Iraq fallout: Christianity is being wiped out of America?

[Bman]

How do you know for a fact that he had Judeo-Christian values during his reign? I would think, based on his actions, you would be able to surmise that he didn't. Besides, how many atheists started out as Christians? LOTS!!

I'm just pulling your chain. Good and bad people come from everywhere.

 

[Deborah K]

By his own admission, Hitler rejected Christianity at the age of fourteen. He sometimes bragged to his Nazi associates, about how he would openly ridicule the Christian beliefs of his teachers during his school years.

His devout belief in the theory of evolution led him to believe that Germans and other "Aryans" were the "pinnacle of human evolution", the alleged highest form of life on earth.

And it doesn't explain why, if he was a practising Christian, he would put Priests and other clergy types in the camps.

I have never seen more history revision in my life!!! Is this board being taken over by the atheist/anarchist movement or something?

 

[Deborah K]

I'm just pulling your chain. Good and bad people come from everywhere.

You like pulling my chain do ya?

 

[Bman]

You like pulling my chain do ya?

From time to time it is what I do.

 

[Conservative Christian]

Doesn't change that fact that he had Judeo-Christian values.

"You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

Adolf Hitler
Quoted by Albert Speer, "Inside the Third Reich" (Speer was Hitler's closest friend and confidant during the Third Reich)


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[Conservative Christian]

And it doesn't explain why, if he was a practising Christian, he would put Priests and other clergy types in the camps.

I have never seen more history revision in my life!!! Is this board being taken over by the atheist/anarchist movement or something?

Hitler sent over 700 Catholic priests to the concentration camps. I'm not sure of the figure on how many Protestant pastors were imprisoned, but it was in the hundreds, including Niemoller etc.

Go to Barnes & Noble and Borders, and take a look at books by reputable historians and authors like William Shirer, Michael Burleigh, Ian Kershaw etc. The militant anti-Christian nature of Hitler and Naziism are well documented by these internationally acknowledged experts.

Not to mention that MANY of Hitler's own Nazi associates have documented the anti-Christian nature of Hitler and Naziism, including Albert Speer, Ernst Hanfstaengel, Martin Bormann, Heinrich Himmler etc.

 

[nickcoons]

Believe it or not, reason and faith can coexist in the same brain.

No more so than light and dark can coexist in the same volume of space. Dark is the absence of light -- faith is the absence of reason.

Understanding Faith and Reason

 

[nickcoons]

When it comes to being deceptive, that loser Hannity has NOTHING on you, Mr. Coons.

Though I disagree with basically everything you're saying, I've been considerate throughout. Would it be accurate to say that your attitude is typical of Christians, or are you unique in your hostility?

You're the same individual who "reasoned" that a person who hires a hit-man to kill somebody, is NOT guilty of any crime.

I would invite you to re-read that thread. Very clearly, I simply asked someone to explain to me their view, logically played through, why the hirer of a contract killer should be liable. You're mistaken if you think the discussion's intention was for me to convey that I think the hirer is not guilty of a crime. For those of us that enjoy engaging in mental exercises, the intent was clear.

If your judgment of me is based on thinking that I think it's okay for people to hire people to kill people, then consider your premise shattered and start over.

The devout atheism of the Communists played a KEY role in their marked proclivity for mass murder, PRECISELY because they viewed themselves as the ultimate power, and thus had no use for such concepts as "Thou shalt not kill"---and they believed they wouldn't have to ultimately answer to a higher authority for their crimes.

Soviet communists followed the ideology of state worship, hardly atheistic. Reason leads one to an objective morality that precludes the initiation of force. You cannot use reason to commit mass murder, or any murder.

And the murderous world of atheist communism really isn't much different from an atheist Nick Coons world, where somebody could have people murdered at will, by simply hiring a hit man to do their dirty work.

Except that they'd be legitimately punished for committing an act of aggression against another human being. I guess if you leave out that minor detail, then sure, there's no difference.

In a Nick Coons world, a radical racist could go out and hire a hit-man with a machine gun to open fire on a crowded auditorium at a black college, and Nick would let the racist go free.

Strawman.

Sorry, but I'll pass on Nick's grossly distorted "reason", as will anybody with common sense.

Basing your arguments on false premises usually leads to false conclusions.

 

[nickcoons]

Hitler was born into a catholic family. He was not a practising catholic during his reign. It is very inflammatory of you to suggest otherwise.

It was inflammatory of me? Please look up the word "inflammatory", and try not to exaggerate next time.

 

[Conservative Christian]

Mr. Coon's Arguments = Monumental Fail

Though I disagree with basically everything you're saying, I've been considerate throughout. Would it be accurate to say that your attitude is typical of Christians, or are you unique in your hostility?

Stop your whining, Mr. Coons. I called the self-professed Christian Hannity a "loser", whereas I very accurately referred to you as only being "deceptive". So I was actually being harder on an alleged fellow Christian, than I was on you.

I would invite you to re-read that thread. Very clearly, I simply asked someone to explain to me their view, logically played through, why the hirer of a contract killer should be liable. You're mistaken if you think the discussion's intention was for me to convey that I think the hirer is not guilty of a crime. For those of us that enjoy engaging in mental exercises, the intent was clear.

I'm familiar with the thread, and you're being deceptive again.

If your judgment of me is based on thinking that I think it's okay for people to hire people to kill people, then consider your premise shattered and start over.

You've shattered nothing, except your own credibility.

