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[Anti Federalist]

 

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[Swordsmyth]

Iranian Foreign Ministry: June 15 nuclear talks with US not yet cancelled

https://caliber.az/en/post/iranian-foreign-ministry-june-15-nuclear-talks-with-us-not-yet-cancelled

Iranian Foreign Ministry: June 15 nuclear talks with US not yet cancelled | Caliber.Az

Despite rising tensions following Israel’s major military strike, Iran has not yet officially cancelled the upcoming round of nuclear talks with the United States,...

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[Anti Federalist]

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[Snowball]

Although we don't know if Israel will try and use their land-based nukes, because the US and Russia are going to try and stop that, the thing is that the Russian and perhaps even the native Iranian AA has a good chance at intercepting those, esp the S-300, S-400's, We really don't know the extent of Russian defensive units in Iran.

Everything is getting under the fog of war now. Btw I am just starting my research today but last night I heard Marandi tell Glenn Diesen something about not only the Iranian AA/ABM systems coming back because they had so many the Mossad did not hit and in backup, but that the new commanders would take a couple days before they were issuing orders, this played out last night. The biggest thing I heard him say was how many missiles Iran has that can hit Israel and it's like 3-4X more than previous estimates. We don't even know if THAT is the real number or a low ball.

This is why Iran can say they will launch 2000 and not be concerned about running out. Btw none of the first wave's drones were Iranian. They were from Iraq. And it doesn't look like the French helped defend at all this time. Defending Israel is going to be the US business, nobody else is going to substantially help. If the Russians are significantly involved I believe there is a good chance they can defend Iran against Israel's nukes, maybe even the submarine launched and EMP's. This is probably why Iran is upping the ante. Plus, who knows what they could have from China that nobody even knows about. It is also possible that Iran indeed has nuclear-tipped warheads which it acquired decades ago from North Korea or the breakup of the USSR.

The fake news I scrolled through about QUDS Force commander Esmail Qaani is untrue, based on 2024 reports because he was being questioned after the Nasrallah assassination. The questioning had nothing to do with his loyalty to Iran, but was security assessment concerning Hezbollah. The British tabliods exploited that for their own reasons, propaganda. Qaani is also being reported as dead from last nights strikes in the NYT based on supposed reports from their Iranian sources (which are likely liars in all ways), but there's no confirmation by Iran I've seen about whether he survived last night or not.

Iran has fully rejected the US deceptive offer to continue talks Sunday. I think the big takeaway here is to watch how confident Iran is because it reveals the possible level of help they could get from Russia or China that nobody knows about and how extensive it could be. Also that Iran most likely has at least 6000 warheads that can hit Israel, bare minimum overall.

Hopefully there is an inroad to some kind of diplomacy real fast. Late last night and today are revealing the true confidence level of Iran. Chances that the US will have to enter the war offensively if it continues are rising. But its important to remember if that happens, chances increase for another front to open up against the US in say, the Pacific, like China moving on Taiwan and North Korea moving on South Korea.

 

[Snowball]

updates

• 17:55Netanyahu: Iran possesses over 20 thousand ballistic missiles, and we cannot bear that (source: Al Manar, Lebanon)

Iran currently having top level meeting about possibly shutting down Strait of Hormuz

also breaking: Israeli strikes hit energy infrastructure of the South Pars gas field.

Houthis announce formal cooperation with Iran in the war

 

[Snowball]

Ive been reading and listening much more than I can post but I have noticed that what is REALLY PISSING OFF world leaders including in Europe is how Trump and Netanyahu SUCKED IRAN INTO BELIEVING they would talk on SUNDAY then went ahead with a SNEAK ATTACK instead.

Doing that could prove to be the biggest mistake Trump has ever made. Same applies to Israel.

Macron and Meloni are getting frontal about Gaza. She talked to Bibi yesterday and gave him a mouthful on Gaza. It is amazing that the reports from Italy offer no support whatsoever for Israel in this war, she just told him to respect international law and now Macon is not only not helping but calling for a Palestinian State. The British are split also on this. They do not appear to be backing Israel yet. It's going to be up to the US. If Iran shuts down the Strait or hits US bases, we have to expect the US to immediately respond. Sputnik affirms Russia and Iran highest level talks, Lavrov, etc. Watching PressTV now and Xi just condemned Israel. Israel is in a lot of trouuble if they escalate, there is pressure from main parliament in Turkey to do more than mouth condemnations, to actually confront Israel with force.

