Isn't a Trump victory good for a libertarian takeover of the Republican Party?

[dirtdigger]

I see support for Gary Johnson here but I have another line of thought. If Donald Trump wins, he cannot be controlled and is bound to destroy the careers of many people who belong to the Establishment without even realizing that he is damaging the Establishment. In other words, Trump will spread confusion in the ranks of the Establishment.

With Ted Cruz committing political suicide, the road is clear for Rand Paul to emerge as the leader of the anti-establishment brigade. Remember that he was in the lead before Trump joined the race.

OTOH, a Trump defeat only means that the Establishment gets to say "we told you so" and retakes the party. Rand Paul will have to play second fiddle to them in order to make any headway. A Trump victory will also have the effect of weakening the Establishment in the Democrat Party as the voters there are already furious at the election fraud committed by Hillary Clinton.

Why not let Trump do the job of destroying the Establishment? Of course, this post has nothing to do with policy positions or even voting for the lesser evil based on fears fed to us by the Establishment. Just an opinion based on sensing a cynical opportunity to destroy the Establishment's grip on the two major parties.

What do you folks think?

 

[CPUd]

Trump stands with Reince Priebus and the party elites. Go look at what they did in the Rules Committee; they took the rules changes from 2012 and made it even harder for grassroots conservatives to run a candidate in 2020. Most of his supporters have done very little to help nominate grassroots candidates in the primaries. They are either voting for the party hack or just going to the polls to vote for POTUS. This all but ensures in 2020, the GOP will run candidates equivalent to Bush and Romney, and will squash any candidate who goes against the grain.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

The amusing part of this development is that almost all neocons/swcbags/dgpbags etc are shaking in their boots at the prospect of his victory.
If he is just another puppet/political slave/purchased tool like others, why would they be standing against him with such unanimous force but not against Hillary?



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[robert68]

If Trump wins, the Republican Party is controlled by his appointees and staunchest supporters.

 

[euphemia]

Party politics is a distraction from the real issues in our nation. Party elites/the donor class/whatever have done their best to install people who will help concentrate wealth and power among themselves, and they will do what's necessary to keep the power and wealth concentrated among themselves. That is why they chose the uberwealty Bushes. They tried to install uberwealthy Mitt Romney, even though nobody really understood what he did for a living.

It doesn't matter what kind of politics a person embraces. If there is wealth and power involved, then the wealthy and powerful will glom on so they can keep what they have and everyone else gets to pay for the transfer of more wealth and power to them.

What needs to happen is for us to educated ourselves and the people around us so we can elect people who are willing to snub the donor class in favor of a constitutional government.

Adding: This is what Gary Johnson is doing. He made money on technology and cannabis. And guess what? He wants to be President so he can make more money off cannabis.

 

[WTLaw]

Trump being elected would be horrible for libertarians. Trump is the most unliked candidate in history, and I think even his supporters would agree that that will continue even if the is elected. Midterm elections in 2018 would be a GOP bloodbath, with all seats lost going to the democrats.

What we need is a strong showing by the libertarian party so they get matching funds and notoriety, hillary squeeks out a win, but has no mandate, she sees huge democratic losses in the midterms (cause she too would be unpopular)...on judges she replaces ginsburg in her 1st two years, and the senate quickly confirms Garland before he is withdrawn. The last 2 years will be an uneasy gridlock with a deep red congress, awaiting a more libertarianish nominee (because in order to fight the LP, the GOP will have to shade in that direction)


Or we fail to have an electoral majority, in which case the house decides to elect Gary Johnson president. That is best case I think, and not impossible.

 

[nikcers]

If Trump wins all of the RNC flunks will be selling authoritarianism next election, not libertarianism. This is actually what Bill Kristol said when he was talking about the future of the republican party. He said that Trump was a good thing because they got rid of the libertarian strain, the Ron and Rand Paul's.

 

[undergroundrr]

Ideally, the race will be exactly split, hanging chads and all between trump and Hillary with no clear mandate for either and a historically high showing for third parties - constitution, LP, green, etc. I would love to see the LP get 5%. Unless you love the establishment elite and want them to preside over a 1000 year reich, you don't want Hillary or trump winning by 5-10 points with a clear majority.

 

[euphemia]

What we need is a strong showing by the libertarian party so they get matching funds and notoriety,

You are kidding, right?

 

[Antischism]

If Trump wins, the Republican party will be even worse than it already is.

 

[undergroundrr]

You are kidding, right?

You should be hoping for Darrell Castle to get the same. Pat Buchanan used matching funds. It's unconstitutional for it to be offered to trumplary but not to alternative parties.

 

[dirtdigger]

Agree he is with Reince Priebus but that can change any time. Nothing Trump does can be taken seriously. Which is good for us!

 

[Mordan]

my thoughts OP. But many are afraid. Anyways Trump showed the grassroots the qualities of a leader able to take on the corrupt media and establishment.

