Israel media: SC GOP debate one of the most disjointed and unfocussed of all the debates

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CBS President Les Moonves may be great nephew of the first Israeli PM and that may have induced extra pro Iran war focus in debate questioning, today's GOP debate butchered horribly by CBS did not make Israel-lovers happy either:


Published 07:48 13.11.11 Latest update 07:48 13.11.11

Republican debate disappoints Israel-loving Obama-bashers
At Saturday night’s debate in South Carolina was one of the most disjointed and unfocussed of all the debates held so far


By Chemi Shalev

The legions of Israel-loving Obama-bashers who had been expecting to cheer wildly as the U.S. President’s policies got torn apart piece by piece must have been sorely disappointed with Saturday night’s Republican Debate in South Carolina. Not only were the moderators from CBS and National Journal inordinately preoccupied with the situation in Pakistan - which is, let’s face it, unfathomable to most humans - but the only direct question in the debate concerning Israel was the one that landed Texas Governor Rick Perry in hot water again, after he implied that Israel would have to justify its need for foreign aid as if it was just another run-of-the-mill country, and not the apple of the Republican eye.

To be sure, the evening was replete with policy statements and world views that most Israelis and many American Jewish voters would enthusiastically applaud, including statements by two of the more prominent debaters – Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich – that they would support American military action against nuclear-seeking Iran. And, as is often the case when the Republicans try to outdo each other, even the most dedicated Jewish doomsayers would likely be taken aback by Michelle Bachman’s assertion that Pakistan, Iran and God knows who else are planning a “world-wide nuclear war” against Israel, or by Gingrich’s Crusade-like revelation that the Arab Spring is actually an anti-Christian onslaught.


Nonetheless those who had eagerly anticipated a public mauling of U.S. President Barack Obama over what they view as his infuriating attitude towards Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu were, but for a few hardly-noticeable exceptions, left wanting. Others who had been geared up to hear a Republican chorus – excluding Ron Paul – extolling the party’s credo of life, liberty and the pursuit of Israel’s happiness - were also feeling disappointed. Many of these people – trust me on this – are probably convinced that the moderators’ insistence on an anything-but-Israel debate is a liberal left-wing conspiracy directed by the White House itself.

Be that as it may, the debate on foreign policy was one of the most disjointed and unfocussed of all the debates held so far, interspersed as it was by those surrealistic interludes in which the fringe candidates with the least chances of winning – most notably former governor Jon Huntsman but also Rick Santorum, Ron Paul and yes, Michelle Bachman – were more restrained and rational than the recognized leaders of the pack, refraining, for example, from declaring war on Pakistan and open season on China.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/west-o...appoints-israel-loving-obama-bashers-1.395268
 
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this is Israel Media who do you think pushes the idea that Paul is unelectable? they want war with Iran and Paul doesn't.
 
Just so you know, Paul supporters in Israel (and yes, there are quite a few) myself included, are indeed itching for war with Iran for no other reason than the Ayatollah has expressly indicated the he wishes to annihilate us in public statements (i.e. - "Israel should be wiped off the map," Ahmadinejad '05). So just because we want to kick the crap out of the Ayatollah doesn't mean we want American help. I want us (Israel, not America) to do it alone because this is a Jewish issue and America has nothing to do with it. Plus, you guys have no money. We have a budget surplus.

I really don't give a crap how Obama treats Netanyahu because Netanyahu deserves it. They're both men with humongous egos and no vision. I just want to hear from a leader that he'll keep America out of the middle east, money and diplomats, so we can take care of business here and you guys can be left out of the whole matter.
 
Just so you know, Paul supporters in Israel (and yes, there are quite a few) myself included, are indeed itching for war with Iran for no other reason than the Ayatollah has expressly indicated the he wishes to annihilate us in public statements (i.e. - "Israel should be wiped off the map," Ahmadinejad '05). So just because we want to kick the crap out of the Ayatollah doesn't mean we want American help. I want us (Israel, not America) to do it alone because this is a Jewish issue and America has nothing to do with it. Plus, you guys have no money. We have a budget surplus.

