Is Ron paul spending money in Ohio??

[riner69er]

I see an Obama and Hillary commercial every 10 minutes, and even got calls from Obama himself (ha ha) and Hillary's campaign. I havent heard or seen anything from Ron Paul.

Is this just a matter of the Dems having so much more money than RP, or what? I was looking forward to seeing some good RP info. I'm a little disappointed.

 

[Fox McCloud]

I see an Obama and Hillary commercial every 10 minutes, and even got calls from Obama himself (ha ha) and Hillary's campaign. I havent heard or seen anything from Ron Paul.

Is this just a matter of the Dems having so much more money than RP, or what? I was looking forward to seeing some good RP info. I'm a little disappointed.

Same here...

Heck, I haven't seen Huckabee or McCain ads either.....of course, both are broke, and both are only "riding in on momentum", so....

But yeah, I was hoping to see at least ONE Ron Paul ad.

 

[berrybunches]

None. its bull crap.

He has so much in the bank! Very unfair to us.

go to ohio4ronpaul.com and see what you can do to help. call for paul seems like a good idea.

 

[redsrule2500]

Yeah, what's going on? Why not spend the $$$$ to get the word out?

I'm kind of confused - what will happen after these primaries with the cash?!

 

[slacker921]

Watch this.. http://youtube.com/watch?v=raImHkFzIMM about 1/2 way through he says why they aren't advertising much (if at all..). Lew Moore doesn't think advertising works.

If you want to see TV ads and want to see Paul get more than about 5% then you have to get together with others and line up ads. Campaign HQ isn't going to do anything to help get votes other than to tell grassroots to do it (make phone calls and get out there and knock on doors! Don't worry that 90+% of the people you come in contact with think Paul dropped out because they never see him on TV..).

I can kind of understand why they aren't advertising in Ohio since it's kind of too late there but they really should be advertising heavily in Vermont where he's polling above 10% (above Huckabee). Vermont is tiny enough for a small budget to cover the entire state.. but if they haven't already lined up the ads then it's too late now.

 

[JordanQ72]

Same here...

Heck, I haven't seen Huckabee or McCain ads either.....

There's a reason for that

of course both are broke

And that wasn't it...

In Ohio, it's 65-30-5 McCain

McCain doesn't need to spend money there, while Huckabee would be wasting any he did.

While on the Dem side, it's 47-43 Clinton. Still an edge for her, but it's close enough that you can overcome it with enough advertising. Of course, with Obama launching an ad blitz to try to win, Clinton needs to head that off with one of her own too.

It's so close in Texas on the Dem side too that I won't even give anyone the designation of leader there. People are probably getting bombarded with ads there too.

I assume Huckabee is spending whatever money he has in Texas, because, well, there isn't anything left for him to do really.

 

[JordanQ72]

Watch this.. http://youtube.com/watch?v=raImHkFzIMM about 1/2 way through he says why they aren't advertising much (if at all..). Lew Moore doesn't think advertising works.

Maybe Lew can explain what they wasted 36 million dollars on then. Poor advertising I can at least understand, but if he says they aren't even advertising, that's a lot of money to blow through on absolutely nothing then.

 

[riner69er]

Maybe Lew can explain what they wasted 36 million dollars on then. Poor advertising I can at least understand, but if he says they aren't even advertising, that's a lot of money to blow through on absolutely nothing then.

Seriously...where did the money go?? is there some kind of info that the campaign releases?? What is Lew's idea on the most effective way to reach voters if it is not through advertising??

the proof is in the pudding, as they say, and unfortunately, RP is not getting a lot of votes. So it stands to reason that whatever they are doing, is not working.

 

[WRellim]

Yeah, what's going on? Why not spend the $$$$ to get the word out?

I'm kind of confused - what will happen after these primaries with the cash?!

Right now RP for President money is ONLY being spent in Texas.

And as far as major metro area ads, Houston is getting the largest chunk. (Go look at a map if you need to understand why.)

Reports from Dallas-Ft Worth and San Antonio metro areas indicate NO RP for president ads (at least the people I know are not seeing any.)

Other reports I've gotten indicate that Ohio, Vermont and Rhode Island are also apparently have NO RP for President ads being run. (And obviously, have ZERO candidate appearances.)

And apparently even in Texas, as far as "Presidential Campaign" ads go, the only one being aired is THIS one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWL7F4nK_Yw



Figure it out yet?

