It's Time to REALLY Fight This Freedom Revolution On The Spiritual Level

[Original_Intent]

Mark,

I have had some pretty amazing experiences, as well as some things that I am guessing at about - it would be interesting to compare notes sometime.

I would PM you right now, but it is 12:30 a.m. and I am sicker than a dog.

 

[Mark]

You probably don't want to hear any of this, and I know well that you would not want to go through what I went through when faith departed me. Pretty devastating for a couple of weeks there.

I've had quite the journey as well. I was raised in what I would call a cult. The Jehovah's Witnesses.

My parents got into it hard core when I was about 4.

By age 10 I was beginning to question what I was being taught.

But I didn't "throw the baby out with the bathwater".

I knew that God wasn't responsible for what "Man" said about Him.

I began to understand that Mankind often used God to manipulate people.

So, I didn't blame God for the lies told about Him.


I guess why I've never lost faith is because when I was about 3 I had an eye opening Spiritual experience regarding the nature of "Right and Wrong".

I had to make a choice of whether or not I wanted to serve God or serve Evil. I chose God.


I can tell who Satan is because he's been interested in me my whole life.

We're not strangers at all.

That's how I know that at age of 48, he stays away from me now. I tell him what's up. And he knows that I KNOW what's up,
and, I suppose he just doesn't want to hear it anymore.


He KNOWS how pissed I am at him for all he's done in my life, and also for what he's done for Eons.

If I could make him stay with me I would, because he can only be in one place at a time, and if he's with me, he can't be other places causing trouble.


And, the way to test the spirits is to ask them Who is Lord.

The answer is: Jesus The Christ is Lord.

If a spirit says anything other than that, other than Jesus is The Lord, they are Evil.


Or, if you want to have fun, and really scare the crap out of them, ask them to call upon God The Father.

They KNOW The Father doesn't play.


I think, twice, in all of my Spiritual adventures, including even in a full scale war against Evil Spirits regarding Black Magic Voodoo back in 1994,
have I had to call The Father.


A couple of times some really stubborn spirits were being uncooperative, and I had to ask The Father for some help.

The spirits "got in line" really quick.

They KNOW they don't want me to have to call The Father.

.

 

[Mark]

Mark,

I have had some pretty amazing experiences, as well as some things that I am guessing at about - it would be interesting to compare notes sometime.

I would PM you right now, but it is 12:30 a.m. and I am sicker than a dog.

Wow, sorry to hear that. I hope you feel better soon OI.

I'll be here for a while I suppose. The campaign's not over, and The Freedom Revolution's just begun.


Update: Satan's still being a no-show wussy BTW. He's been such a coward these last few years.


Email's best for me really - It goes straight to my email prog - a lot easier to check than PM's.

All you have to do is click "send email" instead of "send PM" - but, whatever floats your boat.

 

[Mark]

Sorry to digress... back on topic here.

Yes, I believe positive change can take place in the world we see around us if many people work both physically and metaphysically toward a positive goal. It could take a while. It has taken us a while to get where we are, and we better be prepared for the long haul if we don't want to be severely disappointed in the short term.

That's the key - long term planning and long term goals - if the human "powers that be" don't go ahead and ruin it all right away.

I think they know their time is short, and they may do something drastic.

That's kind of why I decided to issue the formal challenge now, I think they're getting desperate, and may try something stupid soon.

I figured I'd better let them know now to give it their best go, and maybe it'll sink in without a doubt that they're on the wrong path.


They gotten where they are now through the power that they've gotten from Satan, and, they need to know, that they're fighting a lost cause.

 

[BigRedBrent]

I was attempting to do an astral projection the other night and failed, but somewhere along the way, during sleep/dream state or somewhere in between, I had this sudden flash of insight or something about astral influencing the election. It seemed profound at the time though now it's a fuzzy memory. I think it was along the lines of attaining to the astral planes and from there inputting a sort of Ron Paul meme into the collective consciousness to wake people up to the Ron Paul message, subliminally I guess. Oh well, like I said, at the time it seemed profound, but then again, I was asleep! lol

I am sure I don't have the exact same views as some in this thread. But I have been praying for wisdom to come to everyone. I am Christian but I do not think in the same way as almost anyone I know. I think our minds are very limited and we seam to only try to imagine things in the scope of what we think is possible. We have so much we do not know because we may not even be able to understand or comprehend a lot of things. I have a deep understanding of the dangers of what you refer to as the spiritual realm. It may have more evil elements in it then you may understand. And some may have more ability then some may think. What limits them may only be what is protecting you. I will not attempt to explore what you refer as the spiritual realm. I do not think it is meant for us right now and may just be a convenient link the the evil that resides in it. I know of many more venues this evil uses as a link to us though, but this one may be the most direct.

