Is Rand for the "Fair Tax""

[freedoms-light]

I hate to use that name because No Tax is Really Fair, but I get the question a lot.

I believe Ron said he would only support it if the 16th Amendment was repealed
first. Or I may be wrong, but in any case, has Rand taken a position of the
so called "Fair Tax"?

 

[Austin]

I believe Ron said if it ever came up for a vote he would vote for it.. But, he doesn't like it because it still leaves the IRS intact, and thus allows for the potential of double evil.

As far as I know, Rand hasn't taken a position on it yet. I'd like to see him take a similar stance to his father's, noting that the tax is revenue neutral.

 

[thomas-in-ky]

Rand Paul was asked this question in a town hall. If I remember his response, he stated that he would probably be in favor of it if the rate was chosen such that it lowered taxes overall (i.e. better for taxpayers than revenue neutral). He went on to quote his father... something to the effect that... "the fairest flat tax rate would be zero."

 

[Nathan Hale]

I believe Ron said if it ever came up for a vote he would vote for it.. But, he doesn't like it because it still leaves the IRS intact, and thus allows for the potential of double evil.

As far as I know, Rand hasn't taken a position on it yet. I'd like to see him take a similar stance to his father's, noting that the tax is revenue neutral.

Yeah, I remember Ron saying that too. He said "I'm not a supporter, but if it crossed my desk I'd vote for it". I believe at one point he clarified that his support would be conditional on a constitutional amendment repealing the income tax, but I'm not sure.

 

[freedoms-light]

Thanks for all the responses.
It's a shame so many get hung up on this fair tax thing and completely ignore our fraudulent monetary system, not to mention the role that an overbearing government plays in stifling economic growth, not to even mention the erosion of our freedoms. And that 23-25 percent fair tax rate they always mention scares the hell out of me. It's anything but fair.

 

[Matt Collins]

Thomas - will you be in Louisville this Saturday?

 

[Eric21ND]

The Fair Tax is a distraction from ELIMINATING THE INCOME TAX.

 

[thomas-in-ky]

Yes. I plan to be there. 90% certain. And you?

 

[erowe1]

I hate to use that name because No Tax is Really Fair, but I get the question a lot.

I believe Ron said he would only support it if the 16th Amendment was repealed
first. Or I may be wrong, but in any case, has Rand taken a position of the
so called "Fair Tax"?

I'm pretty sure that repeal of the 16th amendment is written into the Fair Tax law as a prerequisite for any of the rest of it to take effect.

Of course repealing the 16th amendment doesn't mean they couldn't still impose an income tax based on their interpretation of Article I Section 8. That wouldn't be any worse of a butchering of the Constitution than plenty of other things that are now commonplace. But the idea behind it is that somehow they wouldn't be able to.

 

[Matt Collins]

Yes. I plan to be there. 90% certain. And you?

Yes absolutely. I look forward to meeting you in person.

 

[Gage]

Rand Paul was asked this question in a town hall. If I remember his response, he stated that he would probably be in favor of it if the rate was chosen such that it lowered taxes overall (i.e. better for taxpayers than revenue neutral). He went on to quote his father... something to the effect that... "the fairest flat tax rate would be zero."

Yes, that is his position. He repeated that sentiment at the recent Tea Party in Elizabethtown.

 

[lx43]

The Fair Tax is a distraction from ELIMINATING THE INCOME TAX.

Exactly, don't let them contact you with this Fair Tax notion; plus I think its a double cross like most politicans would do.

 

[TheSouth18]

He doesn't understand the Fair Tax

I'm a big supporter of the Fair Tax but when I heard Rand's answer, he doesn't understand it.

He stated that the FairTax would be harder on poor people because sale taxes affect poor people more than middle class/rich people. That's true, but the FairTax gives a prebate for legal citizens up to the poverty line that totally offsets the tax, so it doesn't affect them.

Here is why the FairTax would be awesome.

1)Illegal Immigration- Illegal Immigrants would not get the prebate and would start being taxed which would decrease their incentive to be here, that would cause them to go back to their own countries which would take a huge pressure off our hospital and welfare system

2)Only New Items are Taxed- People can avoid taxes by buying used items

3)Investments are not taxed- this includes education. It encourages people to invest- bye bye Social Security anyone?

4) Bye bye 16th amendment along with all other federal taxes

5) No more April 15- filing taxes is a big deal and the country spends way too many man/woman hours preparing taxes

6) Off shore account/investments would come back to the US economy

7)The tax base is broadened. While not a good thing at face value, it makes it much more difficult for the government to raise taxes if everyone is affected as opposed to now when it's like, "oh don't worry, only the evil smokers are going to be taxed, or the evil rich, or the evil people who drive SUVs...etc


8) Prices will fall because of the removal of all of the embedded taxes are gone from the products raw materials and transportation.

