Islamic extremist kills 50 at Orlando gay nightclub

[acptulsa]

It will take time, but the narratives they've been spinning are coming apart at the seams. It used to be that the progressive narrative was very nice, very neat and a pretty easy sell.

-Race is a social construct
-Gender is a social construct
-Black underachievement is the result of racism
-White achievement is because of white privilege
-The wealth of the West is mostly stolen and comes from imperialism and slavery
-Islam is a religion of peace, and only one percent of Muslims are radicals
-All religions are equally bad, and religious fundamentalism is the real problem
-Diversity is "our strength"
-Mass immigration improves the country

Etc. There was a time when one could claim these things, and it seemed to have a lot of explanatory value. All of those claims are imploding. I warn against being too optimistic though; a cornered animal can lash out.

They can and do make some of those true. And some were true until they changed them. For example, less than one percent of any group is radical--until you bomb the shit out of that group day and night. Then, suddenly, mysteriously, those numbers inexplicably change...

Or, at least, those who talk in terms of 'spreading democracy' pretend to consider the changes inexplicable.

What does wanting to curb immigration have to do with "racism"? Further, Muslim is not a race. Furthermore, what valid reason is their to import foreign Muslims, anyway? There isn't one other than the multikulti globalist social engineering agenda.

And every time people just like you jump with both feet on the bandwagon to 'bomb the towelheads', you give 'The Left' the excuse and the impetus to 'import foreign Muslims'.

Congratulations must be in order for 'The Right' for giving 'The Left' the excuse to do what 'The Right' doesn't want done. Right?

And then, of course, friction results, and someone gets shot, and the call goes out to grab the guns. And all because some bloodthirsty idiots who want to think of their nation as the bad ass top dog got talked into bombing some 'towelheads' who never did a thing to them and didn't pose the slightest threat to them.

I'm not mentioning any names, but somebody's is getting gamed...

 

[susano]

It will take time, but the narratives they've been spinning are coming apart at the seams. It used to be that the progressive narrative was very nice, very neat and a pretty easy sell.

-Race is a social construct
-Gender is a social construct
-Black underachievement is the result of racism
-White achievement is because of white privilege
-The wealth of the West is mostly stolen and comes from imperialism and slavery
-Islam is a religion of peace, and only one percent of Muslims are radicals
-All religions are equally bad, and religious fundamentalism is the real problem
-Diversity is "our strength"
-Mass immigration improves the country

Etc. There was a time when one could claim these things, and it seemed to have a lot of explanatory value. All of those claims are imploding. I warn against being too optimistic though; a cornered animal can lash out.

Good list! Let's hope they gone a bridge too far with their beloved muzzies murdering their even more beloved gays.

Oh what a tangled web...

And, btw, the liberal I live with, who got mad when I called BS on this, said there's video of the villain sitting at the bar during last call. I guess some rogue TV person posed the question of how the killer was hiding his rifle at the bar. Ruh-roh!

 

[acptulsa]

And, btw, the liberal I live with, who got mad when I called BS on this, said there's video of the villain sitting at the bar during last call. I guess some rogue TV person posed the question of how the killer was hiding his rifle at the bar. Ruh-roh!

I already pointed out that more than one account talked about the firefight starting when the 'perp' tried to go BACK into the bar. So, you might want to consider apologizing to the liberal you live with for whatever you called them, because they were right, you went off half-cocked, and the AR-15 was apparently in his vehicle at the time. Which, you must admit, is possible.

 

[susano]

They can and do make some of those true. And some were true until they changed them. For example, less than one percent of any group is radical--until you bomb the $#@! out of that group day and night. Then, suddenly, mysteriously, those numbers inexplicably change...

Or, at least, those who talk in terms of 'spreading democracy' pretend to consider the changes inexplicable.



And every time people just like you jump with both feet on the bandwagon to 'bomb the towelheads', you give 'The Left' the excuse and the impetus to 'import foreign Muslims'.

Congratulations must be in order for 'The Right' for giving 'The Left' the excuse to do what 'The Right' doesn't want done. Right?

And then, of course, friction results, and someone gets shot, and the call goes out to grab the guns. And all because some bloodthirsty idiots who want to think of their nation as the bad ass top dog got talked into bombing some 'towelheads' who never did a thing to them and didn't pose the slightest threat to them.

I'm not mentioning any names, but somebody's is getting gamed...

Other than saying I think the US bears responsibility for unleashing the takfiri psychopaths on innocent people in the middle east and Africa and that the US should cooperate with Russia in bombing ISIS/al Nusra/jihadi targets, I've never supported any military action in my life. I don't even think the US had any business being in the world wars.

Thanks for playing, though.

 

[susano]

I already pointed out that more than one account talked about the firefight starting when the 'perp' tried to go BACK into the bar. So, you might want to consider apologizing to the liberal you live with for whatever you called them, because they were right, you went off half-cocked, and the AR-15 was apparently in his vehicle at the time. Which, you must admit, is possible.