 

[Snowball]

Pakistani Defense Minister Khawaja Asif said in an interview that all Muslim countries must unite against "Israeli aggression."

"In this ordeal, we stand by Iran in every way. We will protect Iran's interests. Iranians are our brothers and we share their pain and sorrow," said Khawaja Asif.

Defence Minister Khawaja Asif has called on Muslim nations to unite and confront Israeli aggression, warning that failure to do so will lead to collective suffering.

Muslim nations must confront Israel together: Pak defense minister

Defence Minister Khawaja Asif has called on Muslim nations to unite and confront Israeli aggression, warning that failure to do so will lead to collective suffering. Speaking in the National Assembly, he expressed solidarity with Iran following Israeli airstrikes on its military sites and...

www.samaa.tv

There are some aspects to this Russian description of the Trump-Putin chat today that sound foreboding.

for example, "frank" = disagreement. "straightforward" and "business-like" = tense.

"useful" - very rare. = actable, as in acting on a disagreement.

"didn't rule out" a return to the negotiation track on Iran = do not agree right now.

https://www.rt.com/russia/619309-putin-trump-discuss-iran-ukraine/

 

[acptulsa]

https://rumble.com/v6urpav-iran-greift-israelisches-pentagon-in-tel-aviv-an.html

 

[ClaytonB]

Good job debunking yourself.

And yes, everything you believe about "what will happen" in a nuclear exchange is pure speculation. You don't even know how many nukes Russia actually has because nobody outside of Russia knows, not even the CIA! What we do know for sure is that if Russia launches nukes at us, most of them will hit their targets. And they have more than enough nukes to wipe out all significant infrastructure and population centers in the US multiple times over. If there is an exchange, the bottled water you have is the last filtered water you will ever drink, and that's assuming you're in Podunk, Montana. Most everybody else will be dead, the world as you know it will stop literally overnight.

War-mongering Republicans baiting hot nuclear war in the ME need to be reminded of the true meaning of the "D" in "MAD". John Bolton may have a death-wish but that's his personal psychiatric problem that shouldn't be putting the rest of us in existential risk. People who "want war" are psychopaths, by definition, and need to be segregated into clinical treatment, not put in charge of the DoD. We are allowing a foreign nation to gamble with the very existence of this country for their own petty political agenda. It's absolutely insanity and it needs to STOP.

 

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[nikcers]

Good job debunking yourself.

And yes, everything you believe about "what will happen" in a nuclear exchange is pure speculation. You don't even know how many nukes Russia actually has because nobody outside of Russia knows, not even the CIA! What we do know for sure is that if Russia launches nukes at us, most of them will hit their targets. And they have more than enough nukes to wipe out all significant infrastructure and population centers in the US multiple times over. If there is an exchange, the bottled water you have is the last filtered water you will ever drink, and that's assuming you're in Podunk, Montana. Most everybody else will be dead, the world as you know it will stop literally overnight.

War-mongering Republicans baiting hot nuclear war in the ME need to be reminded of the true meaning of the "D" in "MAD". John Bolton may have a death-wish but that's his personal psychiatric problem that shouldn't be putting the rest of us in existential risk. People who "want war" are psychopaths, by definition, and need to be segregated into clinical treatment, not put in charge of the DoD. We are allowing a foreign nation to gamble with the very existence of this country for their own petty political agenda. It's absolutely insanity and it needs to STOP.

The United States foreign policy wont be held hostage to Russia its also not going to be held hostage to Russia's nuclear weapons.

The USA has nuclear weapons and we spend 1000 times more on making sure ours are maintained and training people to operate them.

Most of Russia's weapons are Soviet era technology that hasn't been maintained and doesn't operate. Its like the stuff they tried to invade Ukraine with and they can't even defeat the poorest country in Europe.

They aren't going to defeat the richest, biggest, country in the world.

What I said wasnt wrong. I was talking about the fallout.

People have been repeating fallout propaganda from the 60s that was made using bad data. Its worse than the covid propaganda about the vaccine.