I really don't give a crap how Obama treats Netanyahu because Netanyahu deserves it. They're both men with humongous egos and no vision. I just want to hear from a leader that he'll keep America out of the middle east, money and diplomats, so we can take care of business here and you guys can be left out of the whole matter.
:rolleyes:

Did Ahmadinejad really say Israel should be ‘wiped off the map’?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-ahmadinejad-really-say-israel-should-be-wiped-off-the-map/2011/10/04/gIQABJIKML_blog.html
 
Rafi exactly, if Israel faces threat from another state, it should be free to deal with it as it pleases without American entanglement/interference. Folks in Israel tend to be far more realist about war adventures than so called pro-Israel Americans. Above view is more balanced overall compared to what you would see in a Jpost blog.

That said, US media and "pro Israel" evangelical types with ulterior motives have played a destructive role in the past when it comes to mideast affairs and solution of Israel's desputes. Numerous examples, here is one.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...uppressing-editing-foreign-policy-news-events

That needs to stop for good of both countries.
 
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That said, US media and "pro Israel" evangelical types with ulterior motives have played a destructive role in the past when it comes to mideast affairs and solution of Israel's desputes. Numerous examples, here is one.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...uppressing-editing-foreign-policy-news-events

That needs to stop for good of both countries.

Totally agree. Pro Israel evangelicals scare the crap out of me. All they want is for me to fight so Jesus will return or something like that. I don't really understand it, nor do I want evangelical support. The idea of war with Iran also scares the crap out of me, because I might actually get killed. But it's something we have to do because we can't allow people to threaten our destruction without fighting back ever again.
 
Totally agree. Pro Israel evangelicals scare the crap out of me. All they want is for me to fight so Jesus will return or something like that. I don't really understand it, nor do I want evangelical support. The idea of war with Iran also scares the crap out of me, because I might actually get killed. But it's something we have to do because we can't allow people to threaten our destruction without fighting back ever again.

Between you and me, is it true that you guys have 300 times more nukes than Iran or is that just a deterrant worst kept publicized secret? :)

J/K, you don't have to answer that. I wish peace and prosperity to people in whole region and resolution without war.
 
Just so you know, Paul supporters in Israel (and yes, there are quite a few) myself included, are indeed itching for war with Iran for no other reason than the Ayatollah has expressly indicated the he wishes to annihilate us in public statements (i.e. - "Israel should be wiped off the map," Ahmadinejad '05). So just because we want to kick the crap out of the Ayatollah doesn't mean we want American help. I want us (Israel, not America) to do it alone because this is a Jewish issue and America has nothing to do with it. Plus, you guys have no money. We have a budget surplus.

I really don't give a crap how Obama treats Netanyahu because Netanyahu deserves it. They're both men with humongous egos and no vision. I just want to hear from a leader that he'll keep America out of the middle east, money and diplomats, so we can take care of business here and you guys can be left out of the whole matter.

Man, ^^ this post was refreshing.

It's Israel's business what she does with Iran, and hopefully can do it without dragging the US into it, and without it leading to a ground war (which I don't believe Israel would survive, although your military is badass). While you hope for war with Iran, I hope peace can be maintained in your region (yes, I know, it's hardly peaceful right now, but you know what I mean).
 
Just so you know, Paul supporters in Israel (and yes, there are quite a few) myself included, are indeed itching for war with Iran for no other reason than the Ayatollah has expressly indicated the he wishes to annihilate us in public statements (i.e. - "Israel should be wiped off the map," Ahmadinejad '05). So just because we want to kick the crap out of the Ayatollah doesn't mean we want American help. I want us (Israel, not America) to do it alone because this is a Jewish issue and America has nothing to do with it. Plus, you guys have no money. We have a budget surplus.

I really don't give a crap how Obama treats Netanyahu because Netanyahu deserves it. They're both men with humongous egos and no vision. I just want to hear from a leader that he'll keep America out of the middle east, money and diplomats, so we can take care of business here and you guys can be left out of the whole matter.

He never said he would wipe Israel off the map. I couldn't help but notice you skipped the other forum member who pointed this out and continued to speak to others...
 