 

[WRellim]

Seriously...where did the money go?? is there some kind of info that the campaign releases?? What is Lew's idea on the most effective way to reach voters if it is not through advertising??

the proof is in the pudding, as they say, and unfortunately, RP is not getting a lot of votes. So it stands to reason that whatever they are doing, is not working.

Lew says advertising on TV and sending out mailers doesn't work.

And the only type of campaign "event" the candidate is willing to do since NH is giving "the speech" to a college or university or other "rally" that can guarantee attendance of over 1,000 people.

Because you see, as all of the other candidates have proven, all of those things Ads, mailers and candidate appearances, do not work.

Which makes one wonder why they even need ANY money at all for the campaign. Oh, that's right, you have to pay the campaign staff salaries as priority number one. (But... if you don't need to make TV Ads or schedule them, and you don't need to create mailers, or schedule candidate events... well, Hmmm, exactly what does one need those campaign staff people for again?)

whatever they are doing, is not working.

BY George I think you've got it... THAT is what they are doing... "not working" -- that explains everything.

What is Lew's idea on the most effective way to reach voters if it is not through advertising?

Well, obviously that would be the whole "precinct leader" program -- the one they spent under $10,000 to develop the infrastructure for, the one that they spent all that time so "enthusiastically" emphasizing in that video... the one they can blame the failure of the campaign on.

 

[PathIveMade]

The only money being spent on Ron Paul in Ohio is by the grassroots folks. Several spots have been run on WKYC-TV in the Cleveland area. Nothing from the official campaign though.

 

[Mini-Me]

Lew says advertising on TV and sending out mailers doesn't work.

And the only type of campaign "event" the candidate is willing to do since NH is giving "the speech" to a college or university or other "rally" that can guarantee attendance of over 1,000 people.

Because you see, as all of the other candidates have proven, all of those things Ads, mailers and candidate appearances, do not work.

Which makes one wonder why they even need ANY money at all for the campaign. Oh, that's right, you have to pay the campaign staff salaries as priority number one. (But... if you don't need to make TV Ads or schedule them, and you don't need to create mailers, or schedule candidate events... well, Hmmm, exactly what does one need those campaign staff people for again?)



BY George I think you've got it... THAT is what they are doing... "not working" -- that explains everything.




Well, obviously that would be the whole "precinct leader" program -- the one they spent under $10,000 to develop the infrastructure for, the one that they spent all that time so "enthusiastically" emphasizing in that video... the one they can blame the failure of the campaign on.

I have this nagging feeling that someday long after this race, when Ron Paul is less busy, his curiosity will overcome him, and he will personally peek into these forums...and when he does, he will see post after post in the archives saying, "WTF is the campaign doing with the money?" Then, he'll weep for not having paid attention sooner. :-/

 

[WRellim]

I have this nagging feeling that someday long after this race, when Ron Paul is less busy, his curiosity will overcome him, and he will personally peek into these forums...and when he does, he will see post after post in the archives saying, "WTF is the campaign doing with the money?" Then, he'll weep for not having paid attention sooner. :-/

Nah, by then majority of THESE types of posts... having already been shoved aside and put under the "venting" forums (as if they were 9/11 truther conspiracy theories) will probably have been long deleted by our lizard overlords.

Besides, he is VERY loyal to his friends and would doubtless be "offended" from reading these things because we are NOT very ...shall we say "appreciative" of Mssrs. Snyder & Moore (at least *I* am not personally... I would thoroughly expect that the campaign staffers DO know my name by now, and I am a persona non-grata around there. But hey, I call 'em as I see 'em.)

 

[maeqFREEDOMfree]

None. its bull crap.

He has so much in the bank! Very unfair to us.

go to ohio4ronpaul.com and see what you can do to help. call for paul seems like a good idea.

i know the people in michigan, among other states i expect, can feel your frustration. Unfortunately, if the campaign treats you the same as it did us, I'd expect this lack of attention to continue. But don't lose heart!

 

[sillvergirl]

W Rellim, I agree with you that Lew and Kent have done an abysmal job in managing Ron Paul's campaign for president. Rank amateurs trying to play a
professional's game.

I emailed the official campaign over a month ago, and requested that the two top campaign managers "do their patriotic duty" and resign from their posts.
Perhaps if Ron Paul had received thousands of such emails, he would have had the backing and "cover" needed to "relieve them of their duties".

