Its Happening....Zombies.

[Working Poor]

Victims of zombies are supposed to turn into zombies too, right? Keep us posted if the victims of these attacks rise from the grave and start going on the attack.

I bet the health care workers are concerned about the victim rising up and doing the same thing that was done to him. I know I would be concerned about it if I was taking care of him.

You know it still has not been confirmed that he was on some type of drug. Only speculation right now. I cannot believe that they did not push the tox screen thru by now.

 

[r3volution]

2 more
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/maryland-killer-eats-victim-678923

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...p-man-warned-The-Sun-I-cant-stop-killing.html

 

[r3volution]

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[heavenlyboy34]

2 more
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/maryland-killer-eats-victim-678923

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...p-man-warned-The-Sun-I-cant-stop-killing.html

 

[wrestlingwes_8]

The mods continually move informative threads to Hot Topics but allow this one to stay for over 140 posts?

 

[MelissaWV]

Did you report it?

 

[xFiFtyOnE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh_nZiuFC4o

Bath salts are crazy scary. what is the appeal of this drug? It makes you insane? Skip ahead in the video to see the guy.

Also this whole story is very disturbing. I havent been able to stop thinking about this since I heard it on the news. I need more details on what happened.

Also did anyone see the pictures of the victim? There online. Absolutely horrific. They say he lost 75% of his face. How do you even measure that? In the photo all that is left is the guys beard.

Whats the world coming too.

Alot of the crap they were showing on that youtube video was not "bath salts". It was "herbal incense". Both are equally probably bad for you but I know from experience that "herbal incense" doesn't make you crazy. It mimics marijuana usage symptoms. I think the "bath salts" are suppose to be hallucinogens, I'm not really sure. I just want people to stop confusing the two!

 

[Jingles]

I've been playing soooo much DayZ? Anyone else here been playing this Arma II:CO mod?

 

[WhistlinDave]

The Dumb And Dangerous Anti-Drug Propaganda In The Miami Zombie Story (Alternet Article)

 

[r3volution]

Alot of the crap they were showing on that youtube video was not "bath salts". It was "herbal incense". Both are equally probably bad for you but I know from experience that "herbal incense" doesn't make you crazy. It mimics marijuana usage symptoms. I think the "bath salts" are suppose to be hallucinogens, I'm not really sure. I just want people to stop confusing the two!

they both make you hallucinate , i think that is why people get them confused . 1 looks like salt and the other looks like potpourri , neither are anything like smoking weed . i wish people would stop comparing them to weed or calling them "synthetic marijuana" . even my local news keeps calling it that .

 

[tod evans]

Only stuff that ever gave me true hallucinations was 25 and peyote, shrooms even in large doses never caused me to see things other than trails.

"The News" plays on their own purpose generated fear of "drugs" and there's not much anyone can do for those who fall for it.

they both make you hallucinate , i think that is why people get them confused . 1 looks like salt and the other looks like potpourri , neither are anything like smoking weed . i wish people would stop comparing them to weed or calling them "synthetic marijuana" . even my local news keeps calling it that .

 

[Jingles]

Can I rant here? I don't use drugs anymore, but this is all being blamed on "bath salts". Which basically a legal way for headshops and etc... to sell mdpv and 4mmc without restrictions from the state because they label it as "not for human consummation". I've done both of these drugs in large amounts and/or long periods time. I never ate faces or etc... MDPV is basically meth without euphoria. It isn't fun, but being stimmed the hell out doesn't case violence (maybe it involves a lot of talking/analyzing your life, but not violence). 4mmc is is a stim with some effect similar to mdma (Some stim effects, but has many entactogenic effects). Drugs do not cause violence crazy people do.

Then there is the whole "HE WAS ON PCP" stereotype. PCP does not cause violence or cannibalism. I have smoked quite a bit of pcp in my day and have had nothing but fun on the substance. Drugs don't cause violence people do. I always laugh at people who blame things on drugs that have never even done the drugs they are blaming...