He never said he would wipe Israel off the map. I couldn't help but notice you skipped the other forum member who pointed this out and continued to speak to others...

I did skip it because in my opinion it's not worth responding to. Whether he said "wipe off the map" or quoted someone who said something similar, or said "smear off the map" or quoted some islamic figure who said that would be nice, or said that "jewish immigrants should be expelled" from Israel or anything that even smells of "let's kill the jews" as far as I'm concerned he's a dead man.

Look, my ancestors are screaming from their graves in every single damn generation and God as my witness no one will ever threaten my people again without paying for it.

If you want to split hairs and say he was quoted out of context, you have the luxury to do that. I don't. It is clear he wants me dead. I will make it clear to him he will be dead first.
 
I did skip it because in my opinion it's not worth responding to. Whether he said "wipe off the map" or quoted someone who said something similar, or said "smear off the map" or quoted some islamic figure who said that would be nice, or said that "jewish immigrants should be expelled" from Israel or anything that even smells of "let's kill the jews" as far as I'm concerned he's a dead man.

Look, my ancestors are screaming from their graves in every single damn generation and God as my witness no one will ever threaten my people again without paying for it.

If you want to split hairs and say he was quoted out of context, you have the luxury to do that. I don't. It is clear he wants me dead. I will make it clear to him he will be dead first.

He didn't say anything even close to any of those. He said he would like to see the current Israeli government removed from the pages of history.
 
Man, ^^ this post was refreshing.

It's Israel's business what she does with Iran, and hopefully can do it without dragging the US into it, and without it leading to a ground war (which I don't believe Israel would survive, although your military is badass). While you hope for war with Iran, I hope peace can be maintained in your region (yes, I know, it's hardly peaceful right now, but you know what I mean).

We've survived genocidal threats from Persia before. It's nothing new. Read the book of Esther. We'll survive anything. We always have. I hope for peace too. If people just stopped threatening me and my people I have no problem whatsoever with leaving Iran and the Ayatollah the hell alone. But if I hear a threat there will be no peace.

Defense here is defense. It's not occupying a country and rebuilding it. I want nothing whatsoever to do with Iran. But again, I'm ready to fight.
 
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He didn't say anything even close to any of those. He said he would like to see the current Israeli government removed from the pages of history.

JFKIII - I respect you because I respect all liberty loving people. And I know all RP supporters are genuine in that regard. But open your eyes. Referring to Israel as a cancer, Israeli government removed from the pages of history to be replaced by an Islamic republic, stop it with this nitpicking. Luckily we have our own army and can make our own decisions.

You can disagree, fine. I don't dispute that right. But I also have right to defend myself, yes, pre-emptively, just like we did in Iraq in 81.
 
Israel survives because the God who spoke and the entire universe lept into existence protects her NOT the United States of America
 
JFKIII - I respect you because I respect all liberty loving people. And I know all RP supporters are genuine in that regard. But open your eyes. Referring to Israel as a cancer, Israeli government removed from the pages of history to be replaced by an Islamic republic, stop it with this nitpicking. Luckily we have our own army and can make our own decisions.

You can disagree, fine. I don't dispute that right. But I also have right to defend myself, yes, pre-emptively, just like we did in Iraq in 81.

At least be accurate with your discourse. Once you bring the known falsities that are regurgitated by the zionists into the discussion you will be called out. It's not "nitpicking" when what you say is patently false and has been proven so. You are correct that Israel can do what it wishes, even if based on lies like the one you stated, as long as US lives and money isn't involved.
 
At least be accurate with your discourse. Once you bring the known falsities that are regurgitated by the zionists into the discussion you will be called out. It's not "nitpicking" when what you say is patently false and has been proven so. You are correct that Israel can do what it wishes, even if based on lies like the one you stated, as long as US lives and money isn't involved.

I'm trying to be as accurate as I can with the information I have at my disposal.

What are "zionists" by the way? Can you define those? It sounds like it's used as a curse word.

Is there anything the Iranian leadership can, in theory, do or say that would convince you they want to destroy Israel? I just want to know where you draw the line.
 
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