It's all about the Delegates, baby...

drummergirl

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This is why it's not over until the fat lady sings...

To get the nomination on the first round of balloting in Tampa, a candidate needs the support of at least 5 state delegations and a total of 1144 votes. We've all heard that now about a thousand times.

Most people walk around under the impression that however the vote turns out in their state primary, those votes are magically transformed into bound delegates at the national convention. That is not how it works. It's actually a pretty cool system with it's roots in the way the founding fathers wrote our constitution.

It's all about the DELEGATES. They are not robots; they are people.

Republican Party Rule 15 deals with their selection and binding. Here's the first part:

RULE NO. 15
Election, Selection, Allocation, or Binding of
Delegates and Alternate Delegates
(a) Order of Precedence.
Delegates at large and their
alternate delegates and delegates from Congressional
districts and their alternate delegates to the national
convention shall be elected, selected, allocated, or
bound in the following manner:
(1) In accordance with any
applicable Republican Party rules of a state, insofar as
the same are not inconsistent with these rules; or
(2) To the extent not provided for in
the applicable Republican Party rules of a state, in
accordance with any applicable laws of a state, insofar
as the same are not inconsistent with these rules; or
(3) By a combination of the
methods set forth in paragraphs (a)(1) or (a)(2) of this
rule; or
(4) To the extent not provided by
state law or party rules, as set forth in paragraph (d) of
this rule.

Which is to say, the state republican parties choose their delegates and bind them according to that state's party rules and laws.

Each state updates their party rules at their STATE CONVENTION. This means that regardless of what the voters said in the primary, the state convention can do pretty much whatever they want as long as they have the votes and organization to get it done. The caveat being that the state convention has to follow the existing rules for modifying the rules (in some cases a 2/3 vote required).

And of course, delegates to the state conventions, along with various party positions like state committee members, county chairs, etc. are determined at district or county conventions (depending on state).

So... Ron Paul delegates selected at precinct conventions/caucuses leads to Ron Paul delegates at district conventions, which leads to Ron Paul delegates at state conventions, which leads to Ron Paul delegates in Tampa.

The strategy relies on the fact that Ron Paul supporters are hard core and willing to do anything the law allows to get our guy elected. In contrast, Romney supporters are just flipping the lever for him because they feel disenfranchised with no other choice. Try to get a dozen Romney supporters to show up at a meeting. Even with free food, half of them will stay home to watch sitcoms on TV.

So stay the course!
 
This coming from someone that joined a month ago.

BRAVO!

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Some of you noobs and senior RPF members could stand to learn from drummergirl.
 
I think that the changes in the rules would be for the NEXT CYCLE. As far as I know the rules have already been determined for this cycle and bound delegates cannot become unbound on the first round. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Remember, it's the delegates that ultimately make up the rules at the convention. Don't let anyone else say otherwise.
 
I think that the changes in the rules would be for the NEXT CYCLE. As far as I know the rules have already been determined for this cycle and bound delegates cannot become unbound on the first round. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Any modifications to the rules have to be made according to the procedures in the existing rules. And no rules can be made that violate the National Republican Party Rules. The national rules are quite clear on selecting delegates; the final say is each state convention. Some state rules would require a simple majority for that type of rule change, some are 2/3. You have to read your state party rules to know.

Keep in mind, the state convention as a whole can do anything that a committee can do. The reason we have committees to sort through the details is twofold. 1) It would be tedious to go through all those details as a whole body. 2) It gives the county or district chairs that make the committee appointments more power. The more people in the process that are Ron Paul supporters, the better we do. For instance, if there were enough Ron Paul supporters to get a majority on the state rules committee, they could propose a rule change to unbind the delegates and allow them to vote their conscience or bind themselves as they see fit. Then that rule change would be in the committee report put before the convention, debated and voted on.

There are also ways to bring a timely motion from the floor of the convention to do a rule change. It's more difficult and takes some planning and organizing. Oh yeah, and Texas sized balls help too.
 
RNC delegates are autonomous and they are human beings. Also Rominator needs >50% delegation from each state to get to 1144. He will not need all 50 because of superdelegates and winner take all. The more states that have our people as delegates the better chance we have to win this thing.
 
I want to bump this because I believe we really need to mobilize the troops into changing the rules at the state convention on the issue of binding delegates. It can be done. We have 74% of the seats at the Louisiana State Convention and I'm hoping we change some rules there about the binding of delegates from the primary results.
 
I want to bump this because I believe we really need to mobilize the troops into changing the rules at the state convention on the issue of binding delegates. It can be done. We have 74% of the seats at the Louisiana State Convention and I'm hoping we change some rules there about the binding of delegates from the primary results.
We have 74% of the elected delegates to the state convention. We don't have 74% of the seats. The party will select an additional 30. Assuming we get 0, that leaves us with 61%.

Fingers crossed we can get some of the anti-Romney people to work with us, then we can pass the 66% mark.
 
Does Rule 38 really allow RP delegates that are bound to Romney to not vote for him on the first ballot??
Bottom of Page 37, Rule 38
http://www.gop.com/images/legal/2008_RULES_Adopted.pdf
GOP Rule 38: Unit Rule

No delegate or alternate delegate shall be
bound by any attempt of any state or Congressional
district to impose the unit rule.

Unit rule defined: A rule of procedure at a national politcal convention under which a state's entire vote must be cast for the candidate preferred by a majority of the state's delegates.

Seems to me that rule 38 let's any and all RP Delegates, Bound or Unbound, to vote for Dr Paul on the first ballot since according to the GOP's own rules, they cannot force the unit rule at the national convention.
Source Story: http://www.fairvote.org/response-to...-party-rules-may-surprise-in-201#.T54RF6tYuHv
 
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great post, I agree completely. I;ve been trying to explain this to people, some get it some don't.
Can't wait for Tampa, and plan to see Ron on friday @ucsd
Ron Paul 2012
r3VOLution
 
Paulbots Assemble !! its time to get organized, fired up and take this fight to the establishment in its Den !
 
RNC delegates are autonomous and they are human beings. Also Rominator needs >50% delegation from each state to get to 1144. He will not need all 50 because of superdelegates and winner take all. The more states that have our people as delegates the better chance we have to win this thing.

"Winner-take-all" may be irrelevant :D - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374222-RNC-Rule-38

Even "bound" delegates may be able to vote their conscience :D
 
I think that the changes in the rules would be for the NEXT CYCLE. As far as I know the rules have already been determined for this cycle and bound delegates cannot become unbound on the first round. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Stand corrected, you are wrong.
 
So when they start changing the rules around to shut us out, remember drummergirl told us it was all perfectly acceptable, and we cheered her on.
 
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