 

[beachmaster]

I will not attempt to explore what you refer as the spiritual realm. I do not think it is meant for us right now and may just be a convenient link the the evil that resides in it. I know of many more venues this evil uses as a link to us though, but this one may be the most direct.

Yes we all have different beliefs. I really take more to un-belief these days (but at happy hour, I usually believe I'll have another drink, lol.... .sorry, couldn't resist!).

Seriously though, I now "believe" based on experience. Call it experiential belief if you will. And even that mode cannot be trusted, because what if all of this is merely a Matrix, or we are brains in vats? Dr. Nick Bostrom's "The Simulation Argument" was a real eye opener for me. It doesn't mean that I believe we live in a simulation/matrix/vat, etc., but only that philosophically speaking, there's no way to prove that we don't. Ultimately, I came to the conclusion that I couldn't prove much of anything, including God. And if there is a God, I couldn't prove which of the numerous holy books on earth best described It, and any book that claimed an ultimate supreme being had the attributes of a man, and therefore would be referred to as "He", just seemed a bit too much for me to continue forward with.

All that having been said, the closest thing I have personally perceived as being real, is me. You know, Descartes said it best... "I think, therefore I am" (and I continue with that thought.... "but WHAT am I?"). Since "I" have experienced something like a spiritual realm, I conclude that at least to me, it exists, if only in my own mind. Now from what I have semi-concluded, even the dreamscapes we inhabit at night are a part of that spiritual realm. And most people I know are not afraid to give up a little of their consciousness each night to delved down into an altered state marked by REMs. It's a natural thing. And I also lean towards believing that everyone dreams, and everyone "leaves their body" at night, whether or not they remember it. I've never heard of anyone dying or becoming possessed or whatever when they go to sleep and give up their "self" to the dark of night, and wonder off into other dimensions. So it just doesn't frighten me. Not anymore I should say, because once upon a time, not that long ago really, I was a hard core bible believing Christian man who denounced such things as being "of the devil". Yes, that's true!

Are there forces for evil? It appears so. All around us. Whether we wake or sleep. Just as there are evil physical people, (and good ones too), I believe there are extra-dimensional entities who are both evil and good (and all points in between). It's just part of the Equilibrium of the Tao to me. Nothing to really get worked up about, just something we sooner or later accept in this life, or the next.

So while in this life, if we want more good to surround us, we put out good energies and repel negative energies. The NWO is powered by some extremely negative energies, and it will take a LOT of good entities to repel it. I realize that the NWO is about to attempt to play the "Armageddon card". It will be an adventure to see what comes of all of this, but in the meantime, we play our part of the game to the best of each of our abilities to bring about the world we truly want.

But then again...who the hell knows? lol

 

[beachmaster]

But I didn't "throw the baby out with the bathwater".

I looked for the baby, but it wasn't there!

I knew that God wasn't responsible for what "Man" said about Him.

I began to understand that Mankind often used God to manipulate people.

So, I didn't blame God for the lies told about Him

That's sort of the approach I took. Maybe there is a God. But I ain't taking what men wrote hundreds or thousands of years ago as the "gospel truth" about the nature of this God. Sure, I'll read religious texts, and actually get something out of them on an esoteric level... some texts give me food for thought. But to think that the words penned by men, and enforced by men upon other men, just ain't good enough for me.

So what's left? Intuition. And that too can be off. I like Thomas Paine's thoughts as expressed in The Age of Reason where he rightly claims that one man's vision has no moral authority over me if I don't share that vision. How can I be sure that the vision of St. Paul for example, wasn't just some kind of hallucination and he believed it so much, that he was able to incite others to believe with him? I'm not obligated to believe in his vision. Hell I don't even trust my own visions, let alone those of others.

But that's what made the American Revolution so interesting, you had Christians and Deists, and maybe some secret Atheists/Agnostics too, all fighting for the same cause... FREEDOM (personal, financial, and spiritual)!

