Is this true?

[voytechs]

"Trevor Lyman Set up Ron Paul National Agency Biz?" - FMNN

http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=52059

How did we get from an idea of forming a PAC to a for profit agency that relies on making money off of mailing lists and for other candidates?

 

[steph3n]

"Trevor Lyman Set up Ron Paul National Agency Biz?" - FMNN

http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=52059

How did we get from an idea of forming a PAC to a for profit agency that relies on making money off of mailing lists and for other candidates?

Actually what is the problem we need something to make a lasting impact!

 

[Doriath]

Actually what is the problem we need something to make a lasting impact!

Exactly...and that's what it's suggested Lyman might be doing. Sounds like a good idea to me.

 

[dircha]

If he can setup shop and make a living for himself out of it, more power to him. He seems like a skilled individual, and other candidates are rightly interested in him. I hope he is successful.

But we all know that you can't buy a grassroots campaign of the scope and scale Ron Paul has, and we know there was nothing Lyman himself did to make or break Novemeber 5th. He did very little to promote or market it himself, and there was nothing special about the website. I certainly appreciate his efforts, but it isn't as though his helping other candidates is giving away any of our secrets; we don't have secrets, we have people power.

And personally I will not submit my email address to another fundraising event unless there is a legally binding promise that my email address will not be sold or traded.

 

[voytechs]

Actually what is the problem we need something to make a lasting impact!

How is making a for profit company going to make an impact on Ron Paul's campaign? I don't get it.

 

[t3soro]

if he can spread the message and make a living for himself more power to him. that's what the free market is all about. its a win-win situation.

 

[Mark Rushmore]

It barely matters:

If he sells out he'll be forgotten.
If he carries on he'll [hopefully] be effective.

Let the market carry on, if it is fooled, so be it... we have the power.

 

[AlexMerced]

It get around a lot of restrictions we'd have with a PAC and Non-Profit, though Trevor if you'd like to hire me, PM me, I'm a graduate who needs a job

Now essentially donation amounts arn't an issue cause essentially now your not donating to a Political entity but for-profit agency, meaning donation caps are out the window

 

[voytechs]

if he can spread the message and make a living for himself more power to him. that's what the free market is all about. its a win-win situation.

Yeah, but he is making a living off a private email list that we all thought would be sacred and not used for other purposes. I guess I'm a little shocked at the fact that the confidence of all the people who pledged would be undermined as so.

 

[LibertyEagle]

If he is using the email addresses from the fundraisers, then bad on him. I cannot believe any of you people would agree to him doing this. He has badly overstepped his boundaries.

 

[AlexMerced]

ummm... a sacred email list... seriously, I sign up for 50 different email lists a day, if someone really wanted thos emails they would be hard to find by just looking at forum profile or a google search, seriously.

Ok, He's never used the email list for non-RP reasons, and apolgized for the RRL mailing, he's resolved not do it again and he's a sincere RP supporter.

Plus, do you want the blimp or not.

Plus no where does it say he's using any email addresses for anything... jesus you guys are quick to crucify

Again, Trevor has establish seperate mailing lists for each fundraiser, and I see no reason why he wouldn't continue to do so.

 

[voytechs]

If he is using the email addresses from the fundraisers, then bad on him. I cannot believe any of you people would agree to him doing this. He has badly overstepped his boundaries.

Now Trevor hasn't used the email for any other purpose. The reason I asked this question because the article in FMNN suggests he is planing on using the list for other purposes and candidates, I'm assuming this is from some kind of interview with him. So lets not jump to conclusions too quickly and simply ascertain which direction this is going.

 

[ggibson1]

I honored my pledge and hopefully everyone else will as well...


For those that were bushies or just didnt pay attention before... I hung out at the anti-Bush sites over the past several years and they did a really amazing job at starting organizations like moveon.org etc.. which have been doing everything from fighting court battles to getting people elected at many levels of government...

I believe this is what they are attempting to do... i.e. the Blimp is just the begining... they are just getting started and are going to work towards a true long term Ron Paul Revolution after Paul gets in the WhiteHouse.

This takes more than just one guy with a website. Eventually it will require many many full time people.

Instead of being suspicious realize that we are in this for the long haul... not just a few stunts here and there and when Paul becomes president pretend that nothing else needs to be done.

We need a long term organized infrastructure and this appears to be coming together in part with these Trevor people...

 

[alexpasch]

I think it's more about creating a network whereby grassroots can be more effective. By "other candidates' I don't think they refer to Rudy or Hillary but rather those running for lower offices that have Paul's views.

Real change will require changes to officials elected across all levels of government, not just the presidency.

 

[AlexMerced]

Now Trevor hasn't used the email for any other purpose. The reason I asked this question because the article in FMNN suggests he is planing on using the list for other purposes and candidates, I'm assuming this is from some kind of interview with him. So lets not jump to conclusions too quickly and simply ascertain which direction this is going.

My assumption is that he was being vague so the FEC doesn't try to get involved on a corporation functioning as a PAC

 

[Visual]

I don't have a problem with him making a for-profit, especially if it allowed the Ron Paul Revolution to continue to other elections. He should only use email's given to him specifically for that purpose. Just don't use emails given for Nov 5th, 11th or tea party, because it's wrong. At the end of all this, send them an email inviting them to sign up for the for-profit, but don't volunteer them without their permission.

 

[AlexMerced]

I honored my pledge and hopefully everyone else will as well...


For those that were bushies or just didnt pay attention before... I hung out at the anti-Bush sites over the past several years and they did a really amazing job at starting organizations like moveon.org etc.. which have been doing everything from fighting court battles to getting people elected at many levels of government...

I believe this is what they are attempting to do... i.e. the Blimp is just the begining... they are just getting started and are going to work towards a true long term Ron Paul Revolution after Paul gets in the WhiteHouse.

This takes more than just one guy with a website. Eventually it will require many many full time people.

Instead of being suspicious realize that we are in this for the long haul... not just a few stunts here and there and when Paul becomes president pretend that nothing else needs to be done.

We need a long term organized infrastructure and this appears to be coming together in part with these Trevor people...

That's why i created the Liberty Independence Alliance in my sig, i will in the future be offer prizes to people for writing Liberty themed Blogs and videos in the future. I posted the first official discussion on Iran today, check it out .

 

[LibertyEagle]

Again, Trevor has establish seperate mailing lists for each fundraiser, and I see no reason why he wouldn't continue to do so.

He has also badly overstepped his boundaries on more than one occasion and "I see not reason why he wouldn't continue to do so."

 

[european]

Yeah, but he is making a living off a private email list that we all thought would be sacred and not used for other purposes. I guess I'm a little shocked at the fact that the confidence of all the people who pledged would be undermined as so.

i think this is the wrong way to look at it.
i feel that it is him creating an environment where all US citizens can buy efforts instead of donating. This means that there are no rules like with donations. The guy has started a company for the good of the cause!!!
now how awesome is that?!
instead of buying adds at the regular MSM, you can buy 'airtime' with the blimp. It is a move of a genius if you ask me!
Next to that, if all goes well, and supporters do buy loads of 'airtime' it should be wise even if he gets himself on the payroll of the newly founded company. That would mean he can work fulltime for the Ron Paul R3VOLution for an endless time. Also as pointed out before very well by ggibson1, it is about creating positions for ourselves, so we can get influencial outside the normal government aswell. A revolution can't be channeled in politics only. It has to reach out in more aspects of society

 

[AlexMerced]

I don't know, I'm a music promoter as well, and from that perspective he seems to be making the right decsions from my perspective.