 

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[ClaytonB]

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One could imagine that Lindsey Graham and John Bolton raided the FBI's Diddy evidence to fill a bathtub with baby oil and lube each other all up while watching Fox News on their hotel-room big-screen TV. One could imagine that, but I'm sure the reality is even more disgusting...

 

[ClaytonB]

The United States foreign policy wont be held hostage to Russia its also not going to be held hostage to Russia's nuclear weapons.

"The United States Russia's foreign policy wont be held hostage to Russia the US its also not going to be held hostage to Russia's the US's nuclear weapons."

This is the problem: You RINO's have gotten so used to beating the shit out of scrawny little ME countries while having absolutely unchallenged air-dominance, no possibility of real retaliation (let alone nuclear retaliation) that you've forgotten what it's like to face a peer adversary. Even if Russia is a "near peer", as opposed to "full-peer" (once again, pure speculation!), a near-peer nuclear adversary will still annihilate you! You'll just be slightly less annihilated than them when the fallout ash has finally snowed down to the ground. "We don't negotiate with turrists" doesn't work with a peer/near-peer nuclear adversary! It's just cockadoodle-do egotism, as braindead as the Harley Davidson owner sitting on his bike at an intersection and brap-brapping to show off his "power". This is what American "foreign policy" has become... an obnoxious old biker pretending he's still in his heyday, skin sagging and all.

The USA has nuclear weapons and we spend 1000 times more on making sure ours are maintained and training people to operate them.

You have no idea what capabilities Russia has other than what Russia tells you it has. "Spending" isn't a sign of capability, if anything, it's a sign of waste.

Most of Russia's weapons are Soviet era technology that hasn't been maintained and doesn't operate.

"Most of Russia's weapons that we know about are Soviet era technology that hasn't been maintained and doesn't operate."

FIFY...

And the "that we know about" part is all our own fault when we stopped participating in the NPT/etc. from sheer arrogance. We beat up all those ME countries, dammit, so Russia better watch out, we're a Real Big Biker now!

Its like the stuff they tried to invade Ukraine with and they can't even defeat the poorest country in Europe.

Russia never tried to "defeat" Ukraine. It was never on their strategic objectives. And whatever weaknesses were exposed in Russian military doctrine/weaponry have surely been patched by now. Congratulations on giving Russia a free theater to exercise their own cutting-edge capabilities and apply updates/patches as required to maintain highest readiness. Clap yourself on the back for that, you deserve a round of your own applause...

They aren't going to defeat the richest, biggest, country in the world.

Are you delusional? The US is not the "biggest" country in the world by any measure. And "richest" is relative... 90+% of our "wealth" is on paper and that can all evaporate overnight, even without nukes.

What I said wasnt wrong. I was talking about the fallout.

He specifically concedes that fission weapons cause fallout and non-verbally concedes that there are plenty of fission weapons. Also, fusion weapons don't have zero radioactive fallout, it's just a smaller proportion of fallout per yield, because the fusion weapon has to be triggered by a fission device anyway.

People have been repeating fallout propaganda from the 60s that was made using bad data. Its worse than the covid propaganda about the vaccine.

No, the warnings about fallout are not "propaganda", cf your own fear-mongering propaganda about ME dirty-bombers, etc. The whole point of a dirty-bomb is to leverage the aerosolized radioactivity from a non-weapons radioactive material using conventional HE.

Wake up!

 

[nikcers]

He specifically concedes that fission weapons cause fallout and non-verbally concedes that there are plenty of fission weapons.

No he didnt. This is just not true.

Fission weapons cost more to produce and they don't do as much destruction.

It makes absolutely no sense to build a fission bomb with materials that you can use to build the modern "super" bomb because you can build significantly more "supers" for the same price.

Nobody is using that implosion design from the 40s to build a nuclear bomb.

Thousands of nuclear bombs were blown up just outside of Las Vegas and there is no fear of fallout. Las Vegas still exists.

The USA has a population size bigger than Russia the third largest in the world and our economy is bigger than theirs.

We spend more on military than the next 15 countries in the world.

We also have the biggest arms industry in the world. Bigger than the 2nd and 3rd biggest put together.

Russia's economy is smaller than California.