 

[hopeforthefuture]

"That's sort of the approach I took. Maybe there is a God. But I ain't taking what men wrote hundreds or thousands of years ago as the "gospel truth" about the nature of this God. Sure, I'll read religious texts, and actually get something out of them on an esoteric level... some texts give me food for thought. But to think that the words penned by men, and enforced by men upon other men, just ain't good enough for me."


"All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." -2 Timothy 3:16

The words of the Bible were inspired by God and given to the men who actually penned them.

Read the book of John.

 

[beachmaster]

"All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." -2 Timothy 3:16

The words of the Bible were inspired by God and given to the men who actually penned them.

Read the book of John.

All sounds very nice. Now just prove it.

I used to be a preacher and I've quoted that same verse many many times. But I came to the obvious conclusion (as have you) that a man clearly penned that verse (or something like it), that was in turn translated, interpreted, copied numerous times over by other men.

Men can write things making all kinds of claims on behalf of gods, but there just is no way to prove that a god actually inspired the man to write it. The man could be a liar, looking for power or money, or he could be a lunatic, or maybe he's really hearing from a god. Just no way to prove it. You have to take it on faith, and that's now where I depart. People from all religious faiths will try to tell you that their scriptures are the real ones. Nobody can prove that their scriptures came from or were inspired by any god.

I used to have faith in Santa Claus as a young boy. But nowadays, you could stick a gun to my head, or threaten me with hellfire... I still won't be able to muster up that old faith I once had, no matter how hard I might try.

But if you still have the faith, more power to ya!

Edit to add: By the way, this topic is just one of many reasons I would support a Ron Paul over a Mike Huckabee. Ron Paul recognizes that everyone is free to believe or not believe as they will, while Huckabee seems to want to wash us all in the blood of the god he believes in. I prefer spiritual freedom over spiritual coercion any day of the week. And that includes your freedom to believe what you will without physical or mental coercion from atheists, muslims, hindus, pantheists, etc.

 

[Mark]

I am sure I don't have the exact same views as some in this thread. But I have been praying for wisdom to come to everyone. I am Christian but I do not think in the same way as almost anyone I know. I think our minds are very limited and we seam to only try to imagine things in the scope of what we think is possible. We have so much we do not know because we may not even be able to understand or comprehend a lot of things. I have a deep understanding of the dangers of what you refer to as the spiritual realm. It may have more evil elements in it then you may understand. And some may have more ability then some may think. What limits them may only be what is protecting you. I will not attempt to explore what you refer as the spiritual realm. I do not think it is meant for us right now and may just be a convenient link the the evil that resides in it. I know of many more venues this evil uses as a link to us though, but this one may be the most direct.

I use the term "The Spiritual Realm" to encompass that which isn't in the Physical Realm.

i.e. Physical things like the earth, our bodies ect ect.

Angels ect I place in the Spiritual Realm - by their nature - they're Spiritual Creatures, though they can take human form.


Sure, our minds are limited, but, I'm not trying to write a book to explain everything, I just separated things into 2 categories in terms of their nature.

Physical or Spiritual.

There are some things that must remain secret, but, I'm just making a statement to the "powers that be" that get their power and influence through
an alliance with Satan - or whatever you want to call him - the main angel who became smitten with himself and thought that he should be God.


The point of this all is - is to show those that serve Satan that he is NOT going to do anything except LOSE.

In fact, he's ALREADY LOST, but the game has more time left in it to play out.


It should be obvious by now that I'm a Christian - Jesus is my best friend - it's a shame so many people have been brainwashed towards Christianity
in the same way that they've been brainwashed about politics and everything else.


I'm just trying to keep things simple - I'm challenging Satan and all of his demonic armies - and all of his human followers -

to see if the Evil Spiritual Creatures can defeat THIS human - ME -
and then hopefully it will sink in that since Satan and his demonic hordes can't even defeat me -

that there's no way at all they could ever even begin to defeat God Almighty.


And then, maybe they'll reconsider all of the plans they have in the works, and turn away from serving Satan.

Just turn their backs on him and walk away. For their own soul's sake.

Maybe they serve Satan because they think he'll defeat God, and maybe if they learn that he can't, they'll stop serving him.

I hope so, for everyone's sake.

