Its raining mea culpa in liberty land.

[Anti Federalist]

I love election season. The drama, the suspense, the intrigue!

I am very excited to vote hard.

 

[eleganz]

To answer your question, it's not so much a position he took that he didn't have before. It's that he wasn't communicating it before. In fact, he spent a good deal of time on the campaign trail over the past couple of years trying to play ball with the GOP establishment (and we were told he had to do this, be patient, it will all work out, it's a marathon not a sprint, etc.) Please don't tell me you don't remember all of those conversations on this site.

Ok I'm glad we're breaking this down so in the end we're all very clear.

So what positions did Rand "communicate" last night that he wasn't "communicating" on or off the stage at anytime in the past?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

In the last day there have been many :

"Oops I was wrong, Rand proved himself"

"Rand did better because he became more libertarian and didn't appease the establishment"

"The campaign is being run much better now"

"Campaign finally knows what they're doing"

"Rand finally did something about his low poll numbers"

"I admit I was wrong about Rand"

yada yada yada


The campaign didn't do anything and Rand didn't change, he has always been the same. The only ones changing are those that RAN when the town was attacked and RAN BACK when the alcohol flowed.

You're changing...not Rand, its only because of the timing during the debate and certain favorable conditions that allowed him to differentiate himself. Every campaign walks in with certain strategies, some get the opportunity to say what they want and get the reaction they want and some don't. It doesn't mean their campaigns are bad or don't know what they are doing. Rand or his campaign didn't just turn on a switch from establishment pussy to libertarian boss (like many appear to believe).

So anyway, today is a good day for the liberty movement. Everyone will cheerlead and be happy and give a ton of +reps, pat each other on the back, share articles and donate but what happens the next time if the town wall goes down? Will you run or will you stand?

 

[dusman]

Rand's positions haven't changed, but I think it's evident his delivery has. That's not unusual.. most of the candidates are shifting delivery, most notably Trump.

It's a good lesson for Rand. He didn't really say anything different, but his timing was quite impeccable this time. That's partly to do their being less people on the stage, most certainly. When a candidate forces their way like Kasich, it comes off brash and that's closer to where most viewers viewed Rand the first debate. If you don't force your way at all, you get lost in the debates like Jeb. Rand found that sweet spot in the middle.

I'm most excited, not that Rand supposedly returned to his roots (I agree that his message hasn't changed), but rather he's very quickly learning what he has to do differently. You can see him always calculating and I'm sure he's like an NFL quarterback watching footage for areas of improvement. We already know he is an avid reader and his efforts with his staff on TPP really, really paid off this debate.

I think as these debates become more substantive and voters are more interested in that over style.. that is where Rand will shine because I don't think there is any question he is probably the most knowledgeable on the broad set of issues while still maintaining core principles.

I'm excited. Long-time members are excited. Those who've been active this campaign are excited. Let's do our part and stay engaged.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Ok I'm glad we're breaking this down so in the end we're all very clear.

So what positions did Rand "communicate" last night that he wasn't "communicating" on or off the stage at anytime in the past?

Let me turn this around on you, eleganz. Why do you think the polls say Rand did better last night? What is the reason for that in your opinion?

 

[eleganz]

Let me turn this around on you, eleganz. Why do you think the polls say Rand did better last night? What is the reason for that in your opinion?

Was the question I asked, not clear enough? Too difficult to respond to?

I put it pretty thoroughly in several posts why I think Rand had a much better night. He had a moment, the conditions were right for him to use one of many talking points that he had already been using and most likely wanted to use last night. A good delivery sometimes is also complimented with a good set up.

Every campaign wants to have a moment and every campaign likely plans for it but not every campaign gets exactly what they want because a lot of it is dependent on the conditions and dynamics of the debate stage.

 

[afwjam]

Ok I'm glad we're breaking this down so in the end we're all very clear.

So what positions did Rand "communicate" last night that he wasn't "communicating" on or off the stage at anytime in the past?