It was early this afternoon when I called BS and he got mad (because he believes everything the media and, especially Obama, say). I said it, he got got enraged and I never said any more about it. NOT ONE WORD. Just a while ago he said that about last call and I said NOTHING. Now, how you think you know what's happening where I'm sitting, including I called anyone a name or even said a word is a mystery. The truth is you just make sh/t up in your head, spew it because you like to argue - even about some stupid thing you've concocted in your dumbass brain.

Now, I will call someone a name: You're a dick

 

[Danke]

Has anyone heard from HB today?

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

If we act like they speak with one voice, people rightly decide we're idiots.

They target specific audiences with interlocking narratives, which simultaneously divide us against each other and also support the other narratives. I didn't say the Democrats control the narrative, or that the Republicans control the narrative, or that the Israeli propagandists on the televangelist channels control the narratives. I said the Democrats push from this side and the others push from that side. The fact that they operate a pincers movement is not evidence they separately control separate narratives. The fact they operate a pincers movement is evidence that they are doing different things on different orders from the same control source in order to achieve a common goal.

You're still missing the point. The narrative-builders are in the universities. If you see a political party pushing a cultural narrative, it has already traveled through the annals of the Cathedral to get there.

The dominant narrative on Islam is as follows:

-Islam is a peaceful religion, and only a tiny minority are extremists
-Religious fundamentalism is the real problem, not Islam
-Most Muslims are like nominal Christians or Reform Jews
-Islamophobia is just like racism, and is a big problem in today's society
-Critics of Islam, regardless of how liberal they are, paint with far too broad a brush
-When Muslims carry out atrocities, it's important to not give in to Islamophobia or xenophobia which is always looming large on the horizon.

Aside from maybe some Fox news anchors, show me prominent academics or media talking heads who actively contradict this narrative. I have never seen a criticism of Islam made by someone well known that wasn't called "Islamophobic" eventually.

Now. What am I missing, exactly?

Lots, apparently.

As for the EU, what do you know about it? Are you posting from Europe? Or are you listening to the MSM, which as you seem to be happy to admit, is pushing a boogeyman narrative?

Are you kidding? How out of touch can you be? The MSM absolutely never went in depth about scandals like Rotherham or Cologne. The only reason either of those stories broke was because of alternative media, and the mainstream (once again) went out of their way to avoid talking about Islam. If you think the MSM is pushing some narrative about how bad Islam is for the EU, I have to ask just who it is you're watching.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

They can and do make some of those true. And some were true until they changed them. For example, less than one percent of any group is radical--until you bomb the shit out of that group day and night. Then, suddenly, mysteriously, those numbers inexplicably change...

Or, at least, those who talk in terms of 'spreading democracy' pretend to consider the changes inexplicable.

There has absolutely never been a time when less than one percent of Muslims were radical, and there is no way you can empirically justify that. Blowback is a real thing; no one is denying that. That said, there are problems with Muslims, both in the Islamic world and in the West that simply cannot be explained that way.

 

[Ender]

There has absolutely never been a time when less than one percent of Muslims were radical, and there is no way you can empirically justify that. Blowback is a real thing; no one is denying that. That said, there are problems with Muslims, both in the Islamic world and in the West that simply cannot be explained that way.

Link?

 

[presence]

Was investigated by the FBI. (that stirs curiosity,)

They judged him a good candidate and assigned a handler.

an event was needed before elections,, and to distract from Bilderberg coverage.

He was triggered.


How many people did the Cops Shoot?

I can't help but be drawn to this slant.

First three things that came to my mind:

How many did the cops shoot?
How did the FBI enable it?
What prescription pycho drugs was he on?

 

[acptulsa]

You're still missing the point.

The narrative-builders are in the universities.

Now, I will call someone a name: You're a dick

I'm not the one who missed an opportunity to educate my roommate because I had my facts wrong, and couldn't resist an opportunity to be arrogant about having my facts wrong.

I can't help but be drawn to this slant.

First three things that came to my mind:

How many did the cops shoot?
How did the FBI enable it?
What prescription pycho drugs was he on?

You don't know how many the cops shot. I don't know. Pete doesn't know. The cops don't know. But the local pathologists are probably getting close to the answer.

Not that they'll share.

The FBI investigated this guy twice. Twice. They could well have enabled it by merely ignoring what he was up to lately, and not doing anything about it or warning anyone about it.

Among other things.

And most of the mass shooters in this millennium have been on SSRIs.

 

[susano]

Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
Was investigated by the FBI. (that stirs curiosity,)

They judged him a good candidate and assigned a handler.

an event was needed before elections,, and to distract from Bilderberg coverage.

He was triggered.


How many people did the Cops Shoot?

I can't help but be drawn to this slant.