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[beachmaster]

I'm just trying to keep things simple - I'm challenging Satan and all of his demonic armies - and all of his human followers -

to see if the Evil Spiritual Creatures can defeat THIS human - ME -
and then hopefully it will sink in that since Satan and his demonic hordes can't even defeat me -

Maybe they can't defeat you, but from the looks of things, they've defeated US. We live in a land of authoritarianism, rights being stolen from us daily, we are involved in the mass killing of millions of innocent lives worldwide. We are being watched 24/7 by nanny state, they read our emails, pry in on our phone calls, monitor our banking affairs, lien our properties, jail our Citizens for non-violent "offenses" (victimless crimes), take children from their parents, divide the masses against each other.... I could go on and on about how some kind of satan (adversary) has seemingly defeated America.

I mean sure, the war ain't over yet, but as of right now, I'm starting to feel the pressure of the Orwellian boot on our collective selves.

Maybe I need to understand more about what you are actually referring to. What do you mean by defeat? If you mean that the adversary hasn't killed your spirit yet, then I agree, America (and myself) ain't defeated yet... but in the physical world, it's not looking too swell if you get my drift!

 

[Mark]

Maybe they can't defeat you, but from the looks of things, they've defeated US. We live in a land of authoritarianism, rights being stolen from us daily, we are involved in the mass killing of millions of innocent lives worldwide. We are being watched 24/7 by nanny state, they read our emails, pry in on our phone calls, monitor our banking affairs, lien our properties, jail our Citizens for non-violent "offenses" (victimless crimes), take children from their parents, divide the masses against each other.... I could go on and on about how some kind of satan (adversary) has seemingly defeated America.

I mean sure, the war ain't over yet, but as of right now, I'm starting to feel the pressure of the Orwellian boot on our collective selves.

Maybe I need to understand more about what you are actually referring to. What do you mean by defeat? If you mean that the adversary hasn't killed your spirit yet, then I agree, America (and myself) ain't defeated yet... but in the physical world, it's not looking too swell if you get my drift!

First, I don't understand why this thread was moved to the "Christian Outreach" Forum.

I specifically made it "Spiritually based" and not "Christian based" on purpose.

Unless the moderators think only Christians are "Spiritual", which is obviously not the case based on the replies,
it should be moved back to the general topic grassroots forum.

I would like an explanation by whomever moved it as to why it was moved to the Christian centric forum.

There's been as many or more non-Christian people replying than Christians.

And it shouldn't be relegated to a Christian biased sub-forum.

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Well, beachmaster, they've done all of those things BEFORE this little challenge.

Thus, before it gets any worse, I thought I'd make it perfectly clear that they're on the wrong path.

So that they will KNOW that they will pay a heavy ETERNAL price, especially after this clear warning and example.


What does defeat mean? Good question, as I wasn't quite sure how or where to set the benchmark. What would be proof?

I'm not, by any definition of the word, an expert on Black magic and what people use it to do. At least not in terms of specifics.

Which black magic spell does this or that, I don't know. Do they use demons to kill people. I would imagine, yes.

So why not that?


One thing though, they can influence people to drive a car into someone, or attack someone ect.

But that's influencing the other person, not me, and that doesn't count.

What ONLY counts is what can be done to ME, individually.


If they think Satan and his demons are so powerful,
and they enjoy and gain power through the deaths of innocent humans by, for example, wars,
well then, Satan should be able to kill me himself if he's so powerful.

How's that for "defeat"? Let's see if Satan can kill me himself.

And he can bring along everyone of his demonic hordes, and let's see if all of them together at once can kill me.


I'm saying NO, they can't.

And I'm calling them all out to prove it.

If you're so powerful Satan, try and strike ME down.

Try and kill ME yourself. (Try again, of course, Satan, which, you and I know, but the people reading this don't)


Satan already KNOWS what's up.

The people who worship him DON'T.

THAT'S what the challenge is about.

To SHOW his worshipers what's up.
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[beachmaster]

If you're so powerful Satan, try and strike ME down.

Try and kill ME yourself. (Try again, of course, Satan, which, you and I know, but the people reading this don't)


Satan already KNOWS what's up.

THE PEOPLE WHO WORSHIP HIM DON'T.

THAT'S what the challenge is about.

TO SHOW HIS WORSHIPERS WHAT'S UP.

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Ok... so Satan can't kill you. That's good for you... but we've still got a country, then a world to save from the dark force sons of bitches!

