It's the economy, stupid

[partypoker]

People are going to start understanding when they see their 401k down 50%.

This shit is hitting the fan.

It's time to change topics. We got the logical antiwar votes, now it's time to get the people who are close to foreclosure and lost 40% value on their houses.

 

[Isupportliberty]

it is the economy... you can't convert a war-hawk by talking about the war, but you can convert them by talking about the economy and making them care more about the economy than F/P.

 

[partypoker]

64% of repubs support the war - i bet they don't support a depression.

talk up the economy and say ron paul is the only choice to survive the recession.

 

[partypooper]

It's the economy, stupid.

Change the message please someone tell RP as soon as possible.

the problem is that when dr paul talks about the economy he tends to talk about monetary problems and ignores the rest. sure, he talks about housing bubbles and stuff, bur all too often he sounds as if he thinks that monetary problems are the cause of all problems.

and they are not. i actually lived through 100% a day inflation so my guess is that i am more open to monetary explanations of economic woes than an average american. but the main problem comes from the fact that the economy is overly regulated. republican voters are much more willing to listen and agree about this. yet i dont' remember even seeing dr paul talk about this in a major public appearance (i saw him in longer interviews).

 

[partypoker]

the problem is that when dr paul talks about the economy he tends to talk about monetary problems and ignores the rest. sure, he talks about housing bubbles and stuff, bur all to often he sounds as if he thinks that monetary problems are the cause of all problems.

and they are not. i actually lived through 100% a day inflation so my guess is that i am more open to monetary explanations of economic woes than an average american. but the main problem comes from the fact that the economy is overly regulated. republican voters are much more willing to listen and agree about this. yet i dont' remember even seeing dr paul talk about this in a major public appearance (i saw him in longer interviews).

I agree. He needs to diversify his talk, but the main issue he should make himself out to be is one that stands for the a strong economy and will do everything in his power to ensure it does not fall apart.

 

[WilliamC]

The Problem As I See It

Everywhere I look, I see debt people.

People who are in debt up to their eyeballs for their house, their cars, their possessions.

People who think nothing of running up thousands on a credit card, 10's of thousands on car loans, hundreds of thousands on a mortgage.

People who think home equity is an ATM machine.

People who think by using credit cards and getting a 1% bonus they are beating the system.

People who have no savings.

People who live from paycheck to paycheck and consider themselves middle-class because they have a big screen TV with 300 channels.

Everywhere I look I see debt people, and these are the people voting our country into bankruptcy.

I'm not perfect, I've run my share of debt, and I still have a mortgage that I'm trying to pay off 20 years earlier than I have to.

But if the vast majority of people are STUPID enough, and yes I do mean STUPID enough to think living their personal lives deeply in debt is normal and smart thing to do, then why should I be surprised when they vote for politicians who promise them the moon on a 100 year payment plan?

Is it any wonder our country is 9 Trillion dollars in debt when now the average total household debt is 129% of average household income?
http://www.woodstockinst.org/blog/b...cumenting_disturbing_trends_in_household_debt

Keep fighting the good fight for Ron Paul. I will. But take care of you and yours first. You will never be rich with credit card payments, student loan payments, car payments, or mortgage payments.

Debt is a trap, and the debtor is slave to the lender. Get out of debt, get out of bondage, then you will be free to become wealthy if you chose, or at least have peace of mind.

Just my 2 cents.

Well, actually I'll keep those two cents and apply them to my mortgage

 

[partypoker]

Everywhere I look, I see debt people.

People who are in debt up to their eyeballs for their house, their cars, their possessions.

People who think nothing of running up thousands on a credit card, 10's of thousands on car loans, hundreds of thousands on a mortgage.

People who think home equity is an ATM machine.

People who think by using credit cards and getting a 1% bonus they are beating the system.

People who have no savings.

People who live from paycheck to paycheck and consider themselves middle-class because they have a big screen TV with 300 channels.

Everywhere I look I see debt people, and these are the people voting our country into bankruptcy.

I'm not perfect, I've run my share of debt, and I still have a mortgage that I'm trying to pay off 20 years earlier than I have to.

But if the vast majority of people are STUPID enough, and yes I do mean STUPID enough to think living their personal lives deeply in debt is normal and smart thing to do, then why should I be surprised when they vote for politicians who promise them the moon on a 100 year payment plan?

Is it any wonder our country is 9 Trillion dollars in debt when now the average total household debt is 129% of average household income?
http://www.woodstockinst.org/blog/b...cumenting_disturbing_trends_in_household_debt

Keep fighting the good fight for Ron Paul. I will. But take care of you and yours first. You will never be rich with credit card payments, student loan payments, car payments, or mortgage payments.

Debt is a trap, and the debtor is slave to the lender. Get out of debt, get out of bondage, then you will be free to become wealthy if you chose, or at least have peace of mind.

Just my 2 cents.

