Is there a fatal flaw in the Constitution?

[Truth Warrior]

But .... but...... Icelanders are vikings!

I don't wanna be a viking!



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I don't want to be a viking either. The vikings were BARBARIANS TOO.

The barbarians are just gonna end up killing us all.

 

[IRO-bot]

I brought this up once before but I think the biggest flaw left my the Constitution is that they did not put in there that they had to balance the budget. Like state ones. They have to have it balanced. Was this never discussed by the founders?

 

[10thAmendment]

Now I am pretty much new to the Constitution and the Patriot Movement so I really don't know what to make of it. I know that many of you here are well versed in these things, which is why I'm putting this out here.

What do you think?

I'm glad that you're studying the Constitution. Although the following links don't directly address your particular concerns about the Constitution, if you want to get up to speed on the overall purpose of the Constitution with respect to the federal government then try the following link.

• http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=148967

And if you want the sad details as to why we're having problems with big federal government then try the following link.

• http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=148854

 

[Godfather89]

The constitution is flawed because man made it, but its an effective document nonetheless. We must add our experiences of dealing with any tyrants to the constitution to make sure that tyrants cant use a certain way ever again. Perhaps a real American Amendment would be that we repeal the income tax and that we make it illegal to have politicians payed off, and to create seperation between political parties to not allow some bi-partisan thing. I am for one party, in the sense that George Washington mentioned in his farewell address.

 

[Truth Warrior]

I'd say the biggest fatal flaw is that

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Federal Constitution Is Dead[/FONT]
Kevin Gutzman on who killed it.

 

[foofighter20x]

The suggestion that this rule clears the path for a dictatorship strikes me as plainly stupid.

Note I quoted it in it's entirety. Read it carefully. The Federal government has Legislative powers over the Capital and US Military installations, as State Legislatures have over their States.

The Constitution isn't perfect, but it sure as hell didn't leave a loophole big enough for a dictatorship to slip through.

Correct.

 

[The Moog Magician]

Correct.

Yeah, the horrible, illogical theory this thread-starter references assumes that the federal government achieved its current power against the wishes of the people without the citizenry even noticing, which is ludicrous. That's like the holocaust happening without the Jews even realizing they're being oppressed. The 10th Amendment means exactly what it says. America has become a big government state because American citizens have allowed it and even praised it and begged for it. We are all implicit in our current bloated national government. There is no conspiracy to blame--only weakness.

 

[Lou337]

Well, first of all there are two constitutions.

There's the original one based on common law, and the corporate one based on admiralty, roman civil law, & commerce laws which was edited after the civil war through various acts.

There's also two different kinds of citizens, U.S. citizens and state nationals. U.S. citizens have civil rights; which are technically just privileges while state nationals have natural rights (you know, the ones that are unalienable?). Once you understand that everything else falls into place.

U.S. citizens where created through the 14th amendment. State nationals are sovereigns.
U.S. citizens are created through birth certificates and for those who are residents, acceptance of government benefits such as a social security number implies acceptance of federal juridistiction replacing whatever other country's citizenship status you are coming from.

 

[Truth Warrior]

ALL individuals are sovereign. Most have NEVER heard, weren't taught, and just plain flat don't know it.

 

[Lou337]

Indeed, but sort of. The only way to keep your sovereign status is as a parent demand the original title of birth certificate not the copy right after your child is born. Afterwards it's too late. As an adult you can regain your state nationality and sovereignty by a very long process which entails getting rid of all goverment benefits by revoking them i.e.; social security, driver's license, car registration, bank accounts, marriage license, voter registration card, credit cards...oh and you have to deny that you are a fictional person. Fictional persons in the legal sense are people whose names on legal documents are spelled in all caps, such as a birth certificate. A birth certificate in and of itself is not a legal document, but when signed under an all caps name and sent to the department of commerce then you effectively are just that.

It's not easy but it's the only way to have the natural rights of the original constitution, not the civil rights of the district of columbia version.

 

[Truth Warrior]

The newborn is a sovereign individual too.<IMHO>

 

[Alex Libman]

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