Satan can't kill me either by the way, or maybe doesn't want to. Perhaps she knows that I don't believe in her so there is no fear, and where there's no fear, there's a shitload of power! Or something like that. Anyways, I'm still kicking. Now a mere human being however, he or she could kill me if they just aimed a loaded gun at my head and pulled the trigger... therefore I have more fear of a person than of a satan.

 

[Mark]

Ok... so Satan can't kill you. That's good for you... but we've still got a country, then a world to save from the dark force sons of bitches!

Satan can't kill me either by the way, or maybe doesn't want to. Perhaps she knows that I don't believe in her so there is no fear, and where there's no fear, there's a shitload of power! Or something like that. Anyways, I'm still kicking. Now a mere human being however, he or she could kill me if they just aimed a loaded gun at my head and pulled the trigger... therefore I have more fear of a person than of a satan.

You don't have to believe in Satan for him to have power.

You have to have the Power within yourself that can defeat him, or, there has to be a Power stronger than him defending you.


I can stand on a RR track and not believe in the power of the freight train about to run me over, but it will still run me over.

But if, for example, God sends a tornado to derail the train before it hits me, it WON'T run me over.

It's not the belief in Satan's power that stops him, it's the Power of Almighty God that stops him.


I believe fighting the revolution includes fighting on the spiritual level AGAINST the dark force SOB's.

You say the dark force SOB's are, like, destroying our world, in front of us, and I agree, and I'm just fighting against them on their own turf.


We can fight against what people themselves are doing, but, we shouldn't ignore the dark force behind many of them.

And, since that's what I've been doing for years already, I'm just continuing the fight in this way too.


The "powers that be" are close to doing things that could potentially start full scale nuclear war,

so, I'm going nuclear on their ass in the Spiritual world before they start it in the physical world.


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[beachmaster]

You don't have to believe in Satan for him to have power.

Likewise for Set and Ahriman and many others I can name. Just because you don't believe in them doesn't mean they don't have power too!

You have to have the Power within yourself that can defeat him, or, there has to be a Power stronger than him defending you.

The adversary you speak of, I think you will find if you do some more digging through the literature and history of the old civilizations, is female, the jealous divorced former consort of one Yahweh. But male or female, or hermaphrodite, it doesn't matter. If it represents a danger to me, I haven't suffered from it yet. Again, I fear the average lunatic or street thug with a gun or knife more than any Satan (or Set, etc.).

I can stand on a RR track and not believe in the power of the freight train about to run me over, but it will still run me over.

Well I've been standing on that track for a long time, and so far, no train! Besides, what is there to life if we have to worry all the time about things that MIGHT happen to us? Why stress yourself out man?

But if, for example, God sends a tornado to derail the train before it hits me, it WON'T run me over.

It's not the belief in Satan's power that stops him, it's the Power of Almighty God that stops him.

Well then if your God exists, he must like non-believers because he's keep Satan's claws off of me so far.

But our country... well it's going straight down the shitter. God apparently doesn't like freedom to thrive so he's letting his ex have her way with us as a nation.

I believe fighting the revolution includes fighting on the spiritual level AGAINST the dark force SOB's.

You say the dark force SOB's are, like, destroying our world, in front of us, and I agree, and I'm just fighting against them on their own turf.

I just think it could be detrimental on a mass consciousness level to give those dark forces credit for more power than they have... yes, evil exists. But you have got to have evil before you can know good. There has to be equilibrium. So if for now it appears that evil is winning... well maybe it is, but good will overcome it one day... then the cycle will continue, I suppose as it always has.

The "powers that be" are close to doing things that could potentially start full scale nuclear war,

so, I'm going nuclear on their ass in the Spiritual world before they start it in the physical world.

Good luck with that! Better load up on beans, bullion and bullets just in case though!

(BTW, Nuclear weapons are probably child's play compared to some Tesla-technology stuff I think they may have these days).

 

[Mark]

Likewise for Set and Ahriman and many others I can name. Just because you don't believe in them doesn't mean they don't have power too!

All Evil Spirits are included.

The adversary you speak of, I think you will find if you do some more digging through the literature and history of the old civilizations, is female, the jealous divorced former consort of one Yahweh. But male or female, or hermaphrodite, it doesn't matter. If it represents a danger to me, I haven't suffered from it yet. Again, I fear the average lunatic or street thug with a gun or knife more than any Satan (or Set, etc.).

