Is Rand Paul A Radical?

[jct74]

His father is a radical and always went head-on against the status quo. His son does not have the integrity and character his father has I afraid.

BS. Just because he chooses a slightly different path to achieve his political goals does not mean he is lacking character and integrity.

I have great respect for the man, he is fighting hard for us in Washington every day when he was probably much happier as a small town doctor spending time with his family watching his kids grow up and living a much more stress-free life.

 

[Aldanga]

I believe he is far more radical than he lets on. Rand appears to be trying a different path in hopes that it will work. Is it possible that he's been corrupted in his pursuit? Yes, but I will wait and see. I believe he's the best chance we have at the moment. Until he shows otherwise, I will tentatively support him.

I also support Adam and other "radicals" who "hurt the movement", because they're willing to push boundaries. We will never advance unless we are willing to push boundaries. Do what you know best for liberty. Decide the best way to use your talents to advance the destruction of the regime, and then do those things.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Justin who? Is he some hero of yours or something?

I'm not into hero worship.

Justin Bieber is a teenage idol.

 

[EBounding]

Is Gary Johnson a radical?

 

[donnay]

Give me a freaking break, Donnay!!



Don't you think his father knows?

Rand is using an approach that is getting through to people that RON COULD NOT REACH. And we have to reach them, if we stand a chance in hell. Why can't some of you understand that? WE are not the audience. But, we are acting like such crybabies and panty waists that we resemble his worst enemies. It is flat out disgusting.

Sorry, I just call 'em as I see 'em. Playing party politics has gotten this country where it is today. We need radical change, not someone who acquiesces and compromises more of our liberties for the sake of playing some kind of game.

 

[donnay]

BS. Just because he chooses a slightly different path to achieve his political goals does not mean he is lacking character and integrity.

I have great respect for the man, he is fighting hard for us in Washington every day when he was probably much happier as a small town doctor spending time with his family watching his kids grow up and living a much more stress-free life.[/QUOTE]

That's great I am happy for you. That does not make my comments any lesser. Rand is not radical enough, IMHO. Voting in this country is not the way to make radical change--speaking out against injustices are. Ron Paul does and takes heat for it every time--that's radical.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

I don't think there's any doubt that there's a degree of pragmatism in how he conducts himself. He said as much about the Romney endorsement in a Schiff interview shortly after, that it was something he HAD to do to work within the party, they were threatening to paint him in a corner as a "fake republican" like they did his dad. They told him this.

However, I don't think he's being that dishonest, but rather taking the view that you don't always have to tell people everything about what you really think to take a stand for something.

He's also said that he's "realist" and not in the dishonest way, but rather the recognition that idealism is often impossible in our current landscape. I think that is what he's trying to change, and it's working.

That's my take anyway, but you know, it doesn't take evidence to give someone the benefit of the doubt, that's the recognition that you don't have enough evidence to think otherwise, but those levying accusations would be wise to have good evidence before disavowing the best senator we have. That much we do have evidence of right now.

Bingo

 

[cajuncocoa]

Sorry, I just call 'em as I see 'em. Playing party politics has gotten this country where it is today. We need radical change, not someone who acquiesces and compromises more of our liberties for the sake of playing some kind of game.

Bingo.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Sorry, I just call 'em as I see 'em. Playing party politics has gotten this country where it is today. We need radical change, not someone who acquiesces and compromises more of our liberties for the sake of playing some kind of game.

Actually, very few of the people that have engaged themselves now were involved in any substantial way prior to Ron in the same ways they are now. We didn't have a decent roster of people in Congress and on farm teams throughout the country nor much of a liberty influence in local and state parties plus folk on the RNC. Radical change won't happen but for some substantial crash which I think the elites have buffer zones in place to transition out of it in that case. Either way, we need people like us in better positions and actively engaged in any event. Far too many people bs the restore the GOP route for whatever excuse despite real, tangible evidence that it's working where all else hasn't been. For instance, if the listeners of AJ actually were active in the GOP w/o their usual talking points they'd have major influence to go along with the other liberty crowd and I believe with all engaged we can makeover every state GOP. Yet, when people aren't engaged, those of us who are come up short sometimes.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Bingo.

