Inflation Tax By Itself Is A Horrible Idea

[Wayne Hammond]

wayne you are a moron
I was refering to nathan based on experience but you don't listen to facts
whoever said 50-50 is spinning this.

one issue on the first screen that people don't understand

I tested this tonight at the grocery store and it was confirmed

AND YOU?

Oh, forgive me, I must be a moron as you say... I didn't understand that you gave it the "grocery store" test.

I'm done arguing this. Trever made the decision and that's that.

Good night.

.

 

[NewEnd]

right now, the sword of shanarra is only single edged... it only slices away at the conservative hold on the republicrat party..... it needs to be double edged, to slice away at the liberal side of the democran party.

It needs somethign abotu search and siezure, or the expensive empire created out of money printed out of thin air.

 

[rebelforacause]

wayne you a clueless follower

do you have any idea who is reading these posts?

Do you mr. naive?

Lets just say that they don't want you and the few others to talk about that issue

GET IT

didn't think so

those that read creature likely do.

now go back to school and never learn the things that matter ( wall street secrets,etc.)

 

[Goldwater Conservative]

"This December 16th American citizens will dump
millions of dollars into the Ron Paul presidential campaign to
protest the secret inflation tax that has robbed the middle class of its wealth and
the oppressive income tax that has funded a police state abroad and at home."

That's my edit anyway. Hits issues everyone can get behind, and ties the Bill of Rights Day in a bit.

 

[max]

right now, the sword of shanarra is only single edged... it only slices away at the conservative hold on the republicrat party..... it needs to be double edged, to slice away at the liberal side of the democran party.

It needs somethign abotu search and siezure, or the expensive empire created out of money printed out of thin air.

love the metaphor!

 

[jonathanwebb]

do you have any idea who is reading these posts?

Do you mr. naive?

Lets just say that they don't want you and the few others to talk about that issue

GET IT

didn't think so

those that read creature likely do.

now go back to school and never learn the things that matter ( wall street secrets,etc.)

Wow, you're pretty nasty, dude. My mother gave me some advice that I will pass on to you: Say No To Drugs. They don't mix too well with posting on forums.

Generally people who resort to name-calling (ie- calling people "moron" and "Mr. Naive") do so because they have run out of logical points to bring to the discussion.

 

[rebelforacause]

It's about getting results

They had already made up their mind as you can see and the friendly way didn't exactly get the outcome needed did it.

did you read the creature?

Do leaders question bad decisions?

since you have the logic on your side

 

[Alabama Supporter]

rebelforacause, I do not agree with Wayne on the topic, but name calling is unnecessary.

 

[rebelforacause]

ok we will just let inflation tax

to all new people who come to the first screen.

"The decision has been made, and these stupid polls show that it's basically 50-50 on this, and Trevor has made a decision in order to break the gridlock here.

Putting up post after post after post protesting Trevor's decision is just plain stupid and it's getting annoying."

the decider wins

 

[jonathanwebb]

They had already made up their mind as you can see and the friendly way didn't exactly get the outcome needed did it.

So you just decided to be nasty and attack people and hope to win friends and influence people that way?

did you read the creature?

Yeah, Griffin's my man - not sure he applies to this argument though.

Do leaders question bad decisions?

Yes, but good leaders don't resort to nasty name-calling, nor argue endlessly, railing against those with whom they disagree, well after a consensus has been reached. We are supposed to be on the same team here, are we not?

since you have the logic on your side


Yes, me and Mr. Spock - we be buds.

My answers in bold. Thank you.

 

[rebelforacause]

your point is valid and frustration did drive

my actions. The fact is that a consensus didn't include the majority and this thread is partial evidence of it.

Mark my words

Many will regret that it only mentioned inflation tax

The guys who where wrong will never show up to admit it after it's too late.

 

[rebelforacause]

I will let this speak for itself

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Poll Result so far for prefered Boston Tea Party theme:

Freedom/Independence 59 = 77.63%

Taxes / Inflation Tax 17 = 22.37%

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[max]

Mark my words

Many will regret that it only mentioned inflation tax

The guys who where wrong will never show up to admit it after it's too late.

yep...

there are plenty of egos in this movement...ironic given the fact that our beloved eader is the most humble man i've ever seen..

but ya know...these stubborn egotists will never admit they are wrong because in spite of this colossal blunder...we will still raise over 10 million and generate massive media coverage.....They will claim a huge success...

but what they fail to realize is there could have been an additional 10-20 + million that we'll never get because we mismarketed this thing

 

[justintempler]

What people are missing here is the connection to the Boston Tea Party which was a protest about an unfair tax.

