Is It Time for America to Break Apart?

[enhanced_deficit]

Does anyone really believe here that largest cities and largest gummit taxing/spending/Congessional depts are rotten?

Lately there seems to be excessive and continued criticism here of American cities (including some of largest cities like NYC, Baltimore, Chicago, SF, LA etc) , American Congress, American government, American politicians, American Banking/Wall Street/Fed Reserve/pharma/GMO, America Education/tax/immigration/Obamacare/Welfare/TSA/Child services systems.. and list goes on.
Many people see a country like a motherland, can any part of motherland be 'rotten' if looked at it with patriotic eyes?

While in principle i don't believe in anyone issuing patriotism certificates to incessant critics but continued criticism at some stage can become a problem and affect national patriotic spirit and cohesiveness.




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We reached out to Sen. Paul’s office for clarification on his comment, asking which statement or statements of Omar’s he was referencing, and if he was alleging that she literally called America a “rotten country” or if he was characterizing remarks she made as saying as much. Finally, we asked which of Omar’s remarks Paul believed amounted to a description of America as a “rotten country.”
A spokesperson for Paul did not provide the requested clarification but instead reiterated via email that the senator viewed Omar’s “continued criticism” as “unfair considering how much Rep. Omar has achieved”:

 

[familydog]

Increasingly, we live in a country that has become de facto little more than a mere geographical entity. True, it is still formally a nation, but a nation where there are in fact at least two very distinct Americas, with radically differing visions of what is real and what is not real, radically differing conceptions of what is moral and what is not, radically differing views about truth and error, and radically differing ideas about using whatever means are available to reach a desired and posited end.

True, but this is nothing new. America has always been divided up between different nations. The reason that our founders created a federal republic in the first place is that they knew various sections of the country are so culturally different that they could not live under the same top-down approach without violent conflict. It turns out, they were correct.

The War of Southern Independence was caused by the North's rejection of federalism and the original understanding of the Constitution.

As far as the Constitutional right for a State to secede, the document is clear. Article 1, Section 10 does not prohibit a State from seceding. Jefferson was right when he argued that the Union was voluntary and States can come and go as they please.

Ultimately, balkanization and breakup will happen. It is inevitable. It almost happened in the 1860s between two groups that had many similarities. It will happen when you introduce millions of people who have very little in common with heritage Americans and who have no understanding of federalism and respect for different cultures.

 

[TheTexan]

That was then. Lincoln showed you that the union must be preserved and sent the army to make sure it was. The government has bigger weapons now.

 

[tod evans]

Does anyone really believe here that largest cities and largest gummit taxing/spending/Congessional depts are rotten?

Lately there seems to be excessive and continued criticism here of American cities (including some of largest cities like NYC, Baltimore, Chicago, SF, LA etc) , American Congress, American government, American politicians, American Banking/Wall Street/Fed Reserve/pharma/GMO, America Education/tax/immigration/Obamacare/Welfare/TSA/Child services systems.. and list goes on.
Many people see a country like a motherland, can any part of motherland be 'rotten' if looked at it with patriotic eyes?

I am one of the most vocal when it comes to criticizing cities, to answer your question, yes I believe that cities and those who choose to live in them are morally decrepit.

People are not built to be stacked on top of one-another, they don't do well.

Cities may be a necessary evil but a sane man should limit his exposure and he should definitely keep his family from having to experience them for any longer than a brief visit.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

I am one of the most vocal when it comes to criticizing cities, to answer your question, yes I believe that cities and those who choose to live in them are morally decrepit.

People are not built to be stacked on top of one-another, they don't do well.

Cities may be a necessary evil but a sane man should limit his exposure and he should definitely keep his family from having to experience them for any longer than a brief visit.

That post was an attempt at satirical sarcasm Another discussion here had also inspired that post.

I'm actually big believer that we should err on the side of allowing more criticism of everything instead of trying to squash it or deter/label critcs as 'unpatriotic' etc.

 

[Occam's Banana]

The question comes down to this: Is the fragile American experiment in republicanism begun in Philadelphia in 1787, which required a commonly-shared understanding of basic principles, now over, or at the very least is it entering its agonizing death throes?

One can certainly trace a progressively destructive trajectory in American history since the overthrow of the American constitutional system in 1865.