9)Businesses could actually make decisions based on what is best for the business instead of what gives them the best tax advantages. Running businesses would be much easier.

 

[Matt Collins]

I'm a big supporter of the Fair Tax but when I heard Rand's answer, he doesn't understand it.

He stated that the FairTax would be harder on poor people because sale taxes affect poor people more than middle class/rich people. That's true, but the FairTax gives a prebate for legal citizens up to the poverty line that totally offsets the tax, so it doesn't affect them.

Except that the prebate would be just another tool for the social engineers in DC to buy votes. If you live the way we prescribe, following our cookie cutter, doing what we want, then we'll give you the rebate. If not, then you lose out to the tune of $300-$500/month. That's too much government dependence.


FT would be much better than what we have no I agree, but there really shouldn't be much of any tax for the feds. They are charged with such a minimal role that they don't need much money.

 

[freedoms-light]

I would tend to believe if the FED did not profit from our debt the fair tax rate could be much much lower. If the federal gov stuck to their constitutionally defined role we probably would not need it or the income tax. Just watch in Freedom to Fascism, when they roll all the taxes paid on the screen. There is really no "Fair" tax.

 

[erowe1]

4) Bye bye 16th amendment along with all other federal taxes

1. The fact that a prerequisite for the Fair Tax is passage of a constitutional amendment that will never pass, all for something that is explicitly designed to be revenue neutral, suggests that simply cutting taxes and spending, which is much easier than passing a constitutional amendment and actually reduces government revenue, might be a better idea.

2. You don't really believe that repealing the 16th amendment would mean that the federal government will stop collecting income taxes do you?

 

[Mike4Freedom]

I'm a big supporter of the Fair Tax but when I heard Rand's answer, he doesn't understand it.

He stated that the FairTax would be harder on poor people because sale taxes affect poor people more than middle class/rich people. That's true, but the FairTax gives a prebate for legal citizens up to the poverty line that totally offsets the tax, so it doesn't affect them.

Here is why the FairTax would be awesome.

1)Illegal Immigration- Illegal Immigrants would not get the prebate and would start being taxed which would decrease their incentive to be here, that would cause them to go back to their own countries which would take a huge pressure off our hospital and welfare system

2)Only New Items are Taxed- People can avoid taxes by buying used items

3)Investments are not taxed- this includes education. It encourages people to invest- bye bye Social Security anyone?

4) Bye bye 16th amendment along with all other federal taxes

5) No more April 15- filing taxes is a big deal and the country spends way too many man/woman hours preparing taxes

6) Off shore account/investments would come back to the US economy

7)The tax base is broadened. While not a good thing at face value, it makes it much more difficult for the government to raise taxes if everyone is affected as opposed to now when it's like, "oh don't worry, only the evil smokers are going to be taxed, or the evil rich, or the evil people who drive SUVs...etc


8) Prices will fall because of the removal of all of the embedded taxes are gone from the products raw materials and transportation.

9)Businesses could actually make decisions based on what is best for the business instead of what gives them the best tax advantages. Running businesses would be much easier.

A simple solution that will help poor people immensely in a fair tax system.
Make this work for everyone,

No taxes on Food, Clothing, Housing cost, utilities, and medical care. There ya go. So poorer people wont be able to get that nice tv, but they can eat and have a roof over thier heads.

This would go for everyone.

 

[Agorism]

I agree with Rand. Oppose all taxes. The FAIR tax and flat tax are stupid ideas, but they are ok only in respect that they might be better than the current system.

So if proposals such as those lower the overall tax burden, that's not a bad idea.

 

[Elwar]

I'm a big supporter of the Fair Tax but when I heard Rand's answer, he doesn't understand it.

He stated that the FairTax would be harder on poor people because sale taxes affect poor people more than middle class/rich people. That's true, but the FairTax gives a prebate for legal citizens up to the poverty line that totally offsets the tax, so it doesn't affect them.

The flaw with the prebate is that a government entity gets to set the poverty level.

How hard would it be for someone to run on the platform of "I want to raise your prebate check to $5,000 a month!".

Hello redistribution of wealth. Hello communism.

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[TonySutton]

Sometimes I think we try to hard for the perfect answer. Fighting for liberty will take many battles. Each battle should have the objective of getting us closer to our goals. There will not be one big battle and suddenly there is liberty for everyone.

The Fair Tax is a battle which will get us closer to liberty.

When fighting for the Fair Tax you can find common ground with others who are dissatisfied with the way the federal government is treating it's citizens and use the opportunity to talk about liberty.