossible to serve God and the devil.


". . . choose you this day whom ye will serve . . ." (Joshua
24:15).

LET'S PRAY

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Dear God, thank You for loving me even though
sometimes I make bad choices. Help me to
always love You more than anything else and
want to serve You with all my heart.
In Jesus' Name. Amen.
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I challenge Satan and God (any named god that is) to prove to me that they are real. The first one that does so gets my allegiance! There, now that's a contest!
 
I challenge Satan and God (any named god that is) to prove to me that they are real. The first one that does so gets my allegiance! There, now that's a contest!

There's a risk though, you may find out after it's too late to do anything about it.
 
There's a risk though, you may find out after it's too late to do anything about it.

Hey, life's risky!

You are taking a risk by believing that the bible and whatever spirits you are listening to are telling you the truth.

Maybe Satan is the real god, and is benevolent, etc., while Yahweh/Jesus are the evil gods and have pulled the wool over your eyes. The deceived know not that they are deceived, yes?

I don't believe anything absolutely, only in possibilities. Therefore, I'm more immune to deception than thou art. And so I'm at less risk than ye.

The way I see it anyway.

Good luck!
 
I apologize that some drunk has been all over a serious thread I've reported him multiple times the last day or so.

Latest report:

I appreciate removing #44,
but he the violates forum guidelines in the following posts as well:

#14, #45, #46, #49, #50, #51, #54, #55,

I mean, this guy has been relentless in his attacks in two threads, posting while drunk or something also. ;)

He's added nothing meaningful to the discussion, it seems he's on a mission to just get all over my case.

Thanks!

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Hey, life's risky!

You are taking a risk by believing that the bible and whatever spirits you are listening to are telling you the truth.

Maybe Satan is the real god, and is benevolent, etc., while Yahweh/Jesus are the evil gods and have pulled the wool over your eyes. The deceived know not that they are deceived, yes?

I don't believe anything absolutely, only in possibilities. Therefore, I'm more immune to deception than thou art. And so I'm at less risk than ye.

The way I see it anyway.

Good luck!

Well, you know, if you studied Rocket Science, you'd be an expert, and you wouldn't expect everyone else to be either,
but you wouldn't necessarily be expected to educate everyone else on the subject either.

Same here dude, I appreciate your viewpoint, but, I'm in the middle of something here, among a hundred other things, so, no offense intended, but convincing you that God exists is pretty low on my priority list at this point. ;)

I've been doing this for a long time, I'm kind of an expert at it, and like the Rocket Science analogy, you can't expect me to educate you on the matter just because you're not. Maybe someday, but we're all pretty busy right now, I hope you understand friend. :)
 
Mark I redacted threads reported in the Mod queue, but you need to understand that we don't censor criticism or skepticism of people asking for donations for Ron Paul causes as often times people do.

I think as a veteran you'd be the first to understand people donating money to the Order of Melchezedek, Inc. to support Ron Paul are going to be naturally skeptical.

The best way you can increase the donations coming in to support Ron are to publicly deflect their criticisms, even if they're baseless and not grounded in facts.

You know how this forum works...when something is authentic and for the cause...supporters will seek it out and fund it!
 
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