 

[r3volution]

Can I rant here? I don't use drugs anymore, but this is all being blamed on "bath salts". Which basically a legal way for headshops and etc... to sell mdpv and 4mmc without restrictions from the state because they label it as "not for human consummation". I've done both of these drugs in large amounts and/or long periods time. I never ate faces or etc... MDPV is basically meth without euphoria. It isn't fun, but being stimmed the hell out doesn't case violence (maybe it involves a lot of talking/analyzing your life, but not violence). 4mmc is is a stim with some effect similar to mdma (Some stim effects, but has many entactogenic effects). Drugs do not cause violence crazy people do.

Then there is the whole "HE WAS ON PCP" stereotype. PCP does not cause violence or cannibalism. I have smoked quite a bit of pcp in my day and have had nothing but fun on the substance. Drugs don't cause violence people do. I always laugh at people who blame things on drugs that have never even done the drugs they are blaming...

well said . there is a lot of miss-info out there and most of it is intentional .

 

[heavenlyboy34]

The mods continually move informative threads to Hot Topics but allow this one to stay for over 140 posts?

CONSPIRACY!!!

 

[jmdrake]

Weird story...since there are so many forum members speaking out against cops...was the police justified in shooting an unarmed naked man?

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/26/2818832/naked-man-shot-killed-on-macarthur.html

For the record, I've never seen anyone here complain about the police using deadly force against someone who was actively in the process of killing or seriously hurting someone else. But hey, what's a little hyperbole among friends right? What most people don't accept are the "Well that middle aged school teacher who was driving away from the cop might have attacked someone later and chewed his face off" arguments.

 

[Carson]

 

[QuickZ06]

The mods continually move informative threads to Hot Topics but allow this one to stay for over 140 posts?

They have moved it back and forth twice............

 

[xFiFtyOnE]

they both make you hallucinate , i think that is why people get them confused . 1 looks like salt and the other looks like potpourri , neither are anything like smoking weed . i wish people would stop comparing them to weed or calling them "synthetic marijuana" . even my local news keeps calling it that .

The herbal incense doesn't make you hallucinate and it's very similar to weed. I've tried over a dozen different brands and haven't tripped out, hallucinated or ate anyones face yet. You must be getting bad stuff.

 

[WhistlinDave]

The Dumb and Dangerous Anti-Drug Propaganda in the Miami Zombie Story

The Dumb and Dangerous Anti-Drug Propaganda in the Miami Zombie Story
By Kristen Gwynne, AlterNet
Posted on May 31, 2012, Printed on June 6, 2012
http://www.alternet.org/story/15567...nti-drug_propaganda_in_the_miami_zombie_story

Rarely does a story excite the media as much as a scary drug story -- a person supposedly crazed and made violent by some mysterious concoction. The problem is these stories, often hugely hysterical, are rarely true, and spread dangerous misinformation about drugs, which is surely the case with the so-called "Miami Zombie."

Media outlets are reporting that Rudy Eugene, a.k.a. the "Miami Zombie," who chewed a man’s face off (and even ate his eyeballs) did so because he was "overdosing" on bath salts, "a new potent form of LSD," and maybe also cocaine. These reports are based entirely on speculation by police spokesmen and media excited to fan the flames of fear in Miami. No toxicology tests were performed, no drug paraphernalia found on the scene.

Bath salts are not “the new LSD,” and calling them the new LSD is propaganda for the media to gobble up. Bath salts and LSD have almost nothing in common chemically, and there is no hard evidence (outside of one police spokesman's speculation) that Rudy Eugene was high on anything. Not only are his statements not supported by science, they are at odds with common sense.

But the media love a good drug scare story, so they’re repeating the statements of one Miami cop, Armando Aguilar. Here are some of his statements:

ABC News: Armando Aguilar, president of the Miami Fraternal Order of Police, who has been in contact with the officer who killed Eugene, says the similarities between this and other recent cases involving "bath salts" are striking. "The cases are similar minus a man eating another. People taking off their clothes. People suddenly have super human strength," says Aguilar. "They become violent and they are burning up for the inside. Their organs are reaching a level that most would die. By the time police approach them they are a walking dead person.”