The Usurpation of 1865 was just the completion of the Usurpation of 1787 ... (a thing that should be kept in mind for whatever comes after the status quo ...)

 

[Occam's Banana]

By Constitution, two thirds of states must agree before any one can leave.

Well, then, so much the worse for the Constitution.

"Sorry, everybody! False alarm. The Declaration of Independence has been rejected by His Majesty's Government. Move along, now! There's nothing to do here ..."

-- Thomas Jefferson, 1776​

That was then. Lincoln showed you that the union must be preserved and sent the army to make sure it was. The government has bigger weapons now.

And have those bigger weapons allowed them to subjugate Afghanistan? Iraq? Syria? How do the optics change when they begin using them on civilians? How many in the army would support or defect?

It's much more complicated then saying "They have a mighty military." King George had one of the mightiest.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to phill4paul again.

Nobody secedes and lives to tell about it. Ask the Confederacy.

The 13 colonies seceded from the British and they lived to tell about it.

In modern times, the Soviet republics seceded/separated from the USSR and lived to tell about it.

And as for the "bigger weapons" argument: the Soviet Union's weapons weren't any smaller than the U.S. federal government's are ...

 

[Origanalist]

That post was an attempt at satirical sarcasm Another discussion here had also inspired that post.

I'm actually big believer that we should err on the side of allowing more criticism of everything instead of trying to squash it or deter/label critcs as 'unpatriotic' etc.

No, it wasn't meant as sarcasm, and I totally agree with Tod.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Well, then, so much the worse for the Constitution.

"Sorry, everybody! Move along, now! There's nothing to do here! The Declaration of Independence has been rejected by His Majesty's Government ..." -- Thomas Jefferson, 1776

Why are you giving any credibility to zippy's lie?

The Constitution says no such thing.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Well, then, so much the worse for the Constitution.

Thomas Jefferson: "Sorry, everybody! Move along, now! There's nothing to do here! The Declaration of Independence has been rejected by His Majesty's Government ..."





In modern times, the Soviet republics seceded/separated from the USSR and lived to tell about it.

And as for the "bigger weapons" argument: the Soviet Union's weapons weren't any smaller than the U.S. federal government's are ...

The Soviet Union completely collapsed. It wasn't a peaceful division. Or a voluntary union in the first place. And some countries only barely survived and some were swallowed back up. Others have done well.

 

[Origanalist]

That was then. Lincoln showed you that the union must be preserved and sent the army to make sure it was. The government has bigger weapons now.

Lincoln was a tyrant, pure and simple.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Why are you giving any credibility to zippy's lie?

The Constitution says no such thing.

I don't really care whether it's a lie or not. I am not a Constitutionalist.

Even granting his claim arguendo, his statement is still irrelevant. (That was the point of my sarcastic fake Jefferson quote.)

 

[Occam's Banana]

In modern times, the Soviet republics seceded/separated from the USSR and lived to tell about it. [emphasis added by Zippyjuan - OB]

And as for the "bigger weapons" argument: the Soviet Union's weapons weren't any smaller than the U.S. federal government's are ...

The Soviet Union completely collapsed. It wasn't a peaceful division. Or a voluntary union in the first place. And some countries only barely survived and some were swallowed back up. Others have done well.

In what way does any of that rebut. refute or counter my claims that:

(1) the Soviet republics seceded/separated from the USSR and lived to tell about it (which is exactly what happened, however one pleases to characterize it), and
(2) the Soviet Union's weapons weren't any smaller than the U.S. federal government's are ... ?

 

[Ender]

The Usurpation of 1865 was just the completion of the Usurpation of 1787 ... (a thing that should be kept in mind for whatever comes after the status quo ...)

Yep- the Anti-Federalists were right.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Let's see, do I want to live in a socialist state that obsesses over culture...

...or a socialist state that obsesses over culture?

I guess I'm indifferent, so have at it.

 

[otherone]

Yup. My political viewpoint is simple: one is either a secessionist or one is a fascist.

 

[James_Madison_Lives]

No it is time for America to break with Israel now that we will soon know which politicians Israel has blackmailed through Epstein.

 

[Republicanguy]

No, the US should stay the way it is.

 

[tod evans]

No, the US should stay the way it is.

Pipe down Limey, don't you have problems of your own on your side of the pond.

 

[Occam's Banana]

No, the US should stay the way it is.

RPF's resident Orwellian prole chimes in ...