Is it possible the US debt is backed de facto by gold?

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This is wild speculation, but I've been thinking lately that gold is in fact still highly valued by the big bankers, they just aren't direct about it. Historically, the dollar has been highly valued due to worldwide policies after WWII, so it's no surprise that a lot of countries keep dollars in their foreign reserves. But with the economic situation in Europe, why is it that people are selling Euros and buying dollars en masse when they know we aren't doing any better at balancing our budget. And the dollar is constantly being deflated in value also. Yet the federal reserve has the most physical gold of any national bank (nearly twice that of the second largest, Germany). So, is it possible that big banks are less concerned about our debt because they believe in a worse-case scenario, they would be paid in gold??

Perhaps there has always been an "understanding" among the central banks, off-the-record, that the United States could never really default because they would have the gold to back it up. Which if the Dollar became worthless, gold would be the only other reasonable storage of wealth anyhow! The most likely solution is that there is a de facto backing of the debt by gold. After all, we know that many banks and reserves value gold because they keep so much of it. The question is, how much is it valued??

It all ties into the meeting Paul had a few months back where he was grilling the federal reserve over how much physical gold was in the United States. They didn't want to give a direct answer, and it's because we are effectively backing the debt with gold, and if they acknowledged it, then it would be to admit that gold is still highly valued by nations and banks.
 
The USD is backed, by de facto, the military industrial complex. Oil greeces the engine, but the military is the key.
 
The value of all of the gold ever dug up is estimated to be worth $10 trillion and the US debt is over $15 trillion. On a one for one basis you could not possibly back up the US debt with gold.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_reserve
It has been estimated that all the gold mined by the end of 2009 totaled 165,000 tonnes.[2] At a price of US$1900 per troy ounce, reached in September 2011, one tonne of gold has a value of approximately US$61.1 million. The total value of all gold ever mined would exceed US$10.1 trillion at that valuation.

Also according to Wiki the US gold reserves come to 8,133.5 tonnes and at $1900 an ounce (using their $61.1 million a tonne figure), that would come to roughly $500 billion worth. That would pay for about one half of this year's deficit only.
 
The USD is backed, by de facto, the military industrial complex. Oil greeces the engine, but the military is the key.

Pretty much. They took us off the gold standard and now make other nations use the dollar by threat of force.

Just a few examples: Saddam wanted to trade oil in Euros, Gaddafi wanted Africa on a gold standard. We know what happend to them. ;)
 
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The value of all of the gold ever dug up is estimated to be worth $10 trillion and the US debt is over $15 trillion. On a one for one basis you could not possibly back up the US debt with gold.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_reserve


Also according to Wiki the US gold reserves come to 8,133.5 tonnes and at $1900 an ounce (using their $61.1 million a tonne figure), that would come to roughly $500 billion worth. That would pay for about one half of this year's deficit only.

Oh yeah, I understand all that. The point I'm trying to make is that I think the dollar would actually be valued less if we didn't have the world's largest supply of gold. (How much less, I couldn't speculate). Think about it from the viewpoint of a Bilderberger, who knows quite well that the value of fiat currency can be deflated overnight. So if I'm going to invest in debt in a fiat currency from a country that has no gold reserves vs one that has a ton of gold reserves, I think I invest in the one with gold reserves (and they also have the military-industrial complex). There isn't a formal agreement that the debt is backed by gold because governments don't want to tie their currency with gold so they can manipulate prices better

Now imagine the scenary if the investors of the world finally believe that we have no way of paying off our debt and stop buying it. Where else would they put their money? Perhaps another fiat currency, but the next logical place is PMs. A bull run on gold pricescould then counter the previous debt situation, and if gold prices go up to $10,000 an ounce or even $20,000, then suddenly we look more financially solvent with $2-4 Trillion of gold in our vaults. Oh, and the best part? Then we'll find out that the Bilderbergers and power players of the world also have been buying gold for years at discount prices. So they STILL remain in power. An insurance policy, if you will.

It's a pretty wild, unfounded idea, but I just wanted to put it out there.
 
The value of all of the gold ever dug up is estimated to be worth $10 trillion and the US debt is over $15 trillion. On a one for one basis you could not possibly back up the US debt with gold.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_reserve

Also according to Wiki the US gold reserves come to 8,133.5 tonnes and at $1900 an ounce (using their $61.1 million a tonne figure), that would come to roughly $500 billion worth. That would pay for about one half of this year's deficit only.

Ever heard of black gold? No, I'm not talking about oil. It's off the grid gold, used between nations for narcotic sales, arms sales, funds for black-ops etc... There is at least ten times the amount of available gold off the books than on the books in the world. It would not be wise for any corrupt nation to disclose exactly how much gold they do have and where, ever. China was trading spices and opium for gold long before the British empire existed. Thousands of years before this place was a bratty colonial child. You don't believe we actually keep most of our gold at Ft. Knox do you? There are families on this planet that have more gold than most nations.
 
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Ever heard of black gold? No, I'm not talking about oil. It's off the grid gold, used between nations for narcotic sales, arms sales, funds for black-ops etc... There is at least ten times the amount of available gold off the books than on the books in the world. It would not be wise for any corrupt nation to disclose exactly how much gold they do have and where, ever. China was trading spices and opium for gold long before the British empire existed. Thousands of years before this place was a bratty colonial child. You don't believe we actually keep most of our gold at Ft. Knox do you? There are families on this planet that have more gold than most nations.

Rothchilds? ;)
 
The value of all of the gold ever dug up is estimated to be worth $10 trillion and the US debt is over $15 trillion. On a one for one basis you could not possibly back up the US debt with gold.

The value of all the gold ever dug up is estimated to be worth $10 gazillion pixie dollars and the US debt is over 15 wanga wangas. Seriously, comparing hard commodity to illusionary commodity, come on.
 
The US debt is in reality basically backed by the ability of the government to tax its citizens to pay the Treasury holders and in turn the US economy itself rather than any one commodity.
 
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