Is This The End Of The USA?

[Invisible Man]

Let me try one...



In response to the question quoted, more jobs overseas is bad when they are YOUR jobs, and / or Slave Labor. Not all overseas jobs are bad. Not all are good either.

Its just the way you come across sounds a LOT like ZippyJuan, and he is Permabanned.

Lets see, since my opinion is not fully established on you. How do you feel about Fiat Currency? Does the USA operate and maintain an Honest Money System? Is interest on Fiat Currency fair or honest? Is there any issue with unlimited currency printing? Please be relatively specific...

If you see anything leftist in my saying that, then you need a realignment.

You sound like you advocate the economic policies of Elizabeth Warren.

To answer your questions: I am against government regulation of currency. I advocate free market banking and currency. If currency that is not backed by a commodity can survive in a free market without legal tender laws or other regulations favoring it, then I see no reason to ban it. The USA does not operate and maintain an honest money system. The question of whether or not interest on fiat currency is fair or honest is a function of whether or not people voluntarily enter contracts with each other to borrow and lend fiat currency with interest, and do so without defrauding one another. Unlimited currency printing devalues the currency.

 

[donnay]

That's better than if they had the same regulations imposed on them. At least now there's somewhere we can go to escape them.

The regulations imposed to the Chinese people are far worse--inhumane and barbaric. I do not support cheap Chinese goods that are produced that way.

I fail to see how that's a bad thing.

Hmm...you failed to see that people can stop producing things because they do not like the truth to come out?

Then, if that happened, they'd be manufactured somewhere else to meet the demand. It would be more expensive. But being able to get them cheaply for a little while would be better than not at all, and having to settle for that more expensive option all along.

Yes, President Trump got the job done.

It doesn't matter if we have a level playing field or not. Trump's trade war with China only hurt us. It didn't help us. The prospect of ending or lessening the impacts of that trade war after Trump's gone is a good thing, not bad.

So you think American's should pay more in trade than other countries? America has been taken advantage of for far too long. President Trump corrected that.

 

[Invisible Man]

The regulations imposed to the Chinese people are far worse--inhumane and barbaric. I do not support cheap Chinese goods that are produced that way.

By all means, refrain from buying them then. And if you can convince other consumers to join you in that without government involvement, then more power to you. But there's no question that their availability is a boon to our economy.

So you think American's should pay more in trade than other countries?

If American consumers choose to do that, then yes, of course. Their ability to buy more dollars' worth of goods from the people of other countries than what they sell to them should not be interfered with by the government. Any attempt by the government to regulate that can only harm us.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

Sometimes I wonder if you are deliberately obtuse, or simply have Asperger's Syndrome.

LOL he's trying to make you think. It'd be nice if you followed his lead but I guess it's easier to label someone as "obtuse" or "Asperger's Syndrome".

 

[Ender]

It's amazing to see how many think they're not in The Matrix, yet totally believe all it tells them.

Government has NO business being in BUSINESS- and especially telling any American- or other countries- what they can or cannot do. REAL capitalism works beautifully. Falling for crony "capitalism" seems to be todays norm.

 

[otherone]

It seems to me that the regulations you mention are the real problem, and not the doing of that work by others. If regulations in the USA make it harder and more expensive for that work to be done here, then isn't it a good thing when it still gets done more easily and cheaply elsewhere?

But I'm still not sure you're talking about something real. You were ostensibly answering my question about us suffering a problem that resulted from too many people in other countries having jobs. But you didn't mention anything that supports the conclusion that we did.

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Again. The rest of the world can be happier than pigs in shit. I wish prosperity on everyone. You continue to infer from Oyarde's comment something that was not implied. Do you want others to be successful at the expense of your neighbors? Do you not realize WHY Trump was elected in the first place?

 

[otherone]

LOL he's trying to make you think. It'd be nice if you followed his lead but I guess it's easier to label someone as "obtuse" or "Asperger's Syndrome".

The poster in question has a history of straining at gnats in his comments.
Or am I being obtuse?
Care to explain what he means?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Its just the way you come across sounds a LOT like ZippyJuan, and he is Permabanned

Close, but not quite.

You're arguing with erowe, just another globalist leftarian.

Disregard him.

 

[DamianTV]

If you see anything leftist in my saying that, then you need a realignment.

You sound like you advocate the economic policies of Elizabeth Warren.

To answer your questions: I am against government regulation of currency. I advocate free market banking and currency. If currency that is not backed by a commodity can survive in a free market without legal tender laws or other regulations favoring it, then I see no reason to ban it. The USA does not operate and maintain an honest money system. The question of whether or not interest on fiat currency is fair or honest is a function of whether or not people voluntarily enter contracts with each other to borrow and lend fiat currency with interest, and do so without defrauding one another. Unlimited currency printing devalues the currency.

