Is This The End Of The USA?

[DamianTV]

Pretty simple question. Private poll, as not to cause conflict.

I am just curious if people are aware of HOW SCREWED we are...

 

[Murray N Rothbard]

The US has been fundamentally dead as least since Lincoln and his Civil War.

 

[tommyrp12]

Is it dead? I don't know. We are in trouble tho.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "end of the USA". End of the USA as we tend to know it as being relatively free, or end of the USA as the dominant world force (and policeman and spreader of "democracy")? Or like.. the nation is going to dissolve and either split up or become a territory of a different one, or effectively act as one as it loses its autonomy?

I definitely see us moving in the Chinese direction and following the Communist Chinese lead in many policy areas including education and state-regulated information and surveilling citizens and watching everything we do and prioritizing central business interests over peoples' rights. Do I think this will lead to the country collapsing? No. I see too much hate of freedom to the point where so many people will be happy slaves and certain initiatives will have high public approval. And our economy will continue to be among the strongest as well as other things.

 

[unknown]

The US has been fundamentally dead as least since Lincoln and his Civil War.

Shay's and Whiskey's rebellions.

 

[CaptUSA]

The USA has been gone for a long time.

But the American Empire still lives. And I expect it will live until the dollar no longer remains as the world's reserve currency. If the world ever seeks an alternate reserve, we are toast. And it will happen VERY fast! We are on incredibly shaky ground and the only reason it hasn't happened yet is because we have the military might to scare off potential defectors.

For this reason, I expect the new administration to flex our military muscle. Doesn't really matter where, as long as it shows we are still dominant.

 

[69360]

It ends every 4 years.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

I can only hope that Citizens rise up. Government is not about POTUS but everyone else. There is probably so much corruption and dirt that it needs a reset. It is time to offer Clemency to everyone in the government. Get out now with no repercussions. Judges, Senators, all legislators, lawyers, everyone. If you stay in office the dirt comes out and you are prosecuted.

 

[Invisible Man]

Of course it's not. But a guy can wish.

 

[Invisible Man]

Shay's and Whiskey's rebellions.

I don't disagree.

But then, given that you take it back that far, it seems to me that rather than pointing to those things as the end of the USA, it's really more accurate to say that they define what the USA always was from its beginning. The USA we have now is a continuation of the experiment of the American Empire and the rule of a federal regime over subjects without their consent that began with the ratification of the Constitution.

 

[bv3]

Depends on one's answer to this question: What is the USA?

To me, merely another modifying polity on the long and toilsome road towards that leads inexorable, none-the-less, to a more perfect human liberty. It does seem that very path has forked off, now, from the USA--and that the USA has no further direct improvements to make, rather will present a fertile source of examples for the next on how things can get off-path, and how, even, to avoid them.

The when, how, what, and where of liberty's next ascension, I do not know. I do know that the decline and fall of the United States was predominantly achieved internally by sociological propaganda--from which fact the amorphous next should draw the salutary (and not unknown) conclusion that for a Republic to persist, it must be populated by a truly well-educated citizenry, and that credentialism is no substitute for education.

Not to attempt to steal a thread, but perhaps others would offer explanations of their positions, as well as diagnoses as to what went wrong here in the US.

 

[Invisible Man]

Depends on one's answer to this question: What is the USA?

To me, merely another modifying polity on the long and toilsome road towards that leads inexorable, none-the-less, to a more perfect human liberty. It does seem that very path has forked off, now, from the USA--and that the USA has no further direct improvements to make, rather will present a fertile source of examples for the next on how things can get off-path, and how, even, to avoid them.

The when, how, what, and where of liberty's next ascension, I do not know. I do know that the decline and fall of the United States was predominantly achieved internally by sociological propaganda--from which fact the amorphous next should draw the salutary (and not unknown) conclusion that for a Republic to persist, it must be populated by a truly well-educated citizenry, and that credentialism is no substitute for education.

Not to attempt to steal a thread, but perhaps others would offer explanations of their positions, as well as diagnoses as to what went wrong here in the US.

Was the creation of the USA really a step in the direction of more perfect human liberty? Or would remaining without a federal government subsequent to secession from Britain, or possibly even remaining as British colonies, have been better?

 

[oyarde]

Will it be the end of the US as you thought of it after four years of pelosi - schumer - harris - biden ? Probably . Too late to do much about it now . While you may wish for something different the majority does not .Take care of your own the best you can and prepare as you can for the worst .

 

[Invisible Man]

Will it be the end of the US as you thought of it after four years of pelosi - schumer - harris - biden ? Probably . Too late to do much about it now . While you may wish for something different the majority does not .Take care of your own the best you can and prepare as you can for the worst .

Got any ideas on why whatever it is you think is going to happen didn't happen with Pelosi, Reid, and Obama-Biden?

 

[oyarde]

Got any ideas on why whatever it is you think is going to happen didn't happen with Pelosi, Reid, and Obama-Biden?

i expect it to be worse . i would expect the end of on line ammo and gun sales , more wars , more spending , more printing , more taxing , more debt , weakening dollar , more jobs overseas and stock market corrections.

 

[Invisible Man]

more jobs overseas

In your eyes this is a bad thing?

 

[oyarde]

has no effect on me but i'm not looking for a job . High unemployment , slow growth though are no bonus for citizens or tax revenues to apply against the growing debt . The actual decline will be good for my businesses probably but you never know . As long as I can pay my property taxes I'm good and if not i have plenty of ammo. I'm not expecting anyone to bother me .

 

[Anti Globalist]

The USA has been dead for a long time.

 

[otherone]

In your eyes this is a bad thing?

Sometimes I wonder if you are deliberately obtuse, or simply have Asperger's Syndrome.

 

[Invisible Man]

Sometimes I wonder if you are deliberately obtuse, or simply have Asperger's Syndrome.

It's neither of those. Perhaps I'm obtuse, but not deliberately.

Really though, is more jobs oversees somehow bad for anybody at all? Are there people somewhere who gain by other countries having high unemployment rates? Is the thinking here that there are only so many jobs to go around, so that if they have more jobs over there that leaves fewer jobs for us or something?

If my thinking along these lines makes me obtuse, then every free market proponent, including Ron Paul, is obtuse too.