Is the United Nations a foe or friend?

[YumYum]

lol yumyum keep on living in your State Utopia fantasy. it makes for great fiction

That's funny, because I have learned most of my info from links shared on this forum.

 

[rpfan2008]

I thought that China is still for a world currency. Did they back off from this? The problem I could never figure out is that Israel and China are two states that would never give up their soverignty. I always thought that if we have a world government that the two would clash. But now I have read on the web that Israel has been giving our top secret military information to China since the 1980's! This is crazy shit! The world believes that China and Israel have had no diplomatic ties until just recently; this is not true. We are being set up.

We are being deceived, and it is working brilliantly. IMO, the U.N. is a guise.

Top secret military information are like those billions of dollars that US is paying China as bribes.

China is a country that has not only capability but also vested interest in securing Gulf oil from US. Do you remember the Uighur Muslims revolted in China? Look into the map who is in their south...it's Uncle Sam in Afghanistan. That is the region which joins China proper with the middle east via Pakistan.

Didn't you read in the web that Pakistan was the frontline ally in WoT ?
Do you know what's going on in the ground?

 

[YumYum]

Top secret military information are like those billions of dollars that US is paying China as bribes.

China is a country that has not only capability but also vested interest in securing Gulf oil from US. Do you remember the Uighur Muslims revolted in China? Look into the map who is in their south...it's Uncle Sam in Afghanistan. That is the region which joins China proper with the middle east via Pakistan.

Didn't you read in the web that Pakistan was the frontline ally in WoT ?
Do you know what's going on in the ground?

No, I don't know all the details. But what you are saying is making sense. Could you explain further? Are Israel, China and the U.S. all in bed together to destroy the Arab/Muslim world? I see America as a willing dupe. I don't see us as a part of any conspiracy, other than to be used. Our economy is collapsing and we will have to be at the mercy of a world central bank to bail us out. Things do not add up. Israel and the United States are enemies with the United Nations. Israel and China will never give up their soverignty. The central banks are in bed with Israel, and the central banks are pushing for a world central bank and world government. The central banks will prevail, which would mean that Israel will have to be in charge of this New World Government. The only question now is China. Will China keep its soverignty or will it share power with Israel, becoming Israel's new ally, replacing the U.S.?

 

[AutoDas]

I was interested in knowing how many pages thick is your daily newspaper?
And diameter it makes when rolled longitudinally?

I only read the Prison Planet and Lew Rockwell for my news.

 

[AmericaFyeah92]

The OP acts as if any foe of Israel is a friend of liberty. I guess libertarians should line up behind the Egyptian gov't and Saudi Royal Family and the Ayatollah in that case?

 

[rpfan2008]

@YumYum


During creation of Israel the Arabs were more able and willing to defend themselves as they were united by the Muslim factor. (for older history try looking for negotiations between Ottomans and Jews for transfer of Palestine then Benjamin Friedman etc it's a very long story )

Since Israelis were massacring Palestinians (with hired Red Army vets) the Arabs were not willing to discuss the Palestine issue with Israel directly nor recognize it as a state. Israel was using US to befriend/attack(<--FF)/threaten/instigate-infighting (whichever works) the Arabs to bring them under control and gradually weaken them so that Israel can expand to its intended size (most of Israel's leaders present/past/dead are descendant from a terrorist group Irgun, look for Irgun's map for Israel's intended boundaries/ Greater Israel). The plan was for US to bulldoze the muslims and Israel to consume them. They were being greatly successful in that too, but accidentally another muslim country created solely on Islamic ideology (Pakistani constitution declares itself as the next protector of Islam, much like what Arabs, Ottomans were in history) becomes a nuclear armed country while concentrating on it's geographic enemy India.

Now we have two religious fundamentalists, if you will,

Jewish : Israel
Muslims: Pakistan


(Why do you think Israel have nuclear weapons since so long? If you do a simple analysis of nukes you see only those countries have nuclear weapons that have a tendency to expand OR their enemies have nukes)

If Israel attacks and ethnically cleanse the Arab lands (u know how sticky they are with their holy things) a nuclear strike from fundamentalist Pakistan is guaranteed.

So Israel had to suddenly shift it's focus from Arabs to Pakistan, but a nuclear armed country was too risky to attack directly so they conspired to create a civil-war among the Pushtuns (Afghans) and Pakistanis and cease their weapons via international pressure via UN. The zionists created a drama where one of their slaves (since Bolshevik revolution) Russia will attack them from north and from south US will come as saviors.

But before US can penetrate successfully inside the Taliban (CIA was never allowed by Pakistan to act inside Afghanistan) or befriend them (Pakistan trained Afghan mujaheddin in Jihad-against-Christian-invaders fashion rather than a Afghan-nationalist fashion, against US wishes*) Soviet Union went bankrupt and had to be disintegrated. Zionist had to suffer a major setback on this one.

