Islamic extremist kills 50 at Orlando gay nightclub

kcchiefs6465 said:
Can you CC in any state in any establishment that serves alcohol?
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In bars Tennessee, Arizona, Georgia and Virginia allow it. 18 other states allow it if it is primarily a restaurant which happens to serves alcohol.
 
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susano said:
My suggestion is that people start from the standpoint of "prove it". Because the news says, isn't proof. Dig deep.

Who owns the bar?
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Do you think it is the CIA?

http://www.people.com/article/pulse-night-club-in-memory-of-owners-brother

In 1991, Barbara Poma's older brother John died after battling AIDS. In 2004, Poma and her friend Ron Legler founded Pulse Orlando in memory of John. For Poma and many others, Pulse is described as "more than 'just another gay club.' "

According to police, a shooter opened fire just after 2 a.m. local time on Sunday at Pulse, a popular gay club south of downtown Orlando. An officer working at the club initially responded to the shooter, "engaging in the gun battle with the suspect" before the suspect went back into the club, Orlando Police Chief John Mina said at a Sunday morning news conference. Authorities say that at least 50 people have been killed and at least 53 are injured, making it the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history.

But the club, which became a tragic scene, was founded as a place of "acceptance and love."

"Being raised in a strict Italian family, being gay was frowned upon," Poma says on the Pulse Orlando website says. "However, when John came out to his family and friends, the family dynamic transitioned from a culture of strict tradition to one of acceptance and love."

The name "Pulse" is derived from the idea of John's heartbeat "reverberating throughout the club." As a memoriam to her brother and safe space, the venue also served as the location for community events in support of the LGBT community, according to its website. The event on the night of the attacks was "Latin Night," according to the club's Facebook page. Hours after the club opened on Saturday night, the page updated its status to read, "Everyone get out of pulse and keep running."

"It was important to create an atmosphere that embraced the gay lifestyle with décor that would make John proud," the website says. "Most importantly, (we) coined the name Pulse for John's heartbeat – as a club that is John's inspiration, where he is kept alive in the eyes of his friends and family."
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Why do I keep seeing that the guard at the door had a gun battle with the guy with the AR-15, who then went BACK into the club?
 
acptulsa said:
Why do I keep seeing that the guard at the door had a gun battle with the guy with the AR-15, who then went BACK into the club?
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Because that is what is being reported as the timeline of events. And many of the timelines do not report that he went BACK into the club. Rather that after exchanging gunfire he went into the club. Of course those heroes in blue didn't follow him into the building thus shattering the Myth of Police Protection.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...th-of-Police-Protection&p=2513679#post2513679
 
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dannno said:
Not personally, I know what I was told when I got older and I know what that piece of paper says with my name on it.
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Did it happen during one of your blackouts?

(Doors reference :) )
 
phill4paul said:
Because that is what is being reported as the timeline of events. And many of the timelines do not report that he went BACK into the club. Rather that after exchanging gunfire he went into the club. Of course those heroes in blue didn't follow him into the building thus shattering the Myth of Police Protection.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...th-of-Police-Protection&p=2513679#post2513679
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But I have seen several that do, including , I think, at least one eyewitness account. Is that an ISIS MO, going in to scope the place and then going out to the parking lot to get the weapon and vest? Because it sounds more like the method of someone who has a specific target in mind, or who had no intention of doing the attack until someone inside pissed him off.
 
acptulsa said:
But I have seen several that do, including , I think, at least one eyewitness account. Is that an ISIS MO, going in to scope the place and then going out to the parking lot to get the weapon and vest? Because it sounds more like the method of someone who has a specific target in mind, or who had no intention of doing the attack until someone inside pissed him off.
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Possibly, I hadn't heard about this aspect. Thanks.
 
phill4paul said:
In bars Tennessee, Arizona, Georgia and Virginia allow it. 18 other states allow it if it is primarily a restaurant which happens to serves alcohol.
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http://citrusccw.com/sign-upcontact-us/faqs/

Where can I carry a concealed weapon?