Exactly, I know how some of you operate. Sit on a forum and pick apart any alleged liberty candidate or politician as much as possible and do little if anything to help elect more. I'll take all the 80%+ that I can get cause only perfect comes in a genie bottle. Once again, the good is always the enemy of the perfect and that's what you're really all about. Rand's record is very strong and comparable to Ron's yet you lump him in with Bentivolio who isn't really all that bad lately.Rand isn't compromising, he's just pushing libertarian issues in a way that you're not happy with so it's time to burn him at the stake. That's how far out some of you are but you seem to be happy so I'm happy for you.

 

[donnay]

Actually, very few of the people that have engaged themselves now were involved in any substantial way prior to Ron in the same ways they are now. We didn't have a decent roster of people in Congress and on farm teams throughout the country nor much of a liberty influence in local and state parties plus folk on the RNC. Radical change won't happen but for some substantial crash which I think the elites have buffer zones in place to transition out of it in that case. Either way, we need people like us in better positions and actively engaged in any event. Far too many people bs the restore the GOP route for whatever excuse despite real, tangible evidence that it's working where all else hasn't been. For instance, if the listeners of AJ actually were active in the GOP w/o their usual talking points they'd have major influence to go along with the other liberty crowd and I believe with all engaged we can makeover every state GOP. Yet, when people aren't engaged, those of us who are come up short sometimes.

I hate politics for this very reason. The false left/right paradigm continues to suck people right in. The hijacked government, current in place, are not going to willingly give up their power, that took them years to acquire. The only way we can take down this illegitimate government is to expose it through education and radical change.

So many people act as though Rand is some kind of 007. Cloak and dagger politics is a bunch of nonsense. While we are waiting for radical change the incremental tyranny goes forward.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Rand is far from radical.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

The only way we can take down this illegitimate government is to expose it through education and radical change.

Agreed, we the people need to be active in educating people, much of the time this happens in political races and through meetings whether they be Tea Party, republican clubs, C4L hangouts, etc.

So many people act as though Rand is some kind of 007. Cloak and dagger politics is a bunch of nonsense. While we are waiting for radical change the incremental tyranny goes forward.

It's as simple as Rand weighing in on an issue and and measuring how libertarian he can speak on it to not put off his intended audience, that's being a salesman. Also, there's the case of media demagoguery involved and they'd pick a Libertarian candidate clean if they ever felt threatened by them. In the mean time, Rand has used parliamentary tactics to strip certain bills of their anti-liberty measures and outright stopped entire pieces of legislation. I'd say as we elect more allies for him and Amash/Massie, we'll see the incremental tyranny stopped and reversed. I'd want to be a part of that.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Exactly, I know how some of you operate. Sit on a forum and pick apart any alleged liberty candidate or politician as much as possible and do little if anything to help elect more. I'll take all the 80%+ that I can get cause only perfect comes in a genie bottle. Once again, the good is always the enemy of the perfect and that's what you're really all about. Rand's record is very strong and comparable to Ron's yet you lump him in with Bentivolio who isn't really all that bad lately.Rand isn't compromising, he's just pushing libertarian issues in a way that you're not happy with so it's time to burn him at the stake. That's how far out some of you are but you seem to be happy so I'm happy for you.

You see it as doing nothing because you only see the political process as the one and only way to accomplish the goal. I happen to believe that's the least effective way (especially since the electorate is woefully uneducated). If I were interested in pursuing the political process, I might be willing to accept 80%....but 80% free isn't really free, is it?

 

[Christian Liberty]

Who knows, but I would have. Are you forgetting the venomous videos being put out by Kokesh??? I wouldn't have wanted him 5 miles within Ron's vicinity.

What videos?

So, you are saying that his father is a liar, right? The same father that said that he and his son agreed on 99% of the issues. Oh, I think I understand now, Ron also said this. "People Try To Drive Wedges Between Rand And Me." It seems like you fit that description well.



Someone who acted like you wanted wouldn't stand a chance at getting elected. Rand has the principles AND he has the pragmatism to get them across to people. Something we have needed for so very long.

