It's official. No more Challengers or Chargers. EV golf carts only

They're not "electric". They're coal and/or natural gas powered.

Idiocracy and Atlas Shrugged were documentaries. The modern world is the dumbest time to be alive. It's great for modern medicine, and modern conveniences, but the social paradigm is completely asinine.
 
They're not "electric". They're coal and/or natural gas powered.

Idiocracy and Atlas Shrugged were documentaries. The modern world is the dumbest time to be alive. It's great for modern medicine, and modern conveniences, but the social paradigm is completely asinine.

Of course, some of us rather like coal-powered vehicles.

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It's a funny thing that those who despise coal-powered vehicles the most have the least clue if they're riding in one or not.
 
Of course, some of us rather like coal-powered vehicles.

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It's a funny thing that those who despise coal-powered vehicles the most have the least clue if they're riding in one or not.

I love steam trains. Although perhaps not for utility *(I do not use any trains really, or public transport for that matter).
So maybe the Charger should remain a fuel vehicle, as that is what it is...
 
I love steam trains. Although perhaps not for utility

They aren't so great at hauling freight. But I think they should be brought back for passenger service, for the same reason passenger trains were streamlined. No, not because steamers cut through the air better. As an employee of either the Union Pacific or the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy said to someone who was asking about the finer points of slicing through the air in 1934, streamlining wasn't about wind resistance. It was about reducing customer resistance.

You aren't the only person who doesn't much ride trains, but just might if there was a steam-hauled sample handy.

What this has to do with Dodges I'm sure I don't know. But I like to share that theory.
 
That depends on your point of view. Is a generator with its shaft connected to the flywheel a real transmission?

Most gearheads say no, no. But any real railroader says yes, yes.

Most transmissions use Gears..
and though they have not released any Specs,, some can be deduced.. It is ALL Wheel Drive.
Shift points are Artificially Software generated,, to the 4 independent motors. Likely Hub Motors.
(could use 2 motors and a drive axle, but I think 4 with Performance in mind)

Just as the sound is artificially generated.
 
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You won't "own" a car - you'll request one to pick you up and take you where you want to go. You won't pay for fuel, maintenance, or insurance directly... that'll be wrapped up in the price of the mobility "service".

To be fair, that model of transportation makes much more sense than everyone having a car that sits unused taking up space 95% of the time.

For urban users anyway.

And if you happen to cross the line in your political beliefs or activities and wind up on the wrong side of "the law", you will be picked up and routed to the nearest detention facility.

Exercising your "privilege" of travel already carries this risk, with license plate scanners and what-not.
 
Golf Cart? with a 3.5sec ,,0 to 60

https://aptera.us/

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Start price $25,900
Configured with Camping package and 600 mi. battery pack and other options (my build) is around $38,600.

Competitive Pricing,, and I do like this design.

That's pretty cool if it works as advertised.

I remain skeptical.
 
That's pretty cool if it works as advertised.

I remain skeptical.

I'm sure it works a damned sight better than any new four-wheeler electric sold in the U.S. because legally, it's a motorcycle.

Therefore, no air bags, no monster bumpers that absorb jogging-speed impacts, no side door guard beams, no...

Well, the list is very long. But those three items have already saved somewhere between 500 and 1000 pounds.
 
They're not "electric". They're coal and/or natural gas powered.

Idiocracy and Atlas Shrugged were documentaries. The modern world is the dumbest time to be alive. It's great for modern medicine, and modern conveniences, but the social paradigm is completely asinine.

Or nukes.
 
They're not "electric". They're coal and/or natural gas powered.

The Model I posted has Solar Collectors built in.. can run 40 miles on the sun every day.

I lived in Sherman County Or.. Power there is wind,, and every resident gets a dividend check. ($500)

Most here is Hydroelectric.. as was my home in Michigan.

we sell our coal offshore.
 
To be fair, that model of transportation makes much more sense than everyone having a car that sits unused taking up space 95% of the time.

If it's your choice, then sure. It'd be interesting to see how many people would pay the premium to actually "own" their means of transportation. What I suspect is that they'll make it more and more difficult and cost-prohibitive for anyone but the wealthy to have that level of freedom.
 
Celebrating a Death

https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2022/08/16/celebrating-a-death/

By eric - August 16, 2022

How does one “celebrate” a death?

It’s an odd choice of words given the death is more like a murder – the unnatural ending of the lives of the Dodge Charger and Challenger, which should have been around for many years to come but won’t be around after the end of next year – courtesy of the Things in Washington that signed their death warrants.

They will be replaced by more “eco-friendly” electric cars – air-fingers-quotation marks to emphasize the lie of the thing, since there is nothing “eco friendly” about replacing a 500 pound V8 engine – as in the Charger and Challenger – with a 1,000-plus pounds of environmentally hazardous materials that consume a gratuitously excessive amount of power – in the form electricity that is generated almost entirely by burning hydrocarbon fuels, just like a V8 engine.

The only thing “eco” about these electric cars is the fraudulent sales pitch.

Here it is worth a mention that VW got Hut! Hut! Hutted! by the federal government for marketing what were styled “clean” diesels – because they produced fractionally more oxides of nitrogen, a byproduct of combustion, under full throttle – and because VW installed “cheat” software that caused this fractional difference in NOx emissions to pass unnoticed on federal emissions certification tests.

Now, these VW diesels were “clean” – in that they burned very little fuel per mile (most were capable of going more than 50 miles on a gallon of fuel) and that alone reduced the quantity of gasses they “emitted” substantially.