You can carry a concealed weapon almost anywhere. Here are places you cannot carry a concealed firearm in Florida:

Government buildings (post office, schools, courtrooms, etc)
Bars (or establishments that sell mostly alcohol)

You are allowed to carry in most other places – even banks!
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phill4paul said:
In bars Tennessee, Arizona, Georgia and Virginia allow it. 18 other states allow it if it is primarily a restaurant which happens to serves alcohol.
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In Arizona you cannot CC in bars. Restaurants, yes.

Not that it matters when it comes to self-defense. Fuck 'em.
 
kcchiefs6465 said:
In Arizona you cannot CC in bars. Restaurants, yes.

Not that it matters when it comes to self-defense. Fuck 'em.
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Ah, I either had my information wrong, or laws constantly change. There is not a bigger pain in the ass than trying to comply with firearm statutes.
 
Zippyjuan said:
Do you think it is the CIA?

http://www.people.com/article/pulse-night-club-in-memory-of-owners-brother
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No. I didn't say anything about the CIA.

A Google search of Ron Legler and Barbara Pomo only turns up your article (my search, anyway - Google produces different results for different IPs):

Is the Birth Rate Properly a Political Question? - The Atlantic
www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/.../265960/
The Atlantic
Dec 6, 2012 - Matt Frost: Then let's come up with a pomo virtue: failure to choose the good thing which once was compelled .... Barbara Poma opened Pulse on Orange Avenue in Orlando with her friend and co-founder Ron Legler in 2004.

A search on Ron Legler (I just read read one link) shows he moved to Baltimore and has a long history in theater (Florida and Baltimore). Theater and acting links are something often present in these staged drama. Could be a couple of reasons for that: a community who is most likely very liberal and anti 2nd/want and it virtually repealed; a community of people who know how act and fake things.

I'll look a little further.
 
Lol, conniption fits being thrown in actor land!

The cast of the Broadway show "Hamilton" will be performing without their prop muskets at Sunday night's Tony Awards, following the mass shooting in Orlando that was the worst in American history.

After the tragedy that claimed the lives of dozens of people at a Florida nightclub, the awards show dedicated Sunday night's ceremony to the families and friends of those affected by the shooting.

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"Our hearts are heavy for the unimaginable tragedy that happened last night in Orlando," the awards show wrote on their official website.

CBS News cited a spokesman from the show, who said that the cast of "Hamilton" would not be using their fake weapons for their performance.

"The cast will instead pantomime during its performance of 'Yorktown (World Turned Upside Down),' which recreates the Battle of Yorktown," CNN reported.
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http://krcgtv.com/news/entertainment/cast-of-hamilton-to-perform-without-muskets-at-the-tony-awards
 
phill4paul said:
So the shootings continued over the 3 hrs. and the cops just stood around and listened to it while it was going on? I dunno. I honestly haven't read many victims accounts. Have read one in which those inside were trying to get out and told by someone on the other side of the door to stay in. I suppose more info will be forthcoming as some of the victims stabilize.
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I will see if i can dig it up but there is a really haunting interview that got out early this morning with a person that barricaded the door in question. He and about 20 other people were bottle necked into the back patio and barricaded the door to prevent the shooter ( or so they thought) from getting to them. He recounts how he heard a person or persons banging on the door and hoped to god he did not trap people behind them. So that may be where that story is originating from.

Heads up I live in Orlando and work right down the street from where this happened and it has been a very surreal day still waiting to find out if anyone I know has been identified since I have a lot of very nice customers who are LGBT who come in at night. I also get a lot of local law enforcement and I can tell you first hand that Orlando PD is one of the most professional organizations, police wise I have dealt with (not saying perfect mind you). I also can understand why it took so long to go in since SWAT teams generally are not trained to barge in. They have to pull blueprints and get as much Intel as humanly possible before entering not to mention initial reports this morning ( 3 AM) was that he may have had some sort of device on him. So if that was the Intel they were working with then it would not serve anyone to rush in there to not only set off a potential bomb on the already dying or hostages and kill SWAT.
 
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