Is CNN becoming FOX news? Hit Piece on Ron Paul was Politically Motivated

[Liberty Shark]

Every Democrat I know is upset with Obama due to the wars. I don't know who you're talking to, but I live in Portland, OR (very liberal) and have family and friends in NYC and across the East Coast. Nobody, and I mean nobody, defends these wars. In fact, Obama has been the biggest opportunity to wake people up to the false left/right paradigm I've ever seen. Which, from the sounds of it, you may need to come to terms with yourself.

I am completely aware of that and the left/right paradigm stuff. But Oregon is a lot different than Florida or South Carolina, etc. I have heard plenty, and mean plenty of supposed "liberals" or whatever, who favored the Libya thing. Tons of them actually. Were they against Iraq, sure because to them that was Bush's war. Many of them had no problem that it took Obama nearly over 3 years to supposedly end it, even though there will still be many contractors, etc staying there.

I just don't see the stuff you are seeing actually materialize. In the polls I've seen, Paul draws well less than 20% of democrats away from Obama. This whole thing is crazy. Even the ones who are truly anti-war are so dogmatically anti-market and hostile to any profitable business that they won't vote for anyone who isn't an openly avowed socialist. sounds great in theory, but in terms of just simple electoral politics and voting, this whole thing is a big fairytale.

I hope I'm wrong. Maybe if the nomination is won, they will have it in them to jump ship.
However, currently if you are unwilling to "tax the rich" into poverty and starvation, they will not pull the lever for you, or at least 80 percent of them.

 

[seapilot]

I believe FOX news is controlled opposition and progressive lite. They were born in the mid 90s during the last small government movement was going on to take D.C. They successfully corralled up the conservative base and started reprogramming to follow along with the establishment. The left and right argue over emotional issues,while their real freedoms are written and legistlated away.

 

[SSHGuru]

While I am upset that it's taking Obama so long to get our troops home I'm far more upset at how he has failed to take any action to protect the economy. He has allowed Larry Summers and Geithner to print unlimited amounts of money and lend it to banks and large corporations for 0% and then allowed them to rake individuals for ultra high interest rates.

We are in a depression, however the economy "appears" to be healthier than it is because we are printing so much money to keep it afloat. This can't last under any administration.

Obama preached change and all we got was the same.

If you want to read more about this I have another blog - http://thedebtdog.com/ that you should read. It lays it all out.

 

[gmc1988]

I always find it odd that Zionists hate RP so much-he is in favor of letting Israelis handle their problems as they wish. They should love him, in theory.

It's because they don't even care about Israel. Israel, to them, is a means to an end. Israel gives the neo-con Zionists an excuse to wage wars and control people. Ron Paul actually has Israel's best interests at heart. The Zionists (at least the modern day neo-cons) do not.

 

[SSHGuru]

Israel

I'm Jewish and honestly I'm pretty sick and tired of the talk about Israel in this election.

The right wing gets votes by saying "we support Israel" when they really don't care.

Ron Paul at least is honest about it.

As a country we've made Israel the most powerful nuclear force in the middle east. I think they can take care of themselves. Their economy is doing better than ours also.

 

[milo10]

I am completely aware of that and the left/right paradigm stuff. But Oregon is a lot different than Florida or South Carolina, etc. I have heard plenty, and mean plenty of supposed "liberals" or whatever, who favored the Libya thing. Tons of them actually. Were they against Iraq, sure because to them that was Bush's war. Many of them had no problem that it took Obama nearly over 3 years to supposedly end it, even though there will still be many contractors, etc staying there.

While I am also shocked at how foolish Obama supporters are, Libya might not be the best touchstone. We didn't have any real volume of troops on the ground, nobody liked Gaddafi, and to most people's minds it was over with quickly. Fewer people understand things like our going after a dictator who voluntarily abandoned his nuclear weapons program and sought rapproachement with the West. Or that, as far as dictators go, Gaddafi was quite decent to his people. Or that Al Qaeda were involved in the overthrow. Or that the new Libya has signs of going down the road of Islamic fundamentalism.

 

[Lord Xar]

I'd love for Ron Paul to come out and say something about that interviewer and her husbands ties to the defense industry etc.. and how alot of other media people do.... and give examples. There are more than a few.

 

[gmc1988]

I'm Jewish and honestly I'm pretty sick and tired of the talk about Israel in this election.

The right wing gets votes by saying "we support Israel" when they really don't care.

Ron Paul at least is honest about it.

As a country we've made Israel the most powerful nuclear force in the middle east. I think they can take care of themselves. Their economy is doing better than ours also.

Amen! I agree completely with you.

 

[SSHGuru]

Israel etc...

Keep in mind I still say if someone screws with Israel we blow them up. However Israel is just another example of manipulation of people to vote Republican.

1) Israel
2) Guns
3) Abortion
4) Religion

Etc...

These are the issues that the Republicans run on every election.

You have two kinds of Republicans...

1) The people who are wealthy enough to want a tax break - and I include the upper middle class here.

2) The people who can be manipulated by the examples above.

The political system in the US is completely broken. We have idiot congressmen who are corrupt and ineffective president's (at best). The last time we had a decent president was Clinton. Then Bush completely destroyed the economy with wars and mismanagement.

Obama was a hope - he was ultra intelligent and he ran on a platform of change. But after seeing his completely inability to get anything done he should become a college professor. He should step down and let Hillary run - that would be a slam dunk for the Democrats and the nation would be better off than with Gingrich or Romney.

Don't get me wrong I still would vote for Paul. However if Paul cannot get the Nomination then Obama will be in for another four years.

 

[affa]

I just don't see the stuff you are seeing actually materialize. In the polls I've seen, Paul draws well less than 20% of democrats away from Obama. This whole thing is crazy. Even the ones who are truly anti-war are so dogmatically anti-market and hostile to any profitable business that they won't vote for anyone who isn't an openly avowed socialist. sounds great in theory, but in terms of just simple electoral politics and voting, this whole thing is a big fairytale.

I hope I'm wrong. Maybe if the nomination is won, they will have it in them to jump ship.
However, currently if you are unwilling to "tax the rich" into poverty and starvation, they will not pull the lever for you, or at least 80 percent of them.

I think part of the problem is that many people don't care about politics, and even those who do, don't care about it to the degree we do (as evidenced by our presence on this forum). If you told me 6 years ago that's I'd be watching Presidential debates and loving them, I'd have laughed... and I'm politically minded (just have been fed up with US politics for decades). Most people don't sit down and watch the Republican debates (especially non-Republicans). Believe it or not, there are still people who don't know much about Ron Paul.

And then you have those that discount him because he's a 'Republican', or because they've been fed lies about him (he'll get rid of education!). I mean, heck, how many Republicans would sit for hours upon hours watching debates of Democrats if there was a Republican incumbent? How many times would you need to be told 'No! really! you need to listen to this Democrat! He's a good guy, I swear' before you finally googled him and spent time watching him talk?

That's the issue, in my opinion - awareness. I've yet to meet anyone in person that defends attacking Libya (though the media sure acts like it's the Dem position).

The anti-war crowd definitely knows about Ron Paul, and many support him. Heck, that's where I basically come from. Educate Dems about Ron Paul, and you can convert more than you think. Obama has disappointed everyone. Sure, he'll always have defenders and apologists... but as a whole, he's blatantly Bush 2, even to most Dems.