Islam a threat?

[samwe]

My wife and I are enthusiastic Ron Paul supports who strongly agree with his positions.
We do have a concern.
There is a group of Muslims who do believe that the entire world needs to be under Sharia law.
We can see this happening in Africa and countries like Indonesia, and the Philipines. Europe seems to also be having trouble with this.

I think reducing our foreign oil usage could limit the funding of these people, but what other answer is there to this?

 

[Paulitician]

Those radicals won't hold any significant power... ever.

 

[beobeli]

Give them something better to do -- like doing business, trading, making money, raising children. We have not tried that for almost 100 years.

 

[Oliver]

Those radicals won't hold any significant power... ever.

19 of them changed a country with 300,000,000.
To me this sound powerful.

Even if the assumption is correct. The world
didn't change into Terror-Brigades and Hordes
of Terrorists.

But it was "nice" fear-mongering nevertheless.

 

[DaneKirk]

They can be neutralized through different means. That is one of the reasons we need the FBI and parts of the CIA, NSA and others. Without them we would not be able to do anything but rely on what other countries tell us. As long as we have Ron Paul at the top he will be able to put an end to their bad practices and use them in a responsible way. Keep in mind, the head of Intelligence in this country is a General, who is loyal to the President and the Constitution like all of us in the service. He will do what ever Paul says if he becomes President. Using these assets is the only way we will be able to stop attacks from those crazies that do come over here. Just getting out of the Muslim worlds face is not going to be enough to stop deadly attacks from happening.

 

[zmall88]

Islam is not a threat to anyone.
when our government supports extremely oppressive tyrannical governments across the muslim world, occupy their countries and subsidize Israel, frustrated people come here and attack us.
Without that provocation, Islam is as much a threat to anyone as Christianity is.
Historically speaking, Muslims ruled most of the world for a great part of the last 1500 years and were literally at the door of europe for 700 years (spain was muslim until the reconquista when the spaniards were forced to convert, migrate or die), nothing much happened at that time so I don't think we have anything to worry about from islam.
This general exaggeration of the "relentless foreign enemy" is what enables fascist states to operate. Thats exactly what the neocons have been feeding the american public for the last 6 years. They dehumanize a whole group of people (1.5 billion muslims???) and that helps their agenda.
ron paul is smart when he told people to read what their enemies are saying.
I remember reading the transcript from one of Osama bin laden videos on BBC...i think it was the one that won Bush the 2004 election. he was offering some kind of peace or something for leaving saudi arabia, stopping support for puppet government and israel.
dont let the media control your mind....

 

[partypooper]

I think reducing our foreign oil usage could limit the funding of these people, but what other answer is there to this?

1) stop meddling in the affairs of other nations (muslim and non-muslim). it is tempting to do that because it seems you can micromanage history and protest yourself. but ultimately, you can't because it is impossible to gauge consequences of your actions in a network this complex. that will reduce one of the factors that contributes to radical islam - not the only one, but an important one.

2) once we change our foreign policy, it will be much easier to form coalitions around the world. right now, we and russians are funding different part of arab/islamic world. but russians and chinese are no more interested in living under shariah law than we are. so there is a lot of potential in the world for a strong coalition against radical islam.

3) if threats become very severe, we can attack them. if we follow steps 1 and 2 we might even get somebody to help us.

 

[angelatc]

My wife and I are enthusiastic Ron Paul supports who strongly agree with his positions.
We do have a concern.
There is a group of Muslims who do believe that the entire world needs to be under Sharia law.
We can see this happening in Africa and countries like Indonesia, and the Philipines. Europe seems to also be having trouble with this.

I think reducing our foreign oil usage could limit the funding of these people, but what other answer is there to this?

If they think they're going to take control of Africa, China will deal with them. China has a lot of interest in African oil.

The problems in Europe stem from two things. Cultural isolation in the name of "pride," which is something we're sadly starting to do here, and their continued involvement in the war.

Terrorism is always the result of occupation.

 

[Dave Pedersen]

In extreme cases letter of marque can be used to employ mercenaries to hunt down particular individuals.

Like beobeli said they simply need to be treated as equals in international relations and let them find their way through honest industry. Saddam was a puppet of a meddling CIA. Iraq was a creation of a meddling post war treaty. Iran was ruled by a duly elected and evidently well principled president until he was deposed in 1953 by a meddling CIA. Osama was an agent of the CIA.

The United States has been meddling and destroying the seeds of representative government in the middle east for over 50 years. At the same time they have been supporting unjust and often brutal regimes in their place.

We need to simply let them work out their own destiny without meddling in their internal affairs.

 

[Liberty Star]

I don't they hate us because we have freedoms. They hate us because of us supplying arms to one side in Israeli-Palestinian war and Israelis using those arms to kill arabs there. Ron Paul will make foreign policy better and save us all billions of tax dollars of aid going to these fighting factions in other countries.

 

[pcosmar]

My wife and I are enthusiastic Ron Paul supports who strongly agree with his positions.
We do have a concern.
There is a group of Muslims who do believe that the entire world needs to be under Sharia law.
We can see this happening in Africa and countries like Indonesia, and the Philipines. Europe seems to also be having trouble with this.

I think reducing our foreign oil usage could limit the funding of these people, but what other answer is there to this?

They are a small threat.
Stop provoking them and they will wither to a small group of angry (but impotent) shepherds.
They are no greater threat than radical Christians, or any other fringe group.

 

[Daveforliberty]

There are a small group of Christians who believe the world should be ruled by Christian law. (I am a Christian, but do not believe this)

There are a small group of racists who believe the world should be divided according to race.