WSVN-TV: Police said the attacker may have likely been overdosing on a new potent form of LSD. "What's happening is whenever we see that a person has taken all of his clothes off and has become violent, it's indicative of this excited delirium that's caused by overdose of drugs," said Armando Aguilar of the Miami Fraternal Order of Police.

CBS Miami: “I have a message for whoever is selling it out there,” said Aguilar. “You can be arrested for murder if you are selling this (new) LSD to people, unsuspecting people on the street and somebody ends up dying as a result you will be charged with murder.”

In addition to Aguilar, the media has added an emergency physician to the dialogue, someone whose medical knowledge does not include drug reactions. ABC News (and other media) quotes Dr. Paul Adams, a doctor at the Jackson Memorial Rider Trauma Center in Miami:

"You can call it the new LSD. It's a recreational drug. They [patients] seem to be unaware of their surroundings. They are not rational, very aggressive and are stronger than they usually are. In the emergency room it usually takes four to five people to control them, and we have had a couple of people breaking out of restraints."

To tackle the misinformation one step at a time:

To use the words bath salts and LSD interchangeably is completely inaccurate: A real drug expert, Nathan Messer of the drug information organization DanceSafe.org, explained to AlterNet the difference between bath salts (which typically contain new synthetic cathinones like MDPV) and LSD, a psychedelic tryptamine.

“MDPV has almost none of of the same hallucinogenic/psychedelic properties, activates different receptors in the brain, and is more closely associated with amphetamines in terms of activity and effects,” said Messer. “It also has a very short duration of around an hour. They may be saying it's like LSD because in high doses or after long binges it can cause symptoms very similar to amphetamine psychosis, which include auditory and visual hallucinations. It should be noted, however, that these sorts of hallucinations are nothing like those reported by users of LSD or other tryptamines.”

LSD is a relatively benign substance that, while also occasionally linked to erratic behavior, also shows great therapeutic benefits. LSD has been proven to assist in curing alcoholism, depression and anxiety, debilitating cluster headaches, and post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), among other ailments. There is little or no evidence that LSD produces dramatic aberrant behavior.

One problem in drug hysteria, or even in situations when there is medical harm taking drugs, is that unscrupulous dealers are often producing and selling drugs that are cut with other chemicals, and may have little in common with pure forms of drugs. This is especially true when one form of a drug is made illegal, and whomever is creating this stuff in labs makes up some new combination and throws it out on the street. In other rare cases people do have strong medical reactions to various drugs, not unlike when people are allergic to seemingly benign substances like peanuts. The use of the term "excited delirium" is noteworthy in the Miami case. Excited delirium can be a phrase police use to justify force. But the term is not a medically recognized condition.

Bath salts-related calls to poison control centers have spiked over the past year, and the public needs to be concerned with some of the reported side effects; still it is unclear under what circumstances they arise. Synthesized in the late ‘60s and popularized in recent years, bath salts were legal until the Drug Enforcement Agency enacted a temporary ban on them last year.

To get around the ban, the illegal ingredients are being replaced by other chemicals so the stuff can be sold in stores. Basically, we don’t even know what’s in bath salts, which are not regulated even when branded because they are marked “not for human consumption” -- nor do we know very much about how they work. But the total ban, which will likely be broadened to encompass synthetic marijuana and other “new drugs,” will only make research that could provide crucial information more difficult. Of the thousands who have tried bath salts, there have been relatively few incidents remotely like this one.

Drug scare stories, however, keep us afraid. It's likely that Rudy Eugene was suffering from mental illness, even if he might also have been on drugs. Horrible situations we don’t understand are easiest to blame on drugs we don’t know much about. It makes the source of violence a substance that we can simply try to do away with and ban. It is not homelessness, poverty, mental illness, that causes the violent break, but rather bath salts, LSD, speed, and coke. As Jacob Sullum at Reason pointed out, years ago, we would have blamed it all on weed.

 

[r3volution]

oh boy , now it was not bath salts . he was just smoking pot http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/06/0...ble-had-recently-smoked-pot-when-he-attacked/

oh ya , was reading the bible .