Not to beat a dead horse here, but he has not really been talking about the Federal Reseve since he started this presidential campaign. It seemed like even Cruz talked about this issue more, and many like myself consider it to be THE ISSUE. It's the type of issue that people need to be educated on, so I damn well hope he tries to educate people like his father did, instead of just trying to politic himself into the presidency with funny ideas like proposed increases in military spending. I hope that I know Rand to be true to the faith like his father, but if we are going to change things we damn well better talk about it rather then relying on political tricks. I don't think the political infighting your promoting here is at all beneficial, it does not offend me but it saddens me and I expect more from this movement.

Edit:
I for one am thankful for Rands good debate performance and performance in general the last few weeks or so and I am very happy to see so many old timers around. I had been around the whole time and donating money, I just had not been very inspired into posting or participating from his rhetoric. From a video making perspective rands stuff just did not sound very inspirational from this campaign, it's getting better all the time, you have to admit he's catching on!

 

[CPUd]

Rand Paul Supports an Audit of the Federal Reserve

The Federal Reserve was created by Congress and is supposed to be overseen by Congress. The Fed is now in every nook and cranny of banking with unprecedented regulatory powers and no Congressional oversight. I believe the Fed should be audited and the regulatory power should be placed back under the control of Congress.

A complete and thorough audit of the Fed will finally allow the American people to know exactly how their money is being spent by Washington. For too long, the Fed has been operating under a cloak of secrecy. The American people have a right to know what the Federal Reserve is doing with our nation's money supply.

I will continue my fight to audit the Fed and restore transparency and fiscal sanity to our nation’s checkbook.

https://randpaul.com/issue/audit-the-fed

 

[afwjam]

https://randpaul.com/issue/audit-the-fed

That's great, but where's the talk of the Austrian business cycle, booms and busts, market distortion? Can he help explain the dangers of fiat currency a little better, the effects of inflation that people already notice? What does he plan to do about it? Gold standard? Competing currency? Crypto currency? I think this is more important then the tax plan, if we fix the fed issue and get out of debt we could eliminate the income tax.

 

[eleganz]

Not to beat a dead horse here, but he has not really been talking about the Federal Reseve since he started this presidential campaign. It seemed like even Cruz talked about this issue more, and many like myself consider it to be THE ISSUE.

The "money changers" would disagree





Oh and last night the Cruzer said he would not let government bail out Bank of America but he verbally tap danced around letting the federal reserve do it.

So yea, Cruzer definitely "gets" the FED.

 

[afwjam]

The "money changers" would disagree





Oh and last night the Cruzer said he would not let government bail out Bank of America but he verbally tap danced around letting the federal reserve do it.

So yea, Cruzer definitely "gets" the FED.

I know all this, I wouldn't dare believe anything Cruz says. Why are you trying to pick a fight with your own? Is it so important that you defend Rand from the deafening silence that was this message board up until yesterday?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Not to beat a dead horse here, but he has not really been talking about the Federal Reseve since he started this presidential campaign. It seemed like even Cruz talked about this issue more, and many like myself consider it to be THE ISSUE

 

[eleganz]

That's great, but where's the talk of the Austrian business cycle, booms and busts, market distortion? Can he help explain the dangers of fiat currency a little better, the effects of inflation that people already notice? What does he plan to do about it? Gold standard? Competing currency? Crypto currency? I think this is more important then the tax plan, if we fix the fed issue and get out of debt we could eliminate the income tax.

I don't know if you're just really busy at work or not paying attention. Most of what you just mentioned is discussed below by Rand on television.

 

[eleganz]

I know all this, I wouldn't dare believe anything Cruz says. Why are you trying to pick a fight with your own? Is it so important that you defend Rand from the deafening silence that was this message board up until yesterday?

If you don't believe anything Cruz says, why did you use him as a comparison saying it seemed he talked about the FED more than Rand? Are you contradicting yourself?

You know, I was trying to be reasonable and left the rest of your post out of my quote on purpose and I didn't respond to it since I didn't want to take it to "that level". You asked why Rand is not talking about the FED and you were answered.