You also have to remember this is an online fundraising effort and online users are more educated and have a better understanding of what record oil prices and the weakest dollar in ages mean. Ron Paul also talks about the printing of money to pay for the war. The advantage of talking about this is it's Ron Paul's issue. It's relevant and bringing it to the foreground makes the other candidates talk about Ron Paul's issues. Making Romney, Giuliani, McCain defend their positions forces them to debate Ron Paul as an equal instead of just some fringe candidate.

I'm sure this won't be the last money bomb. War and freedom can be used next time.

P.S. You could tie in inflation tax = taxation without representation which has a tie in to the Constitution, another Ron Paul issue.

 

[Energy]

In light of the release of eLIB3RTY's Tea Party 07 video, which elegantly covers
1. Save the Economy (a part of which was about printing money out of thin air, extravagant foreign policy)
2. Bring the Soldiers Home
3. Protect our Liberty (habeas corpus, National ID card)
4. Save our Country (tone down executive power, with a call to be part of the Revolution)

Couple ideas to broaden the message at teaparty07.com:

1. Position eLIB3RTY's Tea Party 07 video near the top.

or

2. Write some text summarizing the key points of that video.

 

[kimochinews]

Trevor and Nathaniel,

Don't back down. I think the inflation tax is worthy of standing alone. Design by committee has never worked -- make sure you stay true to what you both want the site to say.

We're all counting on you!

Kimochi

 

[hawkeyenick]

Trevor and Nathaniel,

Don't back down. I think the inflation tax is worthy of standing alone. Design by committee has never worked -- make sure you stay true to what you both want the site to say.

We're all counting on you!

Kimochi

Exactly, no symphony was ever written by a team...it was always the idea(s) of one or two individuals being executed by many that made them great.

 

[SeanEdwards]

The inflation numbers are cooked Wayne. They will not show much difference next month.

Yeah, but everybody buys groceries and gas, and they see the inflation in those prices with their own eyes.

 

[sroll2237]

The inflation tax is vitally important, BUT having a couple more issues that are also fundamental to Ron Paul's message (e.g. liberties, the war) will only help to sign up more people and that is the whole point. I believe that it would be naive to leave just one rather abscure issue when so many more people could be reached by simply adding one or two more issues.

Also to clear up the confusion about the poll. I believe that most people DO want the inflation tax to be on the site, but they also want a couple more main stream issues on there as well. If there was an option like "Do you want to keep the inflation tax and also include the war or loss of liberties?" I believe that option would win hands down.

REMEMBER, the only point to this site is to raise as much money as possible and this goal will be better achieved if the base that this site appeals to is broadened by including one or two more issues.

 

[Energy]

The inflation tax is vitally important, BUT having a couple more issues that are also fundamental to Ron Paul's message (e.g. liberties, the war) will only help to sign up more people and that is the whole point. I believe that it would be naive to leave just one rather abscure issue when so many more people could be reached by simply adding one or two more issues.

Also to clear up the confusion about the poll. I believe that most people DO want the inflation tax to be on the site, but they also want a couple more main stream issues on there as well. If there was an option like "Do you want to keep the inflation tax and also include the war or loss of liberties?" I believe that option would win hands down.

REMEMBER, the only point to this site is to raise as much money as possible and this goal will be better achieved if the base that this site appeals to is broadened by including one or two more issues.

I admit the site can take cues from marketers and copywriters to craft its message for maximum, record-shattering effectiveness. IMO, currently, it's mostly appealing to RP supporters, and a TON of opportunity is just sitting there to hit the nerves of mainstream voters (by mixing in other issues/concerns). But whether or not these ideas get incorporated into teaparty07.com, we can't afford to wait and fret over it. We need to take act NOW as the clock ticks. So...

If you're not satisfied with the text at www.teaparty07.com, do this: When promoting it, presell it with the message you want to get across, get them pumped and excited, and then direct people to the site. Couple ideas:

1. Just send people to eLIB3RTY's Tea Party video first: http://youtube.com/watch?v=DKZmIzEMUN8

That video addresses mainstream points: save economy (mentions printing money out of thin air debasing the dollar), bring brave soldiers home, save liberties, temper executive power, save country. That video IS at teaparty07.com, but it's a couple pages down so people will see the lonely 'inflation tax' first.

2. Create a webpage that presells and speaks to a target audience or direct people to such a webpage. Example: http://www.KickApathy.com