Is America the richest country in the world today?

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If yes, why so much worries about SHTF scenarios even if in worst case scenario we'll end up better off than anyone else in the world?

If not, who's richer than America in the world today?


Mo money, mo problems fo sure, but shouldn't we keep things in perspective if we is the richest in the world still?
 
How can a country be rich if it is in debt?

I've never met a rich person who was in debt.
I have a few neighbors who want to look rich and they are in debt.
 
Good point, but wealthy people carry debt too and that does not answer the question though.

Clearly our massive debt is a massive problem, but are we still the richest in the world today all things considered?
 
To tell you the truth I'm more concerned about being free than "rich". If it does come down to a SHTF scenario, we all know the gov't will strive to be iron-fisted.
 
I'd agree on that; if freedom is a treasure, we're quite poor these days and getting poorer and definitely not the richest in the world.
 
"The Vatican has large investments with the Rothschilds of Britain, France and America, with the Hambros Bank, with the Credit Suisse in London and Zurich. In the United States it has large investments with the Morgan Bank, the Chase-Manhattan Bank, the First National Bank of New York, the Bankers Trust Company, and others. The Vatican has billions of shares in the most powerful international corporations such as Gulf Oil, Shell, General Motors, Bethlehem Steel, General Electric, International Business Machines, T.W.A., etc. At a conservative estimate, these amount to more than 500 million dollars in the U.S.A. alone.

"In a statement published in connection with a bond prospectus, the Boston archdiocese listed its assets at Six Hundred and Thirty-five Million ($635,891,004), which is 9.9 times its liabilities. This leaves a net worth of Five Hundred and Seventy-one million dollars ($571,704,953). It is not difficult to discover the truly astonishing wealth of the church, once we add the riches of the twenty-eight archdioceses and 122 dioceses of the U.S.A., some of which are even wealthier than that of Boston.

"Some idea of the real estate and other forms of wealth controlled by the Catholic church may be gathered by the remark of a member of the New York Catholic Conference, namely 'that his church probably ranks second only to the United States Government in total annual purchase.' Another statement, made by a nationally syndicated Catholic priest, perhaps is even more telling. 'The Catholic church,' he said, 'must be the biggest corporation in the United States. We have a branch office in every neighborhood. Our assets and real estate holdings must exceed those of Standard Oil, A.T.&T., and U.S. Steel combined. And our roster of dues-paying members must be second only to the tax rolls of the United States Government.'

"The Catholic church, once all her assets have been put together, is the most formidable stockbroker in the world. The Vatican, independently of each successive pope, has been increasingly orientated towards the U.S. The Wall Street Journal said that the Vatican's financial deals in the U.S. alone were so big that very often it sold or bought gold in lots of a million or more dollars at one time.

"The Vatican's treasure of solid gold has been estimated by the United Nations World Magazine to amount to several billion dollars. A large bulk of this is stored in gold ingots with the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank, while banks in England and Switzerland hold the rest. But this is just a small portion of the wealth of the Vatican, which in the U.S. alone, is greater than that of the five wealthiest giant corporations of the country. When to that is added all the real estate, property, stocks and shares abroad, then the staggering accumulation of the wealth of the Catholic church becomes so formidable as to defy any rational assessment.

"The Catholic church is the biggest financial power, wealth accumulator and property owner in existence. She is a greater possessor of material riches than any other single institution, corporation, bank, giant trust, government or state of the whole globe. The pope, as the visible ruler of this immense amassment of wealth, is consequently the richest individual of the twentieth century. No one can realistically assess how much he is worth in terms of billions of dollars."
 
"The Vatican has large investments with the Rothschilds of Britain, France and America, with the Hambros Bank, with the Credit Suisse in London and Zurich. In the United States it has large investments with the Morgan Bank, the Chase-Manhattan Bank, the First National Bank of New York, the Bankers Trust Company, and others. The Vatican has billions of shares in the most powerful international corporations such as Gulf Oil, Shell, General Motors, Bethlehem Steel, General Electric, International Business Machines, T.W.A., etc. At a conservative estimate, these amount to more than 500 million dollars in the U.S.A. alone.

"In a statement published in connection with a bond prospectus, the Boston archdiocese listed its assets at Six Hundred and Thirty-five Million ($635,891,004), which is 9.9 times its liabilities. This leaves a net worth of Five Hundred and Seventy-one million dollars ($571,704,953). It is not difficult to discover the truly astonishing wealth of the church, once we add the riches of the twenty-eight archdioceses and 122 dioceses of the U.S.A., some of which are even wealthier than that of Boston.

"Some idea of the real estate and other forms of wealth controlled by the Catholic church may be gathered by the remark of a member of the New York Catholic Conference, namely 'that his church probably ranks second only to the United States Government in total annual purchase.' Another statement, made by a nationally syndicated Catholic priest, perhaps is even more telling. 'The Catholic church,' he said, 'must be the biggest corporation in the United States. We have a branch office in every neighborhood. Our assets and real estate holdings must exceed those of Standard Oil, A.T.&T., and U.S. Steel combined. And our roster of dues-paying members must be second only to the tax rolls of the United States Government.'

