Is Rush right about the media's playbook? If so this helps Ron Paul...

[wgadget]

This is one of my MAJOR pet peeves.

Where do Hannity, Sarah Palin, Limbaugh, etc get off saying they're NOT THE MEDIA?

WTF? My guess is that the more they say this, the more people will trust them. STUPID SHEEP.

 

[tbone717]

Ron polls GREAT against Obama, he statistically tied Obama in two or three polls this last week.

And that is great considering at this point an Obama v Paul race, and for that matter an Obama v Romney race is still hypothetical.

 

[slamhead]

Obviously Rush Limbaugh is irrelevant now were conservationism is concerned. I stopped listening to Rush when I found myself yelling at my radio. He can talk and talk all day long about who is a true conservative or who is anti-Romney and absolutely avoids mentioning RP. Whenever anyone gets on his show and speaks of Ron Paul they are accused of being a liberal.

 

[otherone]

There is no 'left' or 'right'. These are anachronistic terms meant to disguise our Hobbesian state. Just follow the money...who gives how much to what campaign. Everything else is lipstick on a pig.

 

[thesnake742]

All the big news talk guys always portray themselves as these outsiders; undercutting mainstream thought by going rogue and doing a radio show instead! Once you get the amount of listeners those shows have, it no longer matters. It's all under the same category. They are just as mainstream as the rest.

 

[Travlyr]

This is one of my MAJOR pet peeves.

Where do Hannity, Sarah Palin, Limbaugh, etc get off saying they're NOT THE MEDIA?

WTF? My guess is that the more they say this, the more people will trust them. STUPID SHEEP.

Mine too. Repetition works. How is Maha Rushie's three hour per day radio show not considered mainstream? If you tell a lie often enough people will believe it.

 

[joelfarm]

We had this same problem with the "media" during the last presidential campaign- Ron Paul is dispised mainley because of his beliefs, those being strict adherance to the Constitution, but the sad fact is that the average voter is lazy and apathetic. It strains their brain to be forced to understand the dynamics and repercusions of the economy and it's manipulation by government and the power elite.
Add to this the problem Dr. Paul has in communicating this message. He admitted this weakness last night. I really do not understand why the campaign has not been able to improve his presentation. He sometimes comes across as fumbling and rambling. I adore Ron Paul and we all owe him our support because he is indeed a behind the scene kind of worker. Not a celebrity type. We have far too many of those showboats up there now.

 

[KEEF]

well then the next step is to pump Santorum. because the media knows Paul would murder Obama. Rush is just trying to get Gingrich more votes in flordia, thats where he lives and has a decent amount of influence.

^This. Rush is just trying to pump up the establishment base. Any idiot who looks at the head to head match up would tell you that Ron Paul and Mitt are in a statistical tie with Obama, and if it were just Paul against Obama, we would win outright because of the Fox brainwashed folks that would end up voting for Paul because they were programmed to get Obama out of office.

Thank you Rush (kinda)

 

[otherone]

In a larger context, the liberal media is doing everything in their power to prevent a Republican frontrunner to emerge...the closer to August, the less time for a united GOP to confront Obama. On the other side, the neocon media is doing everything possible to prevent Paul from being the nominee, and by so doing, surging his opposition to prevent a two-man race. This is delaying a national platform to oppose Obama. The GOP is in SERIOUS trouble. If they want to unseat Obama, they have to back Dr.Paul.....

 

[Voluntary Man]

Flush, as usual, is wrong. If his conspiracy theory were correct, the Monkey Shines Media (including Limpboy) wouldn't continually attack Ron. El Flush-bo is a stooge.

Flush twice.

 

[acptulsa]

All warfare is based on deception - "The Art of War by Sun Tzu"

You decide.

And Limbaugh is part of the media, despite his protestations of independence. Where do you hear his voice? At the next table in the coffee shop? Seriously.

So, if Rush is part and parcel of this media play to get Obama reelected in spite of himself, what is Rush's role? Obviously, as the cowboy who guards the 'right flank' of the herd and keeps the cows on that end from going astray. And how does he do this? Simple. He paints the only one who can beat Obama as being as unelectable as Santorum so that his cows--or if you prefer, his sheep--will put their weight behind a G.O.P. candidate with enough baggage to break the backs of seven strong bellhops, that's what. Because they don't have enough sense not to believe Rush when he tells them that ten tons of baggage won't matter to general election voters.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

All warfare is based on deception - "The Art of War by Sun Tzu"

You decide.