Rand seems weak and even a sell out sometimes. I saw how his father was weak and wouldn't fight the GOP establishment corruption. He would always allow the media to corner and own him. To his credits he speaks the language of his father so that's good. I like Trump. He is way better than Hillary. Ah sorry to break it to you but you need a somewhat tall guy.

 

[euphemia]

You should be hoping for Darrell Castle to get the same. Pat Buchanan used matching funds. It's unconstitutional for it to be offered to trumplary but not to alternative parties.

You are kidding, right? Aren't we against big government? Matching funds is one of the first things that should stop.

 

[goldwater's ghost]

The amusing part of this development is that almost all neocons/swcbags/dgpbags etc are shaking in their boots at the prospect of his victory.
If he is just another puppet/political slave/purchased tool like others, why would they be standing against him with such unanimous force but not against Hillary?



Opinion: Khans show no low is too low for Trump: Max Boot
USA TODAY

No Need to Repent for Support of Iraq War
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/....-repent-for-su...
Commentary
Max Boot / Mar. 18, 2013

Neocon Pundit Max Boot's Post-Election Demand: 'Start a War Now!'
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/.../...emand-start-a-...
Nov 5, 2014 - Neocon Pundit Max Boot's Post-Election Demand: 'Start a War Now!' ...

because he's an imbecile. to quote Tropical Thunder

you guys gave us a choice of syphilis vs gonorrhea so we're voting libertarian for the most part. better to get crabs then VD.

Regarding neocons Only some neocons are standing against trump. Others are with him.. Didnt Sheldon Adelson give him money at one point?

As for swcbags/dgpbags I dont even know what those are.

The reason the entire country is against him is because he's a fool. and though hillary may be evil its much more dangerous having a fool in charge then a tyrant.

and he has no chance of winning. he has zero chance of sweeping florida, ohio and pennsylvania. its much more likely he gets swept in those three

 

[nikcers]

You are kidding, right? Aren't we against big government? Matching funds is one of the first things that should stop.

So we should support the person who is rebranding "big government' and calling it "great government". Thats somehow going to stop us from an unsustainable debt??

 

[TheCount]

Trump's victory in the primary has already shown that a sizable percentage of the Republican party is directly opposed to libertarian ideals. If he also wins (or even comes close) in the general, that would indicate that a majority or supermajority of the party is opposed to liberty.

How, exactly, would libertarians succeed in winning over such a party?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Trump stands with Reince Priebus and the party elites. Go look at what they did in the Rules Committee; they took the rules changes from 2012 and made it even harder for grassroots conservatives to run a candidate in 2020.

He ultimately stopped some rogue delegates from disregarding the peoples' votes and voting any damn well they pleased on the first vote.

Most of his supporters have done very little to help nominate grassroots candidates in the primaries. They are either voting for the party hack or just going to the polls to vote for POTUS. This all but ensures in 2020, the GOP will run candidates equivalent to Bush and Romney, and will squash any candidate who goes against the grain.

As opposed to some "libertarians" who are promoting an advocate of the Trans Pacific Partnership? lolol

Where is the "libertarian" support to primary Ryan? I've seen it with Trump supporters, but not "libertarians". What's up with that?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Trump's victory in the primary has already shown that a sizable percentage of the Republican party is directly opposed to libertarian ideals. If he also wins (or even comes close) in the general, that would indicate that a majority or supermajority of the party is opposed to liberty.

How, exactly, would libertarians succeed in winning over such a party?

WHAT? That is absolutely not true. Unless you are equating being libertarian with supporting the Trans Pacific Partnership, the overrun of our borders by illegal aliens and bringing in more inadequately vetted "refugees" so that our country can have nice little events like happened in Germany and France. Is that what you are saying?

Because last time I knew, sane libertarians were not for ceding America's national sovereignty; nor did they hate their country so much that they wanted to see Americans murdered by people who have no business being here. Sane libertarians also believed in the 10th Amendment, the 2nd Amendment and preferred that constructionists were appointed as Supreme Court Justices. These are all things that Trump supports.

So, as you see, your comment is ignorant as all hell and that is giving you the benefit of the doubt, that you are not intentionally attempting to mislead.

 

[LibertyEagle]

because he's an imbecile. to quote Tropical Thunder

you guys gave us a choice of syphilis vs gonorrhea so we're voting libertarian for the most part. better to get crabs then VD.

Regarding neocons Only some neocons are standing against trump. Others are with him.. Didnt Sheldon Adelson give him money at one point?

As for swcbags/dgpbags I dont even know what those are.

The reason the entire country is against him is because he's a fool. and though hillary may be evil its much more dangerous having a fool in charge then a tyrant.

and he has no chance of winning. he has zero chance of sweeping florida, ohio and pennsylvania. its much more likely he gets swept in those three

So, you're just going full Commie and voting for someone who supports ceding a huge amount of our national sovereignty to yet another international ruling body?

Yeah, that's brilliant.