 

[sillvergirl]

I just now called Maryann Petranek(no call back), and Joe Bozzi (at the "ohio4ron paul")
website asking them what plans there are for Dr. Paul to come to Ohio before the primary.
I am told that there are no plans of that type.
I called the official campaign (national) and spoke to a representative there. I reminded them that Ohio has 88 delegates available, (for which some of us slaved for thousands of hours to
provide ballot access for Dr. Paul), and yet Ohio has received one visit to our state(Cleveland) and no visits to the entire southern half of the state, or even the capital at Columbus?
I asked who is in charge of arranging rallies for Ohio(or any other state, for that matter).
I was told "the events coordinator". I asked why Ohio has not received radio ads, TV ads, or any other support from the official campaign for the past 6 weeks?
The response was that "there were direct mailers sent out to Ohioans from the official campaign." I pointed out that neither I, nor any member of my family, nor any of my friends,....

NOR ANY OF MY THOUSANDS OF PATIENTS (I am a physician,) have received any communication
whatsoever from the official campaign, EVER!

So I asked what it is that the "official national campaign HQ staffers" are doing to help get Ron Paul elected , since it appears to me that I have already(volunteer), done much more work in the past 8 months to help get Ron Paul elected than they have done, as paid(my $2300),staffers.

I wish I had better news to report, but these_______________( fill in the blank your own way) are exasperating ,and that is putting it mildly!

At least (after my phone conversations) it should be no mystery to these "managers"
anymore how those of us "here slaving in the trenches" feel about being abandoned to "twist
in the wind".

For myself I am going to finish canvassing a second precinct here in SW Ohio,and then distribute campaign literature to libraries, colleges, hospitals, veterans' halls, and other public places up until the Mar. 4th primary. I have canvassed in Iowa and South Carolina. I gathered hundreds of signatures for Ohio ballot access. I posted around the clock every 15 minutes
for 5 days with youtube videos, articles, essays,charts, graphs,and other commentary explaining and supportive Ron Paul's candidacy on a general message board,( that received 3000 views), in order to boost awareness and donations to the "Tea Party Money Bomb"
at the end of the 5 days. I have followed that up with many hundreds of additional postings
in the same vein to garner suppport for Dr. Paul. But the"official campaign paid staffers"
can't give me anything specific that THEY HAVE DONE to help us here in Ohio in the past 6 weeks. This I have done in addition to my fulltime job as a doctor.
So if Ohio goes for "McNamedropper"... it is not my fault. There is plenty of blame for that
in other quarters.

 

[WRellim]

I just now called Maryann Petranek(no call back), and Joe Bozzi (at the "ohio4ron paul")
website asking them what plans there are for Dr. Paul to come to Ohio before the primary.
I am told that there are no plans of that type.
I called the official campaign (national) and spoke to a representative there. I reminded them that Ohio has 88 delegates available, (for which some of us slaved for thousands of hours to
provide ballot access for Dr. Paul), and yet Ohio has received one visit to our state(Cleveland) and no visits to the entire southern half of the state, or even the capital at Columbus?
I asked who is in charge of arranging rallies for Ohio(or any other state, for that matter).
I was told "the events coordinator". I asked why Ohio has not received radio ads, TV ads, or any other support from the official campaign for the past 6 weeks?
The response was that "there were direct mailers sent out to Ohioans from the official campaign." I pointed out that neither I, nor any member of my family, nor any of my friends,....

NOR ANY OF MY THOUSANDS OF PATIENTS (I am a physician,) have received any communication
whatsoever from the official campaign, EVER!

So I asked what it is that the "official national campaign HQ staffers" are doing to help get Ron Paul elected , since it appears to me that I have already(volunteer), done much more work in the past 8 months to help get Ron Paul elected than they have done, as paid(my $2300),staffers.

I wish I had better news to report, but these_______________( fill in the blank your own way) are exasperating ,and that is putting it mildly!

At least (after my phone conversations) it should be no mystery to these "managers"
anymore how those of us "here slaving in the trenches" feel about being abandoned to "twist
in the wind".