^^this^^

The war is won before it's even fought.

 

[wgadget]

IMHO, only a massive awakening to the media propagandists can propel Ron to the Presidency.

The people need to see that there is no right/left paradigm.

 

[acptulsa]

^^this^^

The war is won before it's even fought.

Ah, is it now? And did we win or lose this one before we even began to fight?

IMHO, only a massive awakening to the media propagandists can propel Ron to the Presidency.

The people need to see that there is no right/left paradigm.

But there is not only a left/right paradigm, there are two. There's a real one, and there's a false one.

There's the socialists vs. us, and that's oh so real. And then there's the 'you help poor people by throwing money at them for doing all the wrong things and killing themselves' vs. 'you help poor people by either giving them a war to fight or popping them in prison' left/right paradigm. And it's false.

 

[wgadget]

Ah, is it now? And did we win or lose this one before we even began to fight?



But there is not only a left/right paradigm, there are two. There's a real one, and there's a false one.

There's the socialists vs. us, and that's oh so real. And then there's the 'you help poor people by throwing money at them for doing all the wrong things and killing themselves' vs. 'you help poor people by either giving them a war to fight or popping them in prison' left/right paradigm. And it's false.

But both of those paradigms involve the Federal Reserve scam system of printing money to preserve the Empire. And the Empire is broke. There IS a paradigm: the State vs. the People. I'll go that far. Problem is, the State has most of the ammunition. So far, we still have the Internet and the ability to influence people in our personal spheres of influence. The State has the media propagandists and the power of coercion. Uphill battle.

 

[acptulsa]

But both of those paradigms involve the Federal Reserve scam system of printing money to preserve the Empire. And the Empire is broke. There IS a paradigm: the State vs. the People. I'll go that far. Problem is, the State has most of the ammunition. So far, we still have the Internet and the ability to influence people in our personal spheres of influence. The State has the media propagandists and the power of coercion. Uphill battle.

Uphill battle. But the empire has only bull as a sales tool, while we have truth. For Limbaugh listeners, bull works just as well. Even if they have the brains to detect it, they seem perfectly willing to ignore that little bell ringing in the back of their minds. But even these people have smarter people they trust, and even these people are losing their jobs or just having their standard of living contract around them. So, while we have an uphill battle, as long as the powers that be want to victimize everyone Limbaugh's audience will shrink. Eventually they'll be able to afford neither radio nor power source for a radio, right? And that day seems to be looming sooner rather than later.

 

[wgadget]

Uphill battle. But the empire has only bull as a sales tool, while we have truth. For Limbaugh listeners, bull works just as well. Even if they have the brains to detect it, they seem perfectly willing to ignore that little bell ringing in the back of their minds. But even these people have smarter people they trust, and even these people are losing their jobs or just having their standard of living contract around them. So, while we have an uphill battle, as long as the powers that be want to victimize everyone Limbaugh's audience will shrink. Eventually they'll be able to afford neither radio nor power source for a radio, right? And that day seems to be looming sooner rather than later.

Yes, a complete collapse is Ron Paul's only hope. How sad. We have an uphill battle and we're racing the debt clock at the same time.

 

[cartemj06]

Rush's article serves one purpose, to victimize newt and mitt or to at least frame it that way. The next thing from that is that Neo-cons feel like they are "attacked" so they go into defense and solidarity to fight off the wrong doing perpetrated by the liberal media, in essence solidifying newt and romney as "under attack" and a threat to the left. we must beat the left...

 

[heavenlyboy34]

All warfare is based on deception - "The Art of War by Sun Tzu"

You decide.

+1 The propaganda techniques used by media today are age-old. Pick up a book about propaganda and you'll see. There was one such book mentioned on the forums a few months ago, but I don't have it handy. Try a forum search.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

But there is not only a left/right paradigm, there are two. There's a real one, and there's a false one.

There's the socialists vs. us, and that's oh so real. And then there's the 'you help poor people by throwing money at them for doing all the wrong things and killing themselves' vs. 'you help poor people by either giving them a war to fight or popping them in prison' left/right paradigm. And it's false.

That's more of a dialectic than a paradigm, IMO. But you're right that left and right socialists both use it and people fall for it all the time.