Soviet communists followed the ideology of state worship, hardly atheistic. Reason leads one to an objective morality that precludes the initiation of force. You cannot use reason to commit mass murder, or any murder.

^Hogwash. Don't bore me with your semantic games, Mr. Coons. Please PROVE that these atheists "worshipped" the state. Please explain PRECISELY how they "worshipped" it.

The hard fact of the matter is, many of those murderous atheists didn't "worship" the state at all. Due to their atheist belief in "reason", many of them merely viewed the state as a means to an end.

In fact, in communist theory, the state is supposed to eventually "wither away"---i.e. be replaced by an anarchist utopia. The ULTIMATE and FINAL stage of communism has NO state.

So from the BEGINNING of the world communist movement, the state was seen by the communist atheists ONLY AS A MEANS TO AN END, WHICH WOULD EVENTUALLY BE DONE AWAY WITH.

Nobody would do away with something that they "worship", thus Mr. Coon's flawed hypothesis that the communists "worshiped" the state = CATASTROPHIC FAIL.

Except that they'd be legitimately punished for committing an act of aggression against another human being. I guess if you leave out that minor detail, then sure, there's no difference.

In the previous thread we're both referring to, however, you stated that only the hireling committing the murder should be punished, and that the hirer should NOT.

Your very typical atheist flip-flopping and dancing around the issue have been noted.

Strawman.

Not at all. Merely a REASONABLE assessment based on your own past statements.

Basing your arguments on false premises usually leads to false conclusions.

Indeed. YOUR many false premises have led YOU to MANY false conclusions, Mr. Coon. You are in sad need of a proper education in politics, economics, logic and morality---just to name a few areas in which you are deficient.

 

[nickcoons]

Stop your whining, Mr. Coons.

I should have picked up this in your first post. I did pick it up, but I ignored it and continued, a mistake I accept fault for.

There are multiple purposes for engaging in online debate. Only a couple of which I will knowingly partake in. One is education (of and by either party), and the other is intellectual exercise. Your tactic represents a third kind -- one I will not engage in -- which is represented by attacking your opponent, generally for an artificially self-uplifting purpose (maybe this is why you repeatedly misspell my name, or maybe it's an honest mistake). I've been told that people like to try and ruffle my feathers because I'm unflappable, so maybe your goal is one of reaching some sort of personal milestone.. who knows.

If your purpose is to educate me, then your approach is all wrong. If you think I'm beyond educating, then you're wasting your time. Either way, your participation is pointless. And by that token, so is mine. So I will leave you with the following thoughts.

You confuse Marxist theoretical communism with Soviet empirical communism. The former is the "wither away" type you describe, and the latter is the state worship type where faith-based religion is supplanted by faith-based belief in the benevolence of the state, which is simply religion worshiping some other deity, not at all atheistic.

I tell you that I do not believe it's okay for people to hire people to kill people. Infer whatever you want from devil's advocate arguments, but there is no higher authority to tell you what I believe than me. You can think I'm deceptive, but deception requires a motive, and I don't care what your judgment of me is, so you can think I'm a child molester if you'd like and I won't lose any sleep at night. I have no motivation to deceive you.

In that same vain, I'm very aware of the solid ground on which I stand in regards to my logical, moral, political, and economic (how'd that one even enter the conversation?) views. You're at the point in this conversation where you will discount anything I say, not because of what I say, but because I'm saying it. So I have no motivation to put forth the effort into trying to convince you of anything further. You'll believe what you want to believe, and no one's going to convince you with logical arguments, because you'll quickly reveal to them the futility of their efforts and they'll get bored just as I have.

 

[Conservative Christian]

You've proven nothing, Mr. Coons---and I've confused nothing.

Please give us DOCUMENTABLE PROOF that all Soviet empirical communists "worship" the state. I'm calling BS on your claim right now. For many "empirical communists", the state is merely a means to an end--total power.

They were mass-murdering atheists, plain and simple.

Your ego-driven proclamations are laughable, and your self-professed "logic" rests on ground about as solid as quicksand.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Those that partook in this thread may be interested in this for further reading:

Religion in the Soviet Union

 

[Liberty Star]

Those that partook in this thread may be interested in this for further reading:

Religion in the Soviet Union

Interesting read.

It is ironic that Jewish immigrantion from the former Soviet Union to Israel ( that OBL among otherrs helped make possible) has become part of problem in holy land dispute. USSR's name somehow comes up in major issues of today.

 

[Liberty Star]

Another sign, last week notorious pro apartheid group CUFI held a gathering in Washington and no one cared. Ironically, in same week Obama adminstration tightened screws on holy land settlers by arresting Rabbis tied to settler movement. Obama didn't even come to say hello to CUFI extremists when they were in town.

 

[Sandman33]

The bible SAYS that Christianity will fail.

That Satan will decieve and enslave the entire world. And that he will only rescue a hanfull of his loyal sheep.

 

[Kludge]

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[Sandman33]

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[TortoiseDream]

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lolol

 

[Liberty Star]

The bible SAYS that Christianity will fail.

That Satan will decieve and enslave the entire world. And that he will only rescue a hanfull of his loyal sheep.

If I'm nost mistaken, that is supposed to happen just bfeore return of Jesus. On return Jesus will then convert all remaining jews, muslims, atheists to original Christian faith (original catholic) of olden times and those who refuse to accept the true message would face a very unpleasant end. At least that's my understanding of Biblical prophecy.