Is a Man's Reputation His Property?

Dear Osan,

Other than a very tedious vocubularical point, you raise no objections to the substance of my opinion whatsoever. So we are in agreement?

As a note -- a very minor note -- I do not agree that aggression is the wrong word. I think it is a perfect word. It is the most perfect opposite of "defense", and thus conveys exacly what I want to convey. Consider "light" vs. "dark". Were I to use these terms, you could find an array of definitions of "dark" in the dictionary and thus object to its usage, saying "Note the timbre of the word 'dark', how it carries with it the connotation of danger, the unknown, evil, and even malevolence". I feel this is what you have done in your objection to the word "aggression". But regardless, we have a very easy solution: simply substitute "trespass" for it in all my previous posts, and if you are a consistent libertarian in what you define as trespass, it will still mean exactly the same thing to me, exactly what I want it to mean, and it will mean the exactly right thing for you too, and thus we will have an instance of perfect communication.

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Are there any further arguments to be made against, or for -- especially for -- the proposition that a man has a property right to his reputation, or perhaps that he has one in the content of everyone's communications?
 
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I think his true good reputation is his property. It is something both measurable and hard to create without diligence. And easy to destroy, without protection.
 
your identity is your own, and if someone is spreading lies that tarnish your identity, they are committing a fraud. a fraud to the people they are lying to, and damages to you because your rep is what you base your very word on.
 
your identity is your own, and if someone is spreading lies that tarnish your identity, they are committing a fraud. a fraud to the people they are lying to, and damages to you because your rep is what you base your very word on.
I am against fraud. It depends on the lie whether it is fraud. Not all lying constitutes a fraudulent trespass. I have just decided that the spreading of identity-tarnishing lies could be fraud, under certain circumstances. The circumstance that comes to mind is if the lie was that you were me -- that is, you are actually claiming my identity as your own. So someone was wanting and trying to deal with me in some way, and you are instead interloping and dealing with him on my behalf without my knowledge nor permission. For instance, you are putting my name and logo on your soup cans, thus defrauding the buyer of the soup who thought he was buying mine. Now I think it may be important to realize that the person being trespassed against in this case is not me, but is the soup buyer. I was not involved in the transaction at all. None of my property was trespassed against.
 
I am against fraud. It depends on the lie whether it is fraud. Not all lying constitutes a fraudulent trespass. I have just decided that the spreading of identity-tarnishing lies could be fraud, under certain circumstances. The circumstance that comes to mind is if the lie was that you were me -- that is, you are actually claiming my identity as your own. So someone was wanting and trying to deal with me in some way, and you are instead interloping and dealing with him on my behalf without my knowledge nor permission. For instance, you are putting my name and logo on your soup cans, thus defrauding the buyer of the soup who thought he was buying mine. Now I think it may be important to realize that the person being trespassed against in this case is not me, but is the soup buyer. I was not involved in the transaction at all. None of my property was trespassed against.

or if I went around telling everyone you fuck lil' children. (and it was false)
I would be telling people you were something that you were not. that is fraud.
 
Dear Osan,

Other than a very tedious vocubularical point, you raise no objections to the substance of my opinion whatsoever. So we are in agreement?

You write as if this were a minor point. It is not. Your expressed position indicates an unsound discounting of language. Grand error.
 
You write as if this were a minor point. It is not. Your expressed position indicates an unsound discounting of language. Grand error.

Yeah, right. Yet you yourself used "trespass", "violation", and "invasion" as synonyms, as if they all mean the same thing, when quite obviously they are different words which may have different connotations and sets of meanings. You're using the language wrong! How dare you! Call the language police! Wait, there is a central authority that determines language... right?
 
the implication being that a person can be isolated from trade with everyone else. its an act of aggression by fraud.
I don't have a right to trade with anyone, though. Everyone has a right to refuse to trade with me. Ostracism is perfectly acceptable under libertarianism. "Isolating me from trade" is not aggression trespass. If that's true, and I think it is, it is hard to see how merely inducing others to "isolate me from trade" could possibly be trespass.

If it's OK for you to do it (stop trading), and it's OK for them to do it, how come you causing them to do it is suddenly a violation of property rights?
 
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