I did not ask you about the site. I asked you to look at an article on a site that defines the subject matter and applies principles. For example, it looks at both gay rights and immigration; it views gun control AND in a way never broached anywhere else. Forget where the subject is. I'm asking about the subject. I didn't try to sell you the site. Get real.
Is the Fight for Liberty Over?
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I did not ask you about the site. I asked you to look at an article on a site that defines the subject matter and applies principles. For example, it looks at both gay rights and immigration; it views gun control AND in a way never broached anywhere else. Forget where the subject is. I'm asking about the subject. I didn't try to sell you the site. Get real.
You did not read the article. Once you read it all, get back to us. It covers ground never posted on this forum. If we had covered it here, you would not have National Socialists and even communists trying to sell you Karl Marx via the back door.
GuerrillaXXI
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I honestly think the biggest obstacle facing people who want to do #4 is concern over loved ones.
I would be very happy to risk or even give my life for what I believe in. I know anyone can say that on the Internet, but in my case it's the fucking truth. I honestly fear death MUCH less than I fear living in a total police/surveillance state, since death is inevitable but slavery is not. Be that as it may, there's one thing I simply can't compromise on: the financial and especially emotional well-being of my sweet, loving, elderly parents. The system is basically holding them hostage; until they die of old age or whatever, there's really nothing I can do unless Big Brother forces my hand by trying to kill or imprison me.
Of course, my situation isn't unique. Most people have spouses, children, old parents, etc., to think about. They don't want to do anything -- even civil disobedience -- that could screw over their family members without feeling that the chances of success are good enough to justify the risk. Even something as (relatively) simple as getting all the freedom-lovers to move to New Hampshire would involve a lot of people having to quit jobs and face an uncertain future for themselves AND their families. I honestly believe this is the main obstacle the freedom movement faces. We have the numbers, but we need widespread agreement on a course of action, and that's hard to get with independent-minded people.
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It is also the reason many see no other choice.
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pimpin' in the name of liberty is treasonous
We're up to twenty six responses on this thread and nothing that applies to the issue the thread was addressed to.
That kind of tells me what the future of Liberty really is. Liberty is more than just a word. Quite frankly, I'm not seeing any of the politicians that are actually promoting Liberty. They are for it to a point. If most have to give up something that benefits them so another guy can have Liberty, the subject becomes moot.
Still, I'd like to stay on point and someone answer my questions based upon the citing source. It's a civics lesson and it don't bite. You won't change your mind about politicians, etc. by answering based upon new information.
That kind of tells me what the future of Liberty really is. Liberty is more than just a word. Quite frankly, I'm not seeing any of the politicians that are actually promoting Liberty. They are for it to a point. If most have to give up something that benefits them so another guy can have Liberty, the subject becomes moot.
Still, I'd like to stay on point and someone answer my questions based upon the citing source. It's a civics lesson and it don't bite. You won't change your mind about politicians, etc. by answering based upon new information.
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You can give up if you want. I'm not and neither are most of the people here. Where have you been looking? I see plenty of new threads and discussions.
Edit: You have made it clear that you think it's over and that you are giving up (if you ever supported any Liberty candidates in the first place). The answer to your question is NO.
Is your fight for liberty over? Maybe. Not us though.
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As the boxer Floyd Mayweather Jr. says,
HARD WORK. DEDICATION!
HARD WORK. DEDICATION!
I'll chalk your comments up to ignorance. In my lifetime I've done far more than vote for Liberty candidates. In the course of my life I have been shot, beaten, lied to, lied about, run through the system twice at a cost of tens of thousands of dollars; the last time over a so - called "Patriot Act" issue with my life on the line.
I see what used to be "our" side endorsing candidates and legislation on the most misguided notions and instead of well thought out dialogue, people are wanting to know about whether a board is legitimate predicated upon the number of people registered on it as opposed to the article and its substantive issues. Instead of looking the subject matter over, we have people questioning my commitment while I'm asking if the fight for Liberty is over based upon a set of criteria found in an article that many are too insecure in their personal ideologies to even bother looking at.
There is one thing I've learned in the last ten years: the side proclaiming Liberty has stood behind the most massive spending wastes on the most questionable of grounds, resulting in TRILLIONS of dollars in waste not to mention the myriad of agencies and laws attacking our Liberties like never recorded in the annals of history.