For crying out loud, it should be crystal clear why Ron made that 99% comment. He's supporting his son AS A FATHER.

Of course he doesn't want a wedge between him and his own son...they're FAMILY.

That doesn't mean, at least to me, that Ron and Rand are literally only 1% apart on issues; nor does it make Ron a liar for making the comment. Since opinions aren't measured quantitatively anyway, it's pretty much meaningless.

Yeah, this.

Is Gary Johnson a radical?

No, of course not.

Exactly, I know how some of you operate. Sit on a forum and pick apart any alleged liberty candidate or politician as much as possible and do little if anything to help elect more. I'll take all the 80%+ that I can get cause only perfect comes in a genie bottle. Once again, the good is always the enemy of the perfect and that's what you're really all about. Rand's record is very strong and comparable to Ron's yet you lump him in with Bentivolio who isn't really all that bad lately.Rand isn't compromising, he's just pushing libertarian issues in a way that you're not happy with so it's time to burn him at the stake. That's how far out some of you are but you seem to be happy so I'm happy for you.

The thing is that not every vote is equally important and not everything should be weighted equally.

You see it as doing nothing because you only see the political process as the one and only way to accomplish the goal. I happen to believe that's the least effective way (especially since the electorate is woefully uneducated). If I were interested in pursuing the political process, I might be willing to accept 80%....but 80% free isn't really free, is it?

Its better than 0% free though.... I guess everyone has their sliding scale. There are some compromises I'll make and others I won't.

 

[donnay]

Agreed, we the people need to be active in educating people, much of the time this happens in political races and through meetings whether they be Tea Party, republican clubs, C4L hangouts, etc.


It's as simple as Rand weighing in on an issue and and measuring how libertarian he can speak on it to not put off his intended audience, that's being a salesman. Also, there's the case of media demagoguery involved and they'd pick a Libertarian candidate clean if they ever felt threatened by them. In the mean time, Rand has used parliamentary tactics to strip certain bills of their anti-liberty measures and outright stopped entire pieces of legislation. I'd say as we elect more allies for him and Amash/Massie, we'll see the incremental tyranny stopped and reversed. I'd want to be a part of that.

I commend you for your continual effort to try and make radical change. I truly hope you are right and I am terribly wrong, but IMHO, this country is too far gone to get the change that will stop the legislative tyranny and the Police State.

The people (not elected officials) hold the unbridle power--but they have to understand how it works.

 

[TheGrinch]

I commend you for your continual effort to try and make radical change. I truly hope you are right and I am terribly wrong, but IMHO, this country is too far gone to get the change that will stop the legislative tyranny and the Police State.

The people (not elected officials) hold the unbridle power--but they have to understand how it works.

And people are starting to realize this, through things like jury nullification, nullification of unjust federal gun bans, all as the emperor's clothes are being stripped off daily. We need not give up on education and action over a guy who doesn't require much of our time or money for over 2 years from now. However, people can and are being damaging to those future efforts before they even happen.

You don't support Rand, and think there are better things to focus on. Cool, let us know how we can help, but it serves no purpose to disavow those who are world's better than the politicians who are doing the real damage to this country. What does it matter if you don't think his methods will work? That doesn't mean you're obligated to stop him from trying. We each have our own path.

And yes, Rand is just one man, and his supporters don't act like he's the only answer anymore than we thought Ron was. This is and will always be an uphill battle, so we need to work together and support each other, not eat our own over minor disagreements.

 

[VoluntaryAmerican]

I voted no because it's the elite that are currently in charge that are radical.

 

[July]

I voted no because it's the elite that are currently in charge that are radical.

I agree with that.

 

[bunklocoempire]

Is Rand Paul A Radical?

Well, has Rand been embraced and 100% approved by the machine, 90% or 50%? Is there evidence the machine uses Rand when the machine sees fit and then quickly looks to some other that suits the machine's purpose?

Does the machine focus on Rand's liberty message that unites D's and R's or does the machine fixate on the part of Rand's message that typically divides and mongers fear in this machine controlled environment?

IMO the machine hasn't necessarily passed over Fredo to give control of operations to Michael -but rather the machine has continued to prop up the weak and stupid, and for me settles the question.