[* They wished to later incite these Afghan-nationalist Taliban against the Pakistani people and create the civil war they wanted]

Today we are seeing the attempt-2 of the same drama as war on terror.

Since the whole facade of Jewish state and Greater Israel is for the Gulf Oil China felt threatened and came as a reliable partner for Pakistan. ALL of Pakistani missiles are copied versions of either Chinese or North Korean (a Chinese proxy) types. Almost every bullet, every mortar shell fired, every pound of explosive detonated on NATO troops in Afghan or in Iraq are Chinese made. See why they are bribing them?


PS:

Pakistan tested its nuclear weapons in 1998 BUT they were ready (probably bought) by 70s.
There are some details you may need to know about history of that region & Islam, feel free to ask me I'll try to clarify. I don't care PC, just shoot.

 

[YumYum]

Wow! You are sharing some good stuff! If Pakistan with its nukes are the real current threat to Israel, why are they focusing on Iran when they should be raising hell about Pakistan? Another thing, if Pakistan erupts into total civil war couldn't their nukes fall into the wrong hands? With what you have explained, it appears this whole Afghanistan/Pakistan invasion is to go after the Paki's nukes, while Russia and China just watch. If we succeed in both Afghanistan/Pakistan and we take out Iran, the U.S. and Israel will have control of the Middle East and its oil. Russia and China will not tolerate this, or will they? They must be counting on us losing our asses, otherwise they would strongly object to our invasions into these countries. Please keep sharing, you are helping to put together pieces to a very sinister and complex puzzle.

Also, so that the thread doesn't get off track, where does the U.N. fit in all this? Surely, they are not going to just let the U.S. and Israel take over the Middle East, or is the U.N. just another puppet?

edit: yes, I can see that China is being bribed, but aren't Israel and the United States being a little naive by thinking that the Chinese can be bribed like a third world country?

 

[rpfan2008]

Afghanistan/Pakistan invasion is to go after the Paki's nukes, while Russia and China just watch. If we succeed in both Afghanistan/Pakistan and we take out Iran, the U.S. and Israel will have control of the Middle East and its oil. Russia and China will not tolerate this,

PLS don't do this to me.

A country that is allowing the zionists to sell their women as sex-slaves to other countries...do you think they have any spline left?? Russia is under total zionist control.


Was US focusing on Bin-Laden or do you even remember hearing his name before 9/11 ?

Keeping it out from press is keeping it out from our scrutiny. When 9/11 happened everybody was clueless and govt was selling pale BS. When this will unfold they will give it any color they want since this was always (kept) out of your radar.

 

[rpfan2008]

Also, so that the thread doesn't get off track, where does the U.N. fit in all this? Surely, they are not going to just let the U.S. and Israel take over the Middle East, or is the U.N. just another puppet?

I think every thread has a goal, not necessarily just a subject.

edit: yes, I can see that China is being bribed, but aren't Israel and the United States being a little naive by thinking that the Chinese can be bribed like a third world country?

When you spend too much time with a certain kind of people you assume everyone to be like that. Or maybe filthy imagination. And btw you said China as a country...countries can be created, broken, won etc...they are a civilization. Civilizations are never defeated. They are reinforced by a bond of race and nationhood.

 

[YumYum]

The OP acts as if any foe of Israel is a friend of liberty. I guess libertarians should line up behind the Egyptian gov't and Saudi Royal Family and the Ayatollah in that case?

No, that is not what I think. I think any friend of Liberty should be free to question the actions of any government, including Israel and the United States . Israel's behavior is causing anti-semitism to escalate in the World, and even more alarming: here in the U.S. I worry about the safety of my Jewish relatives, friends and myself. Anti-semitism is real, and Jews should not be targeted because of the actions of a few corrupt politicians who control Israel, much in the same way that people shouldn't hate American citizens because of the vile conduct of our government. We are all being used as pawns.

 

[YumYum]

I think every thread has a goal, not necessarily just a subject.



When you spend too much time with a certain kind of people you assume everyone to be like that. Or maybe filthy imagination.

This whole thing reads like a detective novel, but the sad part is; its not fiction. You have a lot of insight, which should be shared openly and freely on this forum without the fear of an Israeli tank showing up in your driveway. Many Jews have no fucking clue what is going on, and there are many out of the few who do, including Israelis, who are enraged over Israel's actions. I find some American Jews that I have discussions with to be totally ignorant and one-sided in our discussions, whereas I have talked to Israelis who talk crazy shit about the Israeli government. We can have a great discussion on this as long as we don't attack Jews/Muslims/Christians. This is a bad onion that needs to be peeled, layer by layer. Thanks for peeling off the skin!

 

[rpfan2008]

You have a lot of insight, which should be shared openly and freely on this forum without the fear of an Israeli tank showing up in your driveway.