There are a small group of anarchists who think there should be no government whatsoever.

There are a small group of nazis who think the world should be ruled by fascism.

There is a large, very large, very, very, very large group who believes in none of the above.

 

[azminuteman]

I don't they hate us because we have freedoms. They hate us because of us supplying arms to one side in Israeli-Palestinian war and Israelis using those arms to kill arabs there. Ron Paul will make foreign policy better and save us all billions of tax dollars of aid going to these fighting factions in other countries.

I'll repeat what I've said before:


Why do people assume that they hate us because we watch wrestling and MTV?
Do they hate Australians, New Zealanders, and Japanese?
Do they hate the Koreans?
Do they hate the Russians?
Do they hate the Swiss?
Do they hate the Swedish?
Do they hate the Irish?
Do they hate South Africans?
Do they hate the fine people from New Guinea?

The answer is right in front of them. They hate us because we are in their backyard.

With regards to the Iraqis, this holds true:

If you had a houseguest that overstayed their welcome, made a mess of your bathroom, stank up the place, went to bed late thereby keeping you up late, ate all your food, BUT did bring cool toys for the kids, wouldn't you want them gone?
I mean "just leave, I'll clean up."

I had a neighbor that played his bongo drums at 2AM.
I called the cops a couple of times after face to face didn't work but that didn't really work either.
I did want the guy to stop playing at the wee hours of night to the point I wanted to take his drums away.
I moved (bongo drums not the reason) and somehow I do not wish for the guy to NOT have his drums; it isn't a problem for me anymore.

 

[ourlongroad]

The concept that Islam is a threat was propagated in the West in order to create rationale for Islam's destruction and reformation.

This is NOT about containing a threat, this is about fooling the public into supporting the takeover of the Middle East and removing the Muslims as a potential force which might interfere with the elite's globalization plans.

Further, the Middle East is being recreated using the EU or NAU models. Do you know that one of the first things the global elite did after taking over Baghdad, create a Central Bank just like our Federal Reserve Bank.

C'mon, read some of Zbigniew Brezinski's material, this stuff is all planned-out. These guys are just moving the chess pieces and putting them into a position which maximizes their wealth and strength.

 

[RonPaulalways]

Radical Islam was created through western intervention.

In 1953, Iran had a secular democratically elected Prime Minister that nationalized oil, and the US responded by funding mullahs and monarchists to overthrow its democracy and put the country under a dictatorship. The Shah and his mullah allies killed off the socialists, nationalists, secularists, etc, and left the nation ripe for an Islamic Revolution in 1979.

In Afghanistan, a secular communist government was in power in the 1970's. The US funded Islamic radicals to overthrow this Soviet friendly government and draw the Soviet army into Afghanistan and bog them down in an insurgency. Through out the 1980's the US funneled upwards of $22 BILLION to international Islamic radicals to come to Afghanistan to fight the secular communist government. This set the stage for 911.

Iraq, Syria, were under Baathist rule for decades, which is decidedly Secular.

Palestine was under secular Fatah rule for decades, only losing power to Islamic Hamas after Israel encouraged Hamas' rise in the 1980's to weaken Fatah.

The middle east's natural tendency is secularism, leave it alone and secularism will rise again.

 

[ourlongroad]

The middle east's natural tendency is secularism, leave it alone and secularism will rise again.

Yes.

But the people in charge for at least the last 100 years won't leave it alone, that's why we're voting for Ron Paul. We want the World to be left alone. We want the World and all its inhabitants to be allowed to prosper,.

 

[mtmedlin]

My wife and I are enthusiastic Ron Paul supports who strongly agree with his positions.
We do have a concern.
There is a group of Muslims who do believe that the entire world needs to be under Sharia law.
We can see this happening in Africa and countries like Indonesia, and the Philipines. Europe seems to also be having trouble with this.

I think reducing our foreign oil usage could limit the funding of these people, but what other answer is there to this?

What you realy have to ask yourself is whether or not radical Islam is more dangerous than Christianity? Look over history and see who has killed more in the name of god.

 

[dougkeenan]

"Fear is the mind killer. It is the little death that brings total obliteration."

Google for the rest of it if you don't know it by heart.

 

[Goldwater Conservative]

My wife and I are enthusiastic Ron Paul supports who strongly agree with his positions.
We do have a concern.
There is a group of Muslims who do believe that the entire world needs to be under Sharia law.
We can see this happening in Africa and countries like Indonesia, and the Philipines. Europe seems to also be having trouble with this.

If you have a pimple, doesn't picking at it only make it worse and lead to the possibility of infection and scarring? The same applies to fundamentalist Islamic terrorists. They would be an ordinary zit if it wasn't for our constant picking, and if we don't stop picking our entire face is going to be painful and disfigured.

I think reducing our foreign oil usage could limit the funding of these people, but what other answer is there to this?

If we try to force through alternative energy, their economies won't have time to adjust like they would if we let the market naturally guide any such transition. They would be impoverished, which increases the probability of individuals there turning to radical violent causes like terrorism. Just one wealthy backer, and you have a serious problem on your hands.

 

[samwe]

I don't they hate us because we have freedoms.

I did not say this in my post at all and it is not my position

What you realy have to ask yourself is whether or not radical Islam is more dangerous than Christianity? Look over history and see who has killed more in the name of god.

Christianity, though Catholicism, was used by men to gain control over people.
When the bible was made available for anyone to read, this power structure rapidly diminished. Christianity is hardly a threat currently or in the future. Your post really does not address what I was asking about.

Thanks to everyone who added valuable content that addressed my concerns. I found it all very interesting and it has provided plenty to think about.