Iowa Poll- Iowa State University/KCRG/Gazette poll- Cain 24.5%, Paul 20.4%, Gingrich 4.8%

[Carole]

I believe this simple diagram will help explain the phenomena you've been observing:

That is really funny.

 

[craezie]

Maintain momentum in Iowa, and blow up NEVADA! We HAVE to upset Romney in Nevada to win!

That is going to be very, very hard. But 2nd is in the bag. Nevada is Mormon territory, and in 2008 a full quarter of the GOP voters were Mormon, almost all of whom voted for Romney. That's a lot of ground to make up. But then again, if the others aren't seen as so viable anymore, then we have a 75% pot to dip into.

I am surprised at this poll that RP is most popular among low incomes. We are those pesky 1%ers (who started a business and give jobs to other people) and we love Ron Paul because he is the last best hope for true competition among businesses and an end to bogus regulation and crony capitalism. Plus we pay through the nose on taxes and I want to see a more fair tax code. I guess I always assumed that the peeps at the other end of the spectrum who don't pay any federal taxes wouldn't be down with that kind of thing. Then again, Cain's 999 tax plan is an enormous increase on poorer people (9% income plus the extra 9% on everything they buy, which tends to be a big proportion).

 

[Todd]

I believe that Ron Paul "slammed" this poll. So he should be disqualified.

eevil Bill O'Reilly voice

 

[helmuth_hubener]

[H]ere's another article about Paul's rise:

http://www.sunherald.com/2011/11/17/...owa-surge.htmlQuite nice, I'd say.

Though, it's surprising there's not more coverage ...

I'd say it's quite nice there's not more coverage. I agree with parocks. There is no advantage to getting huge amounts of national coverage right now.

So let's all hope the media ignore this poll. We know about it, and Iowa people will likely hear about it, and it has positive effects on both groups. There's no need for anyone else to know about it.

Winning Iowa is everything. We just need to win Iowa. And more and more, I think we will.

 

[sailingaway]

two to one spectacular Iowa polls in two days, and the good ones confirm Ron's internals as does the new better NH one. Ron has no reason to fool himself in his internals, and this is Ron, not Cain, what he says is solid.

 

[TheDrakeMan]

Yeah I think these polls are legit. Two in a row that put Ron Paul in second. This new Rasmusseun one has to be nonsense.

 

[KingRobbStark]

This is an interisting week.

 

[sailingaway]

This is an interisting week.

 

[trey4sports]

I'd like to see what Ron's internal polls look like.

 

[sailingaway]

I'd like to see what Ron's internal polls look like.

Just before the good polls came out he told a NH audience that he was in second in NH and 'doing very well in Iowa' so he didn't know why the more recent GOP establishment type polls showed differently. After the Bloomberg poll came out he was asked if he was surprised and he said no, that his internal polls had been polling that way for a little while now.

He has the same pollster Rand used, and they were VERY accurate in Rand's race.

 

[trey4sports]

Just before the good polls came out he told a NH audience that he was in second in NH and 'doing very well in Iowa' so he didn't know why the more recent GOP establishment type polls showed differently. After the Bloomberg poll came out he was asked if he was surprised and he said no, that his internal polls had been polling that way for a little while now.

He has the same pollster Rand used, and they were VERY accurate in Rand's race.

Yes, but I also thought he said something about being a little bit over 10%? I'm not sure if he was talking about NH or Iowa but that stuck in my mind.

 

[sailingaway]

His a little bit over 10% was with a laugh indicating he meant it was way over 10%, and that it was being minimized by people saying 10%.

 

[sailingaway]

there is a video on it from new hampshire. I'll see if I can find where I posted it. Unfortunately it might have been in the middle of a thread...

 

[Debrikishaw]

This poll has older data than newer ones. The polling for this one started on November 1st, which was BEFORE
Cain's controversy and Gingrich's surge. That explains Gingrich's low numbers.

 

[lucent]

We should pay for our own poll.

http://www.selzerco.com/services.html

 

[sailingaway]

This poll has older data than newer ones. The polling for this one started on November 1st, which was BEFORE
Cain's controversy and Gingrich's surge. That explains Gingrich's low numbers.

this covered a long period, and yes, I agree Cain and Newt probably changed places by now.

 

[lucent]

So what are the odds of Ron Paul staying at a static 10% without fluctuating within the margin of error?

 

[sailingaway]

I can't find the New Hampshire video right now, but I'll trust Ron's internal polls confirmed by this one AND by bloomberg

 

[sailingaway]

Yes, but I also thought he said something about being a little bit over 10%? I'm not sure if he was talking about NH or Iowa but that stuck in my mind.

Just now on Hannity, again Ron said these higher polls reflect what his internal polling has been showing for WEEKS now.