First three things that came to my mind:

How many did the cops shoot?
How did the FBI enable it?
What prescription pycho drugs was he on?

And that's assuming anyone was shot and this isn't just a psy op drama. In the people were really shot theory, the killer could have been mind controlled. I don't think anyone was shot, though and the killer could be some guy living in Afghanistan, long dead, or some Jew in Tel Aviv. Dunno.

I heard some whiny guy on TV, in the other room, and went to see. He was recounting the horror and fake crying (no tears, but pulling a face and whimpering), just like all of the other fake drama witnesses.

 

[devil21]

Totally unrelated:

Back to Square One: Obama approves greater military role in Afghanistan (2 days ago)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...ma-approves-greater-military-role-afghanistan

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And that's assuming anyone was shot and this isn't just a psy op drama. In the people were really shot theory, the killer could have been mind controlled. I don't think anyone was shot, though and the killer could be some guy living in Afghanistan, long dead, or some Jew in Tel Aviv. Dunno.

Fwiw, I can confirm 99% that there was a shooting there, at least. An IRL friend lost a friend of hers there.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Um, you do realize that this guy was a natural born citizen, and his parents did not get here via Mexico. Right?

Right?

Do you think that will really matter to the masses?

 

[Ender]

Interesting article:

Orlando Shooting Means Trump for President

By Linh Dinh

June 13, 2016

Waking up to news of the Orlando shooting, I thought of the possibility that a Muslim shooter would be identified, in which case a Trump presidency would be nearly guaranteed.

As with 9/11, the 2015 Paris massacre and the San Bernardino shooting, Islamic terror is immediately fingered, with the purported killer already dead. What lightning fast police work, eh?

With so many corpses to sort out, the name and origin of the perpetrator are immediately available. Omar Mateen is 29-years-old, of Afghan descent and is a registered Democrat to boot.

After the Boston Marathon Bombing, the Tsarnaev brothers were meant to be killed, but Dzhokhar miraculously survived though hundreds of bullets were fired at the boat in which he was hiding. If the purpose was to uncover a terror network, why would our government try to kill such a valuable prisoner? Unarmed, injured and trapped, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev wasn’t going anywhere. They could have starved him out.

A twist in the Orlando shooting is that it took place at a gay nightclub. In recent years, gay and transgender rights have been forefronted by our ruling class and its attendant media. This maneuver is meant to get American citizens to rage at each other. Distract, divide and rule. With gay marriage accepted, our rulers came up with another wedge in the transgender bathroom access issue. As we argue who gets to defecate where, our ruling class will continue to crap over all of us.

In 2008, Obama was touted as a political outsider who will hose away all of the rot and bloody criminality of the Bush years. He turned out to be a deft move by our ruling class. Though fools still refuse to see it, Obama is a perfect servant of our military banking complex. Now, Trump is being trumpeted as another political outsider.

A Trump presidency will temporarily appease restless, lower class whites, while serving as a magnet for liberal anger. This will buy our ruling class time as they continue to wage war abroad while impoverishing Americans back home. Like Obama, Trump won’t fulfill any of his election promises, and this, too, will be blamed on bipartisan politics.

Who will benefit from this story of a Muslim Democrat massacring homosexuals?

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/06/linh-dinh/orlando-gay-bar-shooting/

 

[Contumacious]

So it's another one of those US citizen wackos who read about it on the internet and went out killing? It's a crime not foreign terrorism.

But let's just nuke wherever he or his grandparents came from just to be sure...

Typically, that is the reason Muslims RETALIATE. The US has been fucking with those folks since 1949

 

[acptulsa]

Interesting article:



https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/06/linh-dinh/orlando-gay-bar-shooting/

*yawn* If you say so.

Trump supporters will be all like, boogity boogity Muslims. Clinton supporters will be all like, boogity boogity guns.

Provided those looking at Johnson have sense enough to say boogity boogity blowback, nothing changes.

 

[susano]

Totally unrelated:

Back to Square One: Obama approves greater military role in Afghanistan (2 days ago)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...ma-approves-greater-military-role-afghanistan

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Fwiw, I can confirm 99% that there was a shooting there, at least. An IRL friend lost a friend of hers there.

A friend of yours (close, not close?) said she had a friend killed there?

Who is your friend and who is her friend? Don't mean names but something about them.

 

[acptulsa]

A friend of yours (close, not close?) said she had a friend killed there?

Who is your friend and who is her friend? Don't mean names but something about them.

Why are you mining this information?

Not that I care, but saying might get you more cooperation.

 

[susano]

Interesting article:



https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/06/linh-dinh/orlando-gay-bar-shooting/

I find it hard to buy that Trump was an elite pick, put in place to play the outsider. Why wouldn't they have preferred Rubio, a neocon who was part of the Gang of Eight (on board with the immigration & and amnesty agenda)? He's much better spoken, young, attractive, Hispanic and willing to play the game.