Inside the mind of a "law and order" Republican

[tod evans]

Progressives tend to want to change the rule of law instead of following the rule of law.

Which of the 100's of thousands of laws and edicts should one follow?

I'm not a progressive although some of my politics are to the left of Gandhi...

Nor am I a conservative even though most of my politics are to the right of Attila the Hun....

 

[nikcers]

Which of the 100's of thousands of laws and edicts should one follow?

I'm not a progressive although some of my politics are to the left of Gandhi...

Nor am I a conservative even though most of my politics are to the right of Attila the Hun....

You know where I feel safe, where there is private security. There is private security everywhere I go nowadays. I go to walgreens and there is a security guard greeting me and telling me to have a good day. You know where I feel safe, where I can conceal carry, because I know that no one is going to protect my life the way I will. Cops scare the shit out of me, they shoot more innocent people then criminals do in my eyes. Do you call that law and order?

 

[TheCount]

That is a very complex question, but I will try to give some simplistic rough answers.

Min: The Old west, not including progressive cities like Dodge where the citizens were denied their 2nd amendment rights.
Max: This one is harder but it would probably be somewhere around the 1900s and 1910s.

How does ICE fit into this?

Were there immigration agents in the old west?

 

[tod evans]

You know where I feel safe, where there is private security. There is private security everywhere I go nowadays. I go to walgreens and there is a security guard greeting me and telling me to have a good day. You know where I feel safe, where I can conceal carry, because I know that no one is going to protect my life the way I will. Cops scare the shit out of me, they shoot more innocent people then criminals do in my eyes. Do you call that law and order?

Certainly not.

Now how about answering the question I asked you?

 

[nikcers]

Certainly not.

Now how about answering the question I asked you?

I think we should legalize more liberty before we can repeal a lot of laws that perpetuate the Marxist PC culture. I don't think we need a TSA for our local law enforcement and that's where I see this going.

 

[tod evans]

I think we should legalize more liberty before we can repeal a lot of laws that perpetuate the Marxist PC culture. I don't think we need a TSA for our local law enforcement and that's where I see this going.

What?

WTF does "legalize more liberty" actually mean?

And how could anyone be against repealing laws?

 

[nikcers]

What?

WTF does "legalize more liberty" actually mean?

And how could anyone be against repealing laws?

I don't even understand if you are arguing against my argument or the phrasing or both? I think if I got articulate enough- wrote paragraphs out- you would be pedantic to criticize my spelling.

 

[tod evans]

I don't even understand if you are arguing against my argument or the phrasing or both? I think if I got articulate enough- wrote paragraphs out- you would be pedantic to criticize my spelling.

I'm not arguing against anything, I'm trying to understand the point you're making...

 

[nikcers]

I'm not arguing against anything, I'm trying to understand the point you're making...

These systemic problems in society can't be fixed by government because they are caused by government. You can't remove the law though without removing the government otherwise there will be tyranny.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

One problem I observe is that many people don't even bother to separate the two words "law" and "order." People put them together, as if they're inseparable. I don't hear people digging deep enough to discuss the differences. Most of today's new legislation and regulation is about order, not about law.

Laws occur naturally; Law has been around for eons. Do not murder. Do not steal. Man doesn't invent laws. Law precedes man. You don't need people who think they are so smart as to declare eureka, and then pretend they came up with something the rest of us did not know about.

Order code that has nothing to do with law:

consensual drug use and purchasing
smoking in a restaurant
occupational licensing
home schooling regs
Obama "Care"
minimum wage
seatbelt & helmet code
police roadblocks
marriage
gambling
gun statutes
rent stabilization/control
eminent domain
paid work family leave
blue "laws"
happy hour legislation
assisted suicide
firework selling restrictions
asset forfeiture
campaign contribution statutes
cable TV regulation
raw milk selling
trans-fat food bans
Etc, etc, etc, etc

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Enforcing law doesn't necessarily require a formal, government body.

 

[Zippyjuan]

One problem I observe is that many people don't even bother to separate the two words "law" and "order." People put them together, as if they're inseparable. I don't hear people digging deep enough to discuss the differences. Most of today's new legislation and regulation is about order, not about law.

Laws occur naturally; Law has been around for eons. Do not murder. Do not steal. Man doesn't invent laws. Law precedes man. You don't need people who think they are so smart as to declare eureka, and then pretend they came up with something the rest of us did not know about.

Order code that has nothing to do with law:

consensual drug use and purchasing
smoking in a restaurant
occupational licensing
home schooling regs
Obama "Care"
minimum wage
seatbelt & helmet code
police roadblocks
marriage
gambling
gun statutes
rent stabilization/control
eminent domain
paid work family leave
blue "laws"
happy hour legislation
assisted suicide
firework selling restrictions
asset forfeiture
campaign contribution statutes
cable TV regulation
raw milk selling
trans-fat food bans
Etc, etc, etc, etc

So all laws come from God and therefore must all be just and fair since none were created by man. Or are they created by the Devil? What is their true source?

(I disagree- all laws aside from laws of physics are created by man).

 

[Zippyjuan]

Enforcing law doesn't necessarily require a formal, government body.

How does one encourage compliance with laws? If you want me to obey one of your laws, how can you prevent me from violating it? A law without enforcement capabilities is a useless law. More of a "suggestion" really.

 

[Anti Federalist]

How does one encourage compliance with laws? If you want me to obey one of your laws, how can you prevent me from violating it? A law without enforcement capabilities is a useless law. More of a "suggestion" really.

Natural law.

Which is a "physical" law - Equal and opposite reaction.

Don't threaten to hurt me or my family, or I'll turn your head into a canoe.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Natural law.

Which is a "physical" law - Equal and opposite reaction.

Don't threaten to hurt me or my family, or I'll turn your head into a canoe.

That's nice. But I have one of these- can you still enforce your laws?

 

[tod evans]

These systemic problems in society can't be fixed by government because they are caused by government. You can't remove the law though without removing the government otherwise there will be tyranny.

Well yeah....

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

So all laws come from God and therefore must all be just and fair since none were created by man. Or are they created by the Devil? What is their true source?

(I disagree- all laws aside from laws of physics are created by man).

So if a group of men suddenly declared murder as alright, then you'd be okay with that?

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

That's nice. But I have one of these- can you still enforce your laws?

Yes. I have one too.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

How does one encourage compliance with laws? If you want me to obey one of your laws, how can you prevent me from violating it?

If you try to kill me, then I can pull a gun and try to stop you. Law of self defense. All animals have a built-in survival instinct.

 

[tod evans]

How does one encourage compliance with laws? If you want me to obey one of your laws, how can you prevent me from violating it? A law without enforcement capabilities is a useless law. More of a "suggestion" really.

When a community passes and enforces its own laws everything is grand...

When Fed-Gov wants to pass and enforce laws remotely everything is askew...Same for many states....

Laws and law enforcement must revert to local, directly influenced by the citizens, endeavors....And some, many even, will run afoul of this feel good everybody is equal BS that we have now....

Out here in the Ozarks we have very little in common with those in Ca., why should we try to enforce our laws and beliefs on the libs? Or why should they try to enforce theirs on us?

And this isn't even taking into account the city/country disparity...