Again, the one I'm talking about is the Angel who rebelled against God.

I don't have to read about him, I know him

Well I've been standing on that track for a long time, and so far, no train! Besides, what is there to life if we have to worry all the time about things that MIGHT happen to us? Why stress yourself out man?

Well then if your God exists, he must like non-believers because he's keep Satan's claws off of me so far.

Why should Satan attack you? You're already doing what he wants.

He wants people to turn away from the True God, and you've done it already.

The ruling elite of this world don't actively fight against the unknowing masses who just follow along like they fight against someone like Ron,
because the masses don't give them any trouble. And someone like Ron does.

You don't give Satan any trouble, with your beliefs, you're helping him more than hurting him.

One can only serve one master, and if you're not doing the will of The Most High God, you're doing the will of Satan. Whether if it's on purpose or not.

But our country... well it's going straight down the shitter. God apparently doesn't like freedom to thrive so he's letting his ex have her way with us as a nation.

Ahem. One of his workers just went nuclear on the dark forces.

By saying that, it shows that you haven't fully comprehended what's actually going on .

I just think it could be detrimental on a mass consciousness level to give those dark forces credit for more power than they have... yes, evil exists. But you have got to have evil before you can know good. There has to be equilibrium. So if for now it appears that evil is winning... well maybe it is, but good will overcome it one day... then the cycle will continue, I suppose as it always has.

Good luck with that! Better load up on beans, bullion and bullets just in case though!

(BTW, Nuclear weapons are probably child's play compared to some Tesla-technology stuff I think they may have these days).

Well, BM, you left God behind a long time ago, I didn't. I KNOW it's not detrimental. The focus of my life for 45 years has been to know these things.


I AM a minister, I believe, you WERE one.

If you were a brain surgeon, I certainly wouldn't try to tell you how to perform brain surgery just because I had a passing interest in it once.


Evil is NOT winning. Evil has ALREADY lost.

Evil's just trying to do as much harm as it CAN before the time runs out.


And yes, Tesla tech is alive and well.

Like I said, I'm NOT trying to write a book here. I just laid it out as simply as I could.


I'm not here to discuss this or that, and YOU will NOT deter ME from MY mission.

I KNOW what I'm doing. I've LIVED it for 45 years. I KNOW WHO SATAN IS. We are QUITE familiar with each other. He's NOT a "female". He IS a wussy.

And I KNOW THE TRICKS HE USES.

And I KNOW when he has people fooled. And I KNOW when he uses people against me, whether THEY know it or not.

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[beachmaster]

He wants people to turn away from the True God, and you've done it already.

No sense in me getting into an argument with you on all the points you bring up... this ain't the place for a religious debate. However, I will only point out your error when you say that I've turned away from the "True God". I've done no such thing. I've never met or experienced any such thing that I could determine was a "True God". I came to confessional, to myself, after a long search through scriptures, thinking about my 40 years of life as a believer, weighing it all out, shedding tears, the whole bit. I had to confess to myself that I had been self-deceived all along. I never knew any "True God", no matter how much I had previously thought I did. Sooooo, since I don't believe I've met this "True God", it'd be pretty hard for me to turn away from it wouldn't it?

Would you also say I turned away from the "True Santa" when I was 6 or 7 years old?

When someone can show me a "True God", or even prove such a thing exists, I will certainly examine it to see if it is a god I would worship. The god I found in the bible was a mean one, evil even... because the bible says it would send billions of people into eternal torment (or at least heavily implies that), for merely not believing the right way. My morals (and the law here in our states) say it's evil to torment an animal. How much more immoral is it to torment sentient humans forever, with no hope of relief... all because they didn't believe the right things? If I believed such a god existed, I damn sure wouldn't worship that!

Maybe you still adhere to some of your JW beliefs however and believe in annihilation of the soul at death for unbelievers. Now that wouldn't be so bad.

Ron Paul supports the freedom to worship ANY god you want, or not to... is he also working for Satan? If Muslims vote for him, are they doing Satan's work?

Ok.. again, don't want to start a religious debate. You are welcome to believe you know whatever it is you know. Until you can prove what you know to me, I will continue in my surprisingly pleasant and blissful state of suspension of belief. I'm willing to wait until I die to see where the rabbit hole goes from there (if anywhere).