"The Catholic church, once all her assets have been put together, is the most formidable stockbroker in the world. The Vatican, independently of each successive pope, has been increasingly orientated towards the U.S. The Wall Street Journal said that the Vatican's financial deals in the U.S. alone were so big that very often it sold or bought gold in lots of a million or more dollars at one time.

"The Vatican's treasure of solid gold has been estimated by the United Nations World Magazine to amount to several billion dollars. A large bulk of this is stored in gold ingots with the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank, while banks in England and Switzerland hold the rest. But this is just a small portion of the wealth of the Vatican, which in the U.S. alone, is greater than that of the five wealthiest giant corporations of the country. When to that is added all the real estate, property, stocks and shares abroad, then the staggering accumulation of the wealth of the Catholic church becomes so formidable as to defy any rational assessment.

"The Catholic church is the biggest financial power, wealth accumulator and property owner in existence. She is a greater possessor of material riches than any other single institution, corporation, bank, giant trust, government or state of the whole globe. The pope, as the visible ruler of this immense amassment of wealth, is consequently the richest individual of the twentieth century. No one can realistically assess how much he is worth in terms of billions of dollars."

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USA is #10 in the GDP per capita ranking (if you trust CIA :) ):
https://www.cia.gov/library/publica...tates&countryCode=us&regionCode=na&rank=10#us

Considering the statictical error I'd say USA has the same revenue per capita as the top 40 countries in the list, which includes a whole bunch. So by far USA is not the richest. We have a lot of rich people, but on average we are not. So this is the today's official revenue. Now if you account for liabilities side of the country banance sheets, ammortize this liability over even 50 years, then I'm sure USA would not be in the top 40.

I don't think we are going to have starving children like in some African countries, but once we are called on our debt, our strandard of living can go down and service sector would suffer a lot. We downscale USA service sector - 70% of USA GDP today. Then after defaulting on the debt or hyperinflating USA would still be ok, but I think we'll compete for #50 or so position with Latvia :)

The good news, we have good infrustructure and a lot of brian power, so when allowed to restructure, we would be in a good shape again.
 
It's hard to be rich if your 12 Trillion dollars in debt. :p

Well, to be fair, the US' debt to GDP ratio is around 80-90%, whereas Switzerland has a dept to GDP of 250%, and Ireland has a whopping 800% debt to GDP. And surprisingly Hong Kong's debt to GDP ratio is higher than the US as well (I can't remember the percentage though). If we just stop spending so much damn money, and gradually begin to increase our manufacturing base, I'm absolutely certain we can make it out of this crisis. First things first though, we (obviously) need leaders who think the same way, like Schiff. Otherwise, well....we all better start learning Japanese and Mandarin Chinese...
 
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Well, to be fair, the US' debt to GDP ratio is around 80-90%, whereas Switzerland has a dept to GDP of 250%, and Ireland has a whopping 800% debt to GDP. And surprisingly Hong Kong's debt to GDP ratio is higher than the US as well (I can't remember the percentage though). If we just stop spending so much damn money, and gradually begin to increase our manufacturing base, I'm absolutely certain we can make it out of this crisis. First things first though, we (obviously) need leaders who think the same way, like Schiff. Otherwise, well....we all better start learning Japanese and Mandarin Chinese...

I agree. Another point I'd like to make - americans should stop obsessing being the greatest, the richest, the ... nation in the world. This is just very subjective and honestly stupid.
 
Well, to be fair, the US' debt to GDP ratio is around 80-90%, whereas Switzerland has a dept to GDP of 250%, and Ireland has a whopping 800% debt to GDP. And surprisingly Hong Kong's debt to GDP ratio is higher than the US as well (I can't remember the percentage though). If we just stop spending so much damn money, and gradually begin to increase our manufacturing base, I'm absolutely certain we can make it out of this crisis. First things first though, we (obviously) need leaders who think the same way, like Schiff. Otherwise, well....we all better start learning Japanese and Mandarin Chinese...

But how much of our GDP is fake? Govt. spending accounts for a lot of our GDP. My guess is that most of the Hong Kong GDP comes from the private sector.
 
To tell you the truth I'm more concerned about being free than "rich".

They are the same thing. A free society is a rich society. An unfree society may be rich only for a short time by virtue of the income produced when the nation was free.

This is the situation we find ourselves in now. Like Wile E. Coyote, we find ourselves in a cloud of smoke above an open gorge. We won't fall until we look down, or the world forces us to look down. We have been looking up for thirty years in the hope that we could continue to live like rich people even as we produced nothing. Now, our eyes are being dragged precipitously downward, and the sign is coming up. "Uh-oh".
 
Now China and India are richer than USA.

The global financial crisis 2008 & 2009 was a result of all-time high prices for crude oil, Real estates, commodities & others.

The prices reached all-time high in 2008 due to massive demand from China and India.

Now China & India economy is prospering where as USA amd Europe are collapsing. They have made a meal out of them.
 
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