If you don't want the answer, don't ask the question.

 

[francisco]

I am very excited to vote hard.

I myself am "hardly voting". The one exception I'll make, will be to vote for Rand.

 

[dusman]

That's great, but where's the talk of the Austrian business cycle, booms and busts, market distortion? Can he help explain the dangers of fiat currency a little better, the effects of inflation that people already notice? What does he plan to do about it? Gold standard? Competing currency? Crypto currency? I think this is more important then the tax plan, if we fix the fed issue and get out of debt we could eliminate the income tax.

I do empathize with your position, I really do. However, I think we do a disservice to the liberty movement expecting Rand to be Ron Paul 2.0. Ron moved the needle philosophically and now Rand has an opportunity to show how it can be practically applied in a broader sense. Ron Paul spoke directly on those things, but only those of us who truly opened up to Ron Paul as a candidate took the further steps necessary to even comprehend what he was talking about.

Those topics are certainly not effective to be discussed in 90 second sound bites on a debate stage... I feel that the objective in 2016 is far more broad than an educational campaign. I think the current field of candidates on both sides... this may turn into a better opportunity than 2012 and I'm pretty satisfied so far with Rand's approach.. with the exception of how the campaign uses technology/marketing which I have some issues with.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Was the question I asked, not clear enough? Too difficult to respond to?

I put it pretty thoroughly in several posts why I think Rand had a much better night. He had a moment, the conditions were right for him to use one of many talking points that he had already been using and most likely wanted to use last night. A good delivery sometimes is also complimented with a good set up.

Every campaign wants to have a moment and every campaign likely plans for it but not every campaign gets exactly what they want because a lot of it is dependent on the conditions and dynamics of the debate stage.

Was I not clear enough for you?

Over the past 2-3 years, Rand has given speeches, he's made comments, he's given interviews, and some of the things he's said at those times have made me (and others) cringe. Yes, eleganz....there were times when Rand sounded like he was more interested in courting the GOP establishment than in keeping his father's base happy. I'm not going to spell out each and every one of those examples for you. I don't really want to rehash them because I'm happy that Rand is back on track. Yes, back on track.

Deal with it.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I'll bet you that tomorrow Raimondo makes another of his radical flip-flops on Rand.

...Rand's "new" anti-war comments having given him a tingle up his skirt.

And, consequently, I will continue to hate him and his goldfish-like attention span.

 

[afwjam]

I appreciate what your saying Dusman and I was not really complaining before. It's just pretty obvious to me why everyone came out of the woodwork yesterday for Rand and I think it's a good thing and involved more of what I'm asking for. What amazes me is why somebody would climb up on a high horse and attack people for showing up, or in my case just posting more. I like where Rand is going, and that's why I piped up. Eleganz I don't believe Cruz, but it does seem like he brought up the Fed more in debates and other public specticles more then Rand was. I reserve the right to be wrong, don't crucify me for it please. I do have a life and I had not seen that recent clip, but that's exactly the point he needs to be piping up about it and other injustices a lot more. The more the better and I do think this outpouring of support on the forums is a result of stuffing the right content into 90 second sound bytes and that's great! Though I love Ron's quote "truth is treason in the empire of lies" I would like to optimistically believe that people like the truth, certainly among his base as you can see. People are more fed up with the establishment line then ever.

 

[eleganz]

Was I not clear enough for you?

Over the past 2-3 years, Rand has given speeches, he's made comments, he's given interviews, and some of the things he's said at those times have made me (and others) cringe. Yes, eleganz....there were times when Rand sounded like he was more interested in courting the GOP establishment than in keeping his father's base happy. I'm not going to spell out each and every one of those examples for you. I don't really want to rehash them because I'm happy that Rand is back on track. Yes, back on track.

Deal with it.

You originally responded to my question (you know after I made sure it was attack-free) with a question and I answered you.

You have not given one single example of how the positions Rand took last night during the debate were not communicated in the past.