Is the Gospel of Matthew lying here?

[Sheepdog11]

Fine.....

I was scratching my head yesterday when your post said "Conceded".
I was not in this thread to debate anything but only to offer help in answering your question.

I didn't come on this thread to argue. I thought you were asking a question and were honest about what you wanted to know. Now I understand this to to be just be another attack on Christianity thread.

I don't usually participate in this kind of thread and will now bow out of this discussion.

I'm not trying to prove anything or start any arguments. I am merely researching prophecy claims such as Hosea and thus wanted to hear believers' opinions and reasoning on the matter. After all, I don't want to believe a prophecy is false if, in fact, it is true.

I, of course, have my own bias and prior assumptions about it, however that is why I genuinely wanted to hear answers from people with a different bias.

I am not trying to "attack" Christianity, if I wanted to do that I wouldn't be focusing on such an irrelevant/insignificant topic.

Sorry I didn't make that clear.

 

[TurtleBurger]

I don't believe in the doctrine of the Trinity either. From my studies of the scriptures, I can find no evidence for it.

The Bible is not intended to be an exhaustive encyclopedia of theological truth. It is simply a witness to the authenticity and authority of the historical Church. The fullness of theological truth, including doctrines like the Trinity, are defined by that authoritative Church.

 

[Optatron]

Alternatively you could just sit by a bush and pray.

this is the counter-Theocrat gotcha, are they less consistent in being Christians if they don't rely 100% on miracles and God? Aren't they stealing from our worldview whenever they depend on reality, physics and themselves?

 

[Optatron]

On Youtube, the user ProfMTH has some good videos about the Gospels, I highly recommend him for issues pertaining Jesus' diety, fulfillment of prophecies,...etc.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

You are correct..it is an attack on Christianity...absolutely. TOnes

 

[Sheepdog11]

You are correct..it is an attack on Christianity...absolutely. TOnes

Do you just skip over everything I say? If I wanted to attack Christianity, I wouldn't do it on such an insignificant topic. I legitimately want to know if there is a good explanation for the issue I brought up. While I have seen decent explanations so far, I pressed further because I wasn't convinced of their soundness on certain levels. While this may have appeared hostile on my part, that is not my intention.

 

[TurtleBurger]

You are correct..it is an attack on Christianity...absolutely. TOnes

I don't think it was an attack, it was a legitimate (admittedly difficult) question. Both Hosea and Matthew were written in cultures very different from our own, and from each other, so the definition of a prophecy and the definition of prophecy fulfillment are different from what we would consider them today. Any answer to this question will involve some level of speculation.

 

[Dr.3D]

Okay, here are a few more ideas.

I'm not trying to prove anything or start any arguments. I am merely researching prophecy claims such as Hosea and thus wanted to hear believers' opinions and reasoning on the matter. After all, I don't want to believe a prophecy is false if, in fact, it is true.

I, of course, have my own bias and prior assumptions about it, however that is why I genuinely wanted to hear answers from people with a different bias.

I am not trying to "attack" Christianity, if I wanted to do that I wouldn't be focusing on such an irrelevant/insignificant topic.

Sorry I didn't make that clear.

Maybe this will help.
http://www.freechurchseminary.org/Small Web WMV/Hosea 11v1.pdf

if not, then perhaps this one.
http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/m.sion/oegcason.htm

or this one.
http://www.ichthys.com/mail-Hosea 11-1 and prove sin.htm

This question has been asked time and time again.

 

[Sheepdog11]

Maybe this will help.
http://www.freechurchseminary.org/Small Web WMV/Hosea 11v1.pdf

if not, then perhaps this one.
http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/m.sion/oegcason.htm

or this one.
http://www.ichthys.com/mail-Hosea 11-1 and prove sin.htm

This question has been asked time and time again.

Thank you for the links. I'm reading the first one at the moment, and I feel it sufficiently resolves this thread.

 

[Dr.3D]

Thank you for the links. I'm reading the first one at the moment, and I feel it sufficiently resolves this thread.

I guess I over reacted in this thread and I feel sorry for that.

I am gladdened you have found a sufficient answer and I have to tell you, I learned a lot in this thread too.