If that means I'm doing Satan's work, oh well, so be it.

Maybe I should start a Satanist for Ron Paul website? lol, j/k.

 

[Mark]

No sense in me getting into an argument with you on all the points you bring up... this ain't the place for a religious debate. However, I will only point out your error when you say that I've turned away from the "True God". I've done no such thing. I've never met or experienced any such thing that I could determine was a "True God". I came to confessional, to myself, after a long search through scriptures, thinking about my 40 years of life as a believer, weighing it all out, shedding tears, the whole bit. I had to confess to myself that I had been self-deceived all along. I never knew any "True God", no matter how much I had previously thought I did. Sooooo, since I don't believe I've met this "True God", it'd be pretty hard for me to turn away from it wouldn't it?

Would you also say I turned away from the "True Santa" when I was 6 or 7 years old?

When someone can show me a "True God", or even prove such a thing exists, I will certainly examine it to see if it is a god I would worship. The god I found in the bible was a mean one, evil even... because the bible says it would send billions of people into eternal torment (or at least heavily implies that), for merely not believing the right way. My morals (and the law here in our states) say it's evil to torment an animal. How much more immoral is it to torment sentient humans forever, with no hope of relief... all because they didn't believe the right things? If I believed such a god existed, I damn sure wouldn't worship that!

Maybe you still adhere to some of your JW beliefs however and believe in annihilation of the soul at death for unbelievers. Now that wouldn't be so bad.

Ron Paul supports the freedom to worship ANY god you want, or not to... is he also working for Satan? If Muslims vote for him, are they doing Satan's work?

Ok.. again, don't want to start a religious debate. You are welcome to believe you know whatever it is you know. Until you can prove what you know to me, I will continue in my surprisingly pleasant and blissful state of suspension of belief. I'm willing to wait until I die to see where the rabbit hole goes from there (if anywhere).

If that means I'm doing Satan's work, oh well, so be it.

Maybe I should start a Satanist for Ron Paul website? lol, j/k.

I don't have time for this. If you want to discuss religion, maybe start a thread.

I'm sorry if you became disillusioned.

Your questions and statements show that you haven't known The True God at all, in spite of 40 years of whatever.

I have work to do for The True God. For Righteousnesses' sake. It's "what I do".

Hopefully one day it WILL matter to you whether or not your actions benefit God or Satan.

It has to me since I knew the difference 45 years ago.

I don't expect anyone to understand, much less everyone.

Maybe someday on this earth you will, but at this point, I'm chalking you up as another one who will only know the truth after you pass. It's a long list.

Peace.

 

[BigRedBrent]

And I KNOW when he has people fooled. And I KNOW when he uses people against me, whether THEY know it or not.

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Interesting. That statement is far more complex then I care to dissect. To many possible outcomes with it to say anything about it one way or another.

I would like to believe the statement to be accurate but have no way myself to prove it. But by simply not being able to prove it I add doubt that I would prefer not to exist. But then again any thing I want to be or not to be is not required to be true. And even saying that I still don't like the message that I may be sending.

In conclusion, I just don't know everything.

scientific theory:
a theory that explains scientific observations; "scientific theories must be falsifiable"

This can cover any speculation since you are not able to know for fact if something can be dis-proven until it has been proven or dis-proven.


Take the movie the matrix for instance. Nothing but two things we will ever know as fact. First off, by simply being aware of your own thoughts, you alone may know for a fact that you exist in some way or another. And second, if you have a belief, may it be anything at all, you at least may know for a fact you do believe it.

We have no way of knowing if this may ever be untrue, and even this sentence may be untrue if a way exists.

It seams like most of everything we know is based on some form of faith.

 

[beachmaster]

I just don't like the condescending attitude implicit in the statement I've so many times had hurled at me "You left God", which always seems to be accompanied with "you're now in league with Satan" or some such. It's not enough to just agree to disagree apparently.

And now you seem upset too, so I'm dropping it. My offer stands... prove to me this "True God", and I will then take a 2nd look. Til then, all else is faith, and I just don't share yours.

Go Ron Paul, defender of freedom (incl. freedom to worship or not worship as one sees fit so long as it harm no other).

Oh well, at least we agree that there may be other realms to fight our battles. At least based on my experiences, other planes do exist.

Namasté