Is piercing a baby's ears "abuse"/violation of NAP?

Restore America Now · Mar 13, 2012

eduardo89 said:
Health, aesthetics, tradition, and I just don't see much merit to the opposing arguments.

You don't see any merit to your child being able to have a full sexual experience as God intended? Circumcision violates the child's liberty and a right to a full body and genital integrity. It does not prevent against HIV or any other kind of disease. Circumcision leads to higher instances of erectile disfunction. No medical association in the world recommends the procedure. The US is one of the only few countries on the planet who still does it. Hygiene takes an extra five seconds in the shower to care for it. Circumcised men's sexual function is severely crippled and alters the mechanics of intercourse.

You might want to take a few minutes to look through this site. http://www.circumstitions.com/

eduardo89 · Mar 13, 2012

Deborah K said:
I had both my daughters' ears pierced when they were infants. Both still have pierced ears, neither one of them regret it. One even has a pierced tongue and belly-button now.

The latter two I'd freak if my daughter got.

(that's probably not the best emoticon for this!)

eduardo89 · Mar 13, 2012

Restore America Now said:
You don't see any merit to your child being able to have a full sexual experience as God intended? Circumcision violates the child's liberty and a right to a full body and genital integrity. It does not prevent against HIV or any other kind of disease. Circumcision leads to higher instances of erectile disfunction. No medical association in the world recommends the procedure. The US is one of the only few countries on the planet who still does it. Hygiene takes an extra five seconds in the shower to care for it. Circumcised men's sexual function is severely crippled and alters the mechanics of intercourse.

You might want to take a few minutes to look through this site. http://www.circumstitions.com/

See, I don't buy any of those arguments. It doesn't deminish sex. It does not "cripple or alter" the mechanics of intercourse. It isn't "genital mutilation".

Acala · Mar 13, 2012

I don't think piercing a baby's ear is a big deal. But one day at the park when I pierced a baby's ear the mother got all freaked and called the cops. I had to hoof it out of there and can't go back.

MelissaWV · Mar 13, 2012

Eh. Piercing ears is not as terrible, as it does not greatly interfere with any function. However, I would (and most places suggest this as well) wait until the baby is old enough not to injure herself with the earrings, and at an age where they can "complain" about the pain associated with infection.

Deborah K · Mar 13, 2012

eduardo89 said:
The latter two I'd freak if my daughter got. (that's probably not the best emoticon for this!)

Well, she's 25 now. She did it after she moved out of the house at 19. I had no say-so. My oldest is 29 tomorrow. She never pierced anything else but she has a couple of tats. So does the 25 year old. But neither of them have tats that are visable. Whatever. They're grown women, all I can do is sigh about it.

eduardo89 · Mar 13, 2012

Acala said:
I don't think piercing a baby's ear is a big deal. But one day at the park when I pierced a baby's ear the mother got all freaked and called the cops. I had to hoof it out of there and can't go back.

Why were you piercing it at the park?!

eduardo89 · Mar 13, 2012

Deborah K said:
Well, she's 25 now. She did it after she moved out of the house at 19. I had no say-so. My oldest is 29 tomorrow. She never pierced anything else but she has a couple of tats. So does the 25 year old. But neither of them have tats that are visable. Whatever. They're grown women, all I can do is sigh about it.

No matter her age, I'll freak out if she gets tattoos or more piercings! Not much I can do about it once she turns 18 apart from freak out haha

Acala · Mar 13, 2012

eduardo89 said:
See, I don't buy any of those arguments. It doesn't deminish sex. It does not "cripple or alter" the mechanics of intercourse. It isn't "genital mutilation".

I was circumcised as an infant but I left that decision for my son to make. He is 19 now and I recently told him I would pay for the procedure if he wanted it. His response was "Fuck no!"

Acala · Mar 13, 2012

eduardo89 said:
Why were you piercing it at the park?!

(psst . . . was a joke)

eduardo89 · Mar 13, 2012

MelissaWV said:
Eh. Piercing ears is not as terrible, as it does not greatly interfere with any function. However, I would (and most places suggest this as well) wait until the baby is old enough not to injure herself with the earrings, and at an age where they can "complain" about the pain associated with infection.

Yeah I've been kind of worried about her tugging on them, but she seems to understand that if she tugs it hurts and she doesn't do it. I always make sure to check her ears when I bathe her to make sure they're clean, so hopefully she won't get any infection.

Okie RP fan · Mar 13, 2012

You are the parent, though...

I've heard of several babies whose ears were pierced. None of them turned out wrong or have had issues.

Just my informal and ignorant take on the matter.

eduardo89 · Mar 13, 2012

Acala said:
I was circumcised as an infant but I left that decision for my son to make. He is 19 now and I recently told him I would pay for the procedure if he wanted it. His response was "Fuck no!"

Smart kid, if you don't have it done as an infant there's no point getting it done later. You're just asking for a world of pain.

Restore America Now · Mar 13, 2012

eduardo89 said:
See, I don't buy any of those arguments. It doesn't deminish sex. It does not "cripple or alter" the mechanics of intercourse. It isn't "genital mutilation".

The foreskin provides a unique gliding action during intercourse that is lost with circumcision. Circed sex is definitely different from intact sex. 70% of the nerve endings are lost on the operating table and, with no protection,the glans start to keratinize (this is when the body begins to create additional layers of skin to help protect what the foreskin would have), which further diminishes feeling. It may not make much different for a person in their 20s, but by the time they are in their 40s, sensation will be very diminished.

Why is it genital mutilation when someone removes the clitoral hood from a girl (homologous to the foreskin in males), but not when the foreskin is removed from a boy?

eduardo89 · Mar 13, 2012

Restore America Now said:
Why is it genital mutilation when someone removes the clitoral hood from a girl (homologous to the foreskin in males), but not when the foreskin is removed from a boy?

You are seriously comparing the two? :rolleyes:

Deborah K · Mar 13, 2012

eduardo89 said:
No matter her age, I'll freak out if she gets tattoos or more piercings! Not much I can do about it once she turns 18 apart from freak out haha

Yeah.....Daddys tend to feel that way about their daughters.

heavenlyboy34 · Mar 13, 2012

eduardo89 said:
See, I don't buy any of those arguments. It doesn't deminish sex. It does not "cripple or alter" the mechanics of intercourse. It isn't "genital mutilation".

BS. Try circumcising your daughter and tell me it's not mutilation. You can even find circumcision under "genital mutilation" at wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genital_modification_and_mutilation

specsaregood · Mar 13, 2012

eduardo89 said:
See, I don't buy any of those arguments. It doesn't deminish sex. It does not "cripple or alter" the mechanics of intercourse. It isn't "genital mutilation".

So you think you know better than God?

heavenlyboy34 · Mar 13, 2012

eduardo89 said:
You are seriously comparing the two?

Are you seriously not? :rolleyes:

Restore America Now · Mar 13, 2012

eduardo89 said:
You are seriously comparing the two?

Absolutely! Why not? The tissues are the same. Which do you cut?

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