Being diesels, their engines would go 200,000-plus miles before needing to be replaced – as opposed to replacing the EV’s 1,000-plus pound battery pack at least once by then.

VW’s diesels were far more “eco-friendly” than electric cars that require 1,000-plus pounds of environmentally toxic materials to store a massive amount of electricity that must be regularly replenished via the energy-intensive combustion of hydrocarbon fuels that – when burned – results in more gasses being produced. The same gasses allegedly responsible for the “climate change” these Things assert must be averted by killing off V8-powered cars like the Dodge Charger and Challenger. And not just them, either. The Chrysler 300 is closely related to the Charger; if the Charger goes, so does Chrysler probably.

It is idiocy and outrage combined.

And it may well result in the ending of Dodge, too – as Dodge without the Charger and Challenger in the lineup is a car company with only one other model left in its lineup, that one being the Durango SUV. Which is also expected to walk the Green Mile, for it is also powered by the same V8 that Dodge can no longer offer in the Charger and Challenger.

Well, there may still be Dodges called Chargers and Challengers after 2023 – but without the V8s (and with battery-electric propulsion) they become something in-name-only. Something the same as every other “electrified” everything else. How many of the same thing can the market support?

Dodge sold more than 3 million Challengers and Chargers because the people who bought them wanted something different.

And different they were.

Uniquely in the modern era, these big bruisers offered big V8s, the kind of powerplant that once defined American cars – and which most Americans could afford, once-upon-a-better-time.

Three-plus million people did not buy these cars because they were “eco friendly” – but because they were a Bruce Lee thorax punch to that cloying bullshit, even though they weren’t bad for the “environment,” either. See that point made earlier about the 500 pound V8 vs. the 1,000-plus pounds of earth-raped materials and keeping the big brick powered up. Not to mention the much shorter operational lifespan of the 1,000-plus pounds of earth-raped materials that will have to be replaced – more earth rape, as for example endless fields of earth-ruinous brine leaching to extract lithium – years before a V8 reaches its functional dotage (usually 12-15 years and often much longer with decent treatment).

Without those V8s – no matter how powerful their “electrified” replacements turn out to be – they will just be another iteration of the same thing.

Dodge is being forced, in other words, to kill off the thing that made the brand desirable to those who bought the cars – in order to appease the sanctimony of those who hate cars and will cackle over Dodge’s open grave like Hillary when she heard about what her minions had done to Muammar Quadaffi.

So light a candle.

Before the last Charger or Challenger rolls off the assembly line in Brampton (in Ontario, Canada) Dodge will “celebrate” their end by embossing each 2023 model with a Last Call plaque and by resurrecting, for one last time, colors such as Sublime and Plum Crazy. V8 models will also carry special “345” badges – to reflect cubic inches, not liters – as American cars once proudly boasted.

In the future, it will be kilowatt-hours . . . just like your microwave.

The ultimate Last Call model will be the Jailbreak Edition – which packages the supercharged, 807 horsepower Hemi V8 with Wide-Body flared fenders, sidepipe exhaust and the classic color schemes, too.

“Three million cars, a billion horsepower and a lot of really happy customers that helped build our brand,” says Dodge CEO Tim Kuniskis. “We’re going to make sure that we do that (he means, the funeral) right.”

Mourn for what was – and which didn’t have to go. Courtesy of the Things that are responsible for making them go.

God damn them every one of them.
 
Electric boilers ? :upsidedown:

But yes I know, I actually have experience shovelling coal into the furnace of an operational steam train before.
I used to own a few model steam engines as a kid too, but those ran on Esbit, also known as Hexamine.

+ rep

Whether anyone likes it or not, the modern world exists BECAUSE of hydrocarbons and coal (and I for one love it, and consider it a blessing I thank God for every single morning). Our lives are made better by orders of magnitude because of them, and they have done so in such a manner that hardly anyone is even aware of it.

While I walked away from the O&G industry recently, I am proud to have been a small part of it, and to have played a role in making the world a better place. It is a TRAGEDY that so many people are now literally tearing at the edifice which makes our modern world, with all of it's comforts and conveniences and advancements, a possibility. We have a large segment of our civilization who are actively working to make the world a far more miserable place, and they don't even realize it.
 
I used to own a few model steam engines as a kid too, but those ran on Esbit, also known as Hexamine.

That's the beauty of them. They'll run on any source of heat you can get into the firebox. They almost exclusively on coal over your way, but in the U.S. they started out burning wood, and a great many ran on oil. There's a group that set out to respre an amazing Santa Fe Hudson (3463) so they can run her on hydrogen.

And I have bad news for the Germans. She was fast enough that if and when they ever get her finished, they could use her to steal the steam locomotive speed record.
 
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I understand your position and point. Growing up on a Coal Dock refueling Lake freighters,,smudged with coal dust.
I remember that "Warm Morning" loaded and lit in the morning.
I grew up there.

my perspective is not "Green" despite my druidic nature.. No,, I simply Hate Waste,,(I'm Conservative) and I watched the 70s happen and would love to see Saudi Arabia be an empty desert again..

also,,some of the Vehicles made possible by the new tech,,is stuff I was designing in my teens. and I like seeing it come to life. (even if it ain't mine)

It opens a lot of Possibility..
and we have developed a Dependency.. and that is never good.
Electricity can preserve independence,, decentralize power..

I see Your horrible reality as full of possibilities for liberty..

They will try to control that no doubt.
 
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