Well, actually I'll keep those two cents and apply them to my mortgage

most americans are fucked
the ones that saved are still fucked
the whole banking system might collapse
the wall street guys are laughing on the way out of the bank

 

[partypoker]

I'm going to keep bumping until everyone figures out that it's the economy and not the war.

This may not be obvious right now but it will be obvious within a month.

 

[mosquitobite]

I'm going to keep bumping until everyone figures out that it's the economy and not the war.

This may not be obvious right now but it will be obvious within a month.

Focus on the economy and Ron Paul's lobbyist money vs the other candidates (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?cycle=2008) in the red states, anti-war/anti-Patriot Act in the blue.

Tailor the message to the audience. Not pandering, just play up the positions they would agree with most!

Also, I think we should come up with a course of action for the grassroots and for the national campaign. IE the campaign tells us "you guys handle THIS, we'll handle THAT"

 

[michaelwise]

I would like to see commercials of families getting foreclosed on, empty food banks and homeless people. Blame it on The Federal Reserve and show that Ron Paul introduced a bill to abolish the Fed.

 

[partypoker]

I would like to see commercials of families getting foreclosed on, empty food banks and homeless people. Blame it on The Federal Reserve and show that Ron Paul introduced a bill to abolish the Fed.

lol

How about when the largest lender in the USA goes bankrupt?

Down 90% YTD.

 

[jacmicwag]

The big boys and girls are always fine-tuning their message (Hillary getting emotional) to better connect and get more votes. We can do the same to some extent. Michigan heard that giant sucking sound of jobs going overseas long ago. In Michigan, the state of the economy is a huge issue. This morning McCain promised new federal job programs to help out. We need a pitch but certainly not that one.

 

[partypoker]

The big boys and girls are always fine-tuning their message (Hillary getting emotional) to better connect and get more votes. We can do the same to some extent. Michigan heard that giant sucking sound of jobs going overseas long ago. In Michigan, the state of the economy is a huge issue. This morning McCain promised new federal job programs to help out. We need a pitch but certainly not that one.

Stress the economy but tie in other factors like reducing the military spending (overseas) by bringing troops home, protecting the borders (securing jobs even though this is controversial to libertarians we need republican votes), and going back to gold standard / eliminating the fed (reducing inflation and price inflation).

The economy should be issue #1.

All other issues should be secondary issues that further support the primary issue, the economy.

 

[hawkeyenick]

I'm going to keep bumping until everyone figures out that it's the economy and not the war.

This may not be obvious right now but it will be obvious within a month.

"listen to me because I know better than you, ignore facts"

That's what you're saying

The polls clearly show the war as the area we can make the most ground in other than name recognition

I don't care what your opinion is, the polls say otherwise

 

[partypoker]

"listen to me because I know better than you, ignore facts"

That's what you're saying

The polls clearly show the war as the area we can make the most ground in other than name recognition

I don't care what your opinion is, the polls say otherwise

Don't worry, the polls will soon change.

 

[hawkeyenick]

Don't worry, the polls will soon change.

sorry, but what people care about won't change soon

I'm really getting sick of talking to half-wits, people here don't want to win, they want to do it their way and it's making me feel like taking off. I mean really, you guys already got my vote in IA, what use am I now?

 

[partypoker]

Uh, did you not notice a 1000 point decline in the dow over the last week? The collapse of the stock market, aside from the 1 day rally which took place after 8 straight down days, is fact. The consequences to 401k's of retirement accounts will be fact. The housing collapse is FACT. The coming financial turmoil is FACT.

I'm not hyping anything, i'm stating a valid observation. The war message is NOT working, period. We need to refocus our message. The economy is headed for DISASTER and this is something that affects every single AMERICAN therefore this is the best way to spread our message of fiscal responsibility and central bank opposition.

I don't care what you're sick of.

 

[partypoker]

tttt

 

[stevedasbach]

Uh, did you not notice a 1000 point decline in the dow over the last week? The collapse of the stock market, aside from the 1 day rally which took place after 8 straight down days, is fact. The consequences to 401k's of retirement accounts will be fact. The housing collapse is FACT. The coming financial turmoil is FACT.

I'm not hyping anything, i'm stating a valid observation. The war message is NOT working, period. We need to refocus our message. The economy is headed for DISASTER and this is something that affects every single AMERICAN therefore this is the best way to spread our message of fiscal responsibility and central bank opposition.

I don't care what you're sick of.

While I agree that we should focus on the economy (and tie the war to that) I think it's wrong to say that the war message isn't working. The campaign hasn't tried stressing the war message, outside of debates. Their ads are about every issue except the war.

 

[AlexMerced]

the polls are very clear that we don't have the anti-war crowd, though I do agree ads connecting the economy and the war would be most effective

Something to the effect saying the terrorist attacked us economically by targeting the trade center which provoked us to spend more money spreading ourselves thin hurting our economy. If we keep fighting this war, the terrorist win.

I think that would work, the reverse fear tactic.