Im not sure if I should ask this or not, as it may not be a good idea. I would like to see "better" posts that show your stance. Now, Im not sure if requesting "better" posts is really a good idea because I dont want people coming after you if your views arent inline with theirs.

At this point, not sure if it matters...

 

[RJB]

Close, but not quite.

You're arguing with erowe, just another globalist leftarian.

Disregard him.

He claimed to be a college professor. I guess with tenure a person can lose touch with the reality of struggling to feed a family and the importance of having a job.

 

[Snowball]

Biden's DHS Nominee Won't Say If Economic Improvement Is a Valid Asylum Claim

https://cnsnews.com/article/nationa...ay-if-economic-improvement-valid-asylum-claim

That's a Yes.

Millions will be admitted and receive free cash and free everything.

 

[Invisible Man]

I wish prosperity on everyone.

That means you agree with me about the thing I said that you thought indicated I was either being intentionally obtuse or had Aspergers.

I'm confident that what I inferred from oyarde's comment was precisely what he implied. I don't know why you think otherwise.

 

[otherone]

That means you agree with me about the thing I said that you thought indicated I was either being intentionally obtuse or had Aspergers.

You never made a claim.

 

[otherone]

He claimed to be a college professor. I guess with tenure a person can lose touch with the reality of struggling to feed a family and the importance of having a job.

He's an ideologue.
I'm certain he'd have no problem with online college classes being outsourced to Vietnam (as long as someone succeeds).
He'd probably refuse unemployment too, as that would be hypocritical.
Good for him!

 

[Invisible Man]

You never made a claim.

Good point. I asked a rhetorical question.

Oyarde was saying that he saw more jobs overseas as a bad thing. And I disagreed. You were initially flabbergasted that anyone could disagree with him about that. But then you came around to agree with me.

 

[donnay]

By all means, refrain from buying them then. And if you can convince other consumers to join you in that without government involvement, then more power to you. But there's no question that their availability is a boon to our economy.

With the saturation of Chinese made goods, one is hard pressed to buy American or even from other countries. Africa is another country where slave tactics are implemented by large corporations like DeBeers and Nestle. So Big Government and Big Corporations are certainly no even close to fair and equitable trade.

For the most part, I buy local and stay local in my protest. So I do practice what I preach, and even make my own products from scratch as well. I am currently making castile soap right now.

If American consumers choose to do that, then yes, of course. Their ability to buy more dollars' worth of goods from the people of other countries than what they sell to them should not be interfered with by the government. Any attempt by the government to regulate that can only harm us.

I believe I answered this above in my summary.

 

[otherone]

Good point. I asked a rhetorical question.

Oyarde was saying that he saw more jobs overseas as a bad thing. And I disagreed. You were initially flabbergasted that anyone could disagree with him about that. But then you came around to agree with me.

My apologies.
I asked if you were obtuse or on the spectrum.
I was wrong.
You're actually a 12 year old.

 

[Occam's Banana]

We will get it back NEXT election.

When did "we" ever have it in the first place?

 

[Invisible Man]

Im not sure if I should ask this or not, as it may not be a good idea. I would like to see "better" posts that show your stance. Now, Im not sure if requesting "better" posts is really a good idea because I dont want people coming after you if your views arent inline with theirs.

At this point, not sure if it matters...

I'm not sure what specifically you're asking for. If you have particular questions, like the ones you asked, I can take stabs at answering them, like I did those.

More generally, for simplicity's sake my view on trade is the same as Ron Paul's as far as I can tell. And he's written and said a lot on the subject.

Here's one apropos fairly recent article where he addresses the canard of whether or not a level playing field should make any difference.
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arc...americans-should-adopt-unilateral-free-trade/

Here's another where he directly criticizes Trump's trade wars.
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2018/march/12/tariffs-are-not-the-answer/

For more in depth defenses and explanations of the same basic position, I'm certain that you can find a number of good articles at mises.org, fff.org, independent.org, aier.org, econlib.org, and other solid libertarian/free market websites that are committed to the same essential policy positions that this website is according to its official site mission. Those sites and the authors who contribute to them used to be highly respected sources here, before Breitbart, et al, took their place.

Nothing I've said on this subject should appear at all strange here. In 2008 and 2012, the views I'm taking, at which you and others take umbrage, were pretty much taken for granted here. And it was those who differed who found themselves on the defensive.

If it was the topic of free banking that you wanted a better explanation of, good information can be found at some of those same sites.

Nobody has to agree with Ron Paul on everything. I get that. But when his views get ridiculed here as if they don't belong or are the ramblings of a troll, something is fishy.

 

[Anti Federalist]

LOL...all you fuckers are racist devils and white supremacist terrorists, according to the US military and US government.

In four years every one of us here will be on the lam, in jail, in a gulag, or dead.

And you assholes are arguing with a globalist sock puppet over trade policy of nation that is dead.