For myself I am going to finish canvassing a second precinct here in SW Ohio,and then distribute campaign literature to libraries, colleges, hospitals, veterans' halls, and other public places up until the Mar. 4th primary. I have canvassed in Iowa and South Carolina. I gathered hundreds of signatures for Ohio ballot access. I posted around the clock every 15 minutes
for 5 days with youtube videos, articles, essays,charts, graphs,and other commentary explaining and supportive Ron Paul's candidacy on a general message board,( that received 3000 views), in order to boost awareness and donations to the "Tea Party Money Bomb"
at the end of the 5 days. I have followed that up with many hundreds of additional postings
in the same vein to garner suppport for Dr. Paul. But the"official campaign paid staffers"
can't give me anything specific that THEY HAVE DONE to help us here in Ohio in the past 6 weeks. This I have done in addition to my fulltime job as a doctor.
So if Ohio goes for "McNamedropper"... it is not my fault. There is plenty of blame for that
in other quarters.

SilverGirl,

I'm with you. I did my best to do the same (finish canvassing my precints) here in Wisconsin. (I didn't quite finish all 3 precints that I had walklists for -- in part really nasty winter weather interfered, subzero temps, 18" of snow in one day, etc.) It was really depressing seeing the final 5% when I know we were polling significantly higher just days before... but 5% was what I expected (and I sincerely believe that had myself and the many others like me NOT finished our efforts, the results would have been even LOWER as apathy and despair set in with a lot of folks who were otherwise supportive.)

I did all of that final work KNOWING that we were receiving ZERO support from the campaign. (To me the analogy of sending in ground troops without "air cover" and keeping the generals WAAY behind the lines is the equivalent here. In THAT sense, we are all being used as "cannon fodder").

We had tried badgering campaign HQ for several weeks (initially very respectfully and even deferentially) prior to our primary -- but to absolutely no effect -- it all fell on deaf ears (if they even bothered to read or listen to voicemail -- they may have simply hit delete), regardless, no one there even had the courtesy to respond in ANY way, shape, or form.

But we all did our best anyway -- but I *did* change to a slightly different "tack" (in part I had to BECAUSE everyone I was canvassing believed he had dropped from the race, so apathy set in) -- what I switched to was telling people that REGARDLESS of whether he would lose or not, they should vote for Ron as a "protest" and to "send a message" that everyone was NOT behind John McCain and 100 years of war... doing so helped boost my own energy (at least slightly) and seemed to be a valid line of reasoning to most people.

So it became LESS about the man Ron Paul and more about the philosophical stance. It might help you to think along the same lines.



But I believe that the national HQ staff has a LOT to answer for, and if I have any ability to hold their feet to the fire (proverbially OR literally) I will pursue it... with a vengeance.

WHY? Because I do not want the "message" to take the fall for what is obviously a failure of the "messengers." Covering some staffers' backsides is NOT worth discrediting the message.

(Oh, and take heart and know that there are dozens, hundreds of others like us -- I get private emails and messages saying so every day -- but most will not post anything for fear that they will be set upon and "flamed" by the vocal but otherwise worthless "true believer" kool-aid drinking types that still inhabit these forums in droves. To me such childish tactics are like water off a ducks back.)

 

[seeker1]

I agree but I truly doubt that will happen.

But I believe that the national HQ staff has a LOT to answer for[/U]

We've been duped by this crowd and those of us that saw the writing on the wall early on were derided by the loyalists and told to go away.

We've gone from "Ron Paul for President 2008" to "just wait till we take over the GOP then you'll get your liberty back."

There never was a secret plan or strategy. We've been on our own from the start and we're gonna be left there when its over.

I know I'm in the majority of believers that saw this campaign as our last stand. Too bad the campaign staff didn't see it too. They thought there'd be a next time. And so they dropped back to protect the sure thing. Oh well.

The dollars crashing, my home's lost its value, plants are closing & manufacturing is all but gone, my children are going to be drafted in the endless wars and gas prices and home heating oil is no longer affordable.

Anyway, the snow looks nice.

 

[Strike-Fighter]

Anyway, the snow looks nice.

+1

 

[allyinoh]

I see an Obama and Hillary commercial every 10 minutes, and even got calls from Obama himself (ha ha) and Hillary's campaign. I havent heard or seen anything from Ron Paul.

Is this just a matter of the Dems having so much more money than RP, or what? I was looking forward to seeing some good RP info. I'm a little disappointed.

Tell me about it. I was watching a program one night and during the commercial I saw an Obama ad and a Hillary ad. In JUST ONE commercial break!

All I see is Obama but also, I don't see any Huckabee or McCain ads or signs.

In my area the only signs and bumperstickers I've seen are Paul. I've seen a couple Obama bumperstickers, but that's it.