It seems you have assumed that I'm a Muslim/Arab. Reality could be very opposite.

I was very anti-muslim not too long ago.

On top of that I actually live in a place where Muslim illegal aliens are creating great problems. But every land has its own tale.

 

[Captain Shays]

Yum Yum,

The part that doesn't ad up is your notion that the central banks are controlled by "Zionist supporters".

It seems that you're trying to make it into a "Jewish world banker" conspiracy.

Not only is this wrong, it is very dangerous. Not all of the central bankers are Jews or controlled by Jews.

As far as the term "Zionist" it all depends on what your beliefs are of "Zionists".

I consider myself a Zionist in that I honestly believe in Israel's right to exist in their own homeland and right where it is. We don't need to get into how they got there or when or by who's hand.

Many of the Jewish world domination conspiracy theories are derived from the release of the Protocols of Elders of Zion many years ago which reportedly outlined a plan among rich and powerful Jews to take over the world through banking, media and business. It was a fraudulent document which was used by both Hitler and Stalin as a pretext for murdering 18 million Jews between them. Its also used by many in the Arab and Muslim realms today as an excuse for killing Jews.

We don't need to go there. I have many Jewish friends whom I love like brothers and they have nothing to do with it, don't know anything about it and if they did, would want no part in it yet God forbid if we continue on this "Jewish World Bankers" conspiracy we could see many more Jews get killed including my brothers.

If you want to know more about the UN and the evil that they do go to www.GETUSOUT.org

 

[cheapseats]

Anti-semitism is real, and Jews should not be targeted because of the actions of a few corrupt politicians who control Israel, much in the same way that people shouldn't hate American citizens because of the vile conduct of our government. We are all being used as pawns.

Anti-Americanism is real, too. For good reason.

People who PERMIT themselves to be "used as pawns" are deserving of ridicule and contempt. To the extent that the downsides of their spinelessness impact others, people who PERMIT themselves to be used as pawns RIGHTLY incur the animosity of others.

That said, let me hasten to add my conviction that IF there will be another terrorist attack on American soil, it is incumbent upon terrorists to target Officialdom rather than Citizenry.

IF.

No advocacy OF another terrorist attack, rather, firm conviction that anyone and everyone can plainly see that Americans are agitating for Change and that American Officials are displaying the studied indifference of POSTAL EMPLOYEES. As such, IF another terrorist attack occurs, it would logically and should morally be directed at Officials.

 

[Captain Shays]

The U.N. went from being a forum for nations to work out their differences peacefully to a full-fledged bullying organization where at any moment one nation may be picked as a target of ridicule and dog-piled on. Then there's the de facto expectation that member nations must unite militarily whenever a 'threat' arises, which almost guarantees world-war-like outcomes (although on a more limited scale).

Look up Robert Muller. HE was the first under secretary general of the UN. In his opening speech he was very candid as he's been all along about the purpose fo the UN, which was from their very beginning a one world government. That was the intention of those who drafted the UN Charter in the Council on Foreign Relations and its still the purpose of it today.
What was said about their intention and what really was their intention are two different things.

 

[rpfan2008]

That said, let me hasten to add my conviction that IF there will be another terrorist attack on American soil....

It will destroy all Federal Reserve records. Just look where they are and you have your next venue of false-flag attack.

 

[cheapseats]

It will destroy all Federal Reserve records. Just look where they are and you have your next venue of false-flag attack.

Mmm. Pity about all those records "lost" when heavily insured Building 7 went down.

The important thing, in MY mind, is to QUIT HIDING "HOT" TOPICS AND START BROADCASTING.

People are afraid to speak candidly. Get people talking in MEANINGFUL hypotheticals. IF [God forbid, yada yada] there is another terrorist attack on American soil, who do YOU(not you) think should "get it"?

Compel people to give moments of thought to Unpleasantries. It is GLARINGLY obvious that if terrorists are pissed enough to attack us again, their Chief Beef is with our Kingpins. The more people process the LOGIC OF EXECUTION, the less inclined they will be to buy INTO a False Flag Production.

 

[rpfan2008]

@cheapseats

Americans have their hands bonded by a tape of taboo. Just a thin sub-mm tape. Not chains.
Is there a question in your post?

 

[cheapseats]

@cheapseats

Americans have their hands bonded by a tape of taboo. Just a thin sub-mm tape. Not chains.
Is there a question in your post?

Nope.

"Hands bonded by a tape of taboo," thy other name(s) is/are POLITICAL CORRECTNESS and/or COWARDICE.

In response to a suggestion that people are exonerated by their WEAKNESS, I say that the People are CULPABLE. Officials are MORE CULPABLE, however.

 

[rpfan2008]

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I'd say it's time to revive Henry Ford. America's glory was in its past something has been left there unpicked.