"Ineligible" - Cruz' former Harvard Law professor

[Scott_in_PA]

And again- simply filing for the draft registration is further proof of US citizenship since foreigners are exempt from it. If he "knew he was Canadian" he didn't have to do it.

He didn't register himself.

From the selective serervice response letter.

Mr Cruz was registered from a Pell grant application form from the US Dept. of Education.

He is a citizen but not a NBC.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Wrong (again). Canadians and other aliens (males 18-26?) file for a Selective Service Registration if they are residing in the US, including Houston like Cruz.

Obama's form used a 9 digit SS #, Cruz using a 10-digit Canadian number on the USA form is fine - it shows he knew he was Canadian in 1989 though.

Read the letter. The number you refer to is his Selective Service Number. Not some Canadian number. It does not indicate he "knew he was Canadian in 1989". If he was Canadian there was no need to register with Selective Service.

It is funny trying to use a document only used by US citizens to try to prove somebody is not a US citizen.

 

[Zippyjuan]

He didn't register himself.

From the selective serervice response letter.



He is a citizen but not a NBC.

Legal definition of a Natural Born Citizen according to US Law or the Constitution since that is what matters?

 

[Jan2017]

Legal definition of a Natural Born Citizen according to US Law or the Constitution since that is what matters?

In 1789 James Madison explained that . . . "In the United States we determined it by place of birth not parentage"

 

[Jan2017]

If he was Canadian there was no need to register with Selective Service.

Wrong

 

[Jan2017]

Selective Service Registration is for males residing here . . . an alien that got naturalized to dual citizenship at birth like Cruz
had to register . . . but I guess he never did.



Men, age 18 through 25, living in the United States

. . . if you do not have a social security number, or if you are an immigrant male (documented or undocumented) age 18 through 25, please complete the fillable registration form here.
https://www.sss.gov/Home/Registration
.

 

[Jan2017]

He didn't register himself.

From the selective serervice response letter.

Mr Cruz was registered from a Pell grant application form from the US Dept. of Education.

.

Let's see how Ted filled out the Pell Grant Form . . . but it is interesting he back-doored even that legal requirement as a dual citizen.

 

[fedupinmo]

Okay, let's say it's true and Cruz is ineligible. Why did the GOP apparatus not check this out before investing time and money into his campaign? (debate time, etc)

If Cruz is declared eligible because of the "citizenship at birth" theory, Congress gets the power to declare new classes of citizen eligible for the presidency... citizenship at birth is granted by Congress at 8 USC 1401, and a quick check of section (f) tells you how bad that currently is... just think how a Democrat Congress would react having that kind of power... I am not convinced the Republicans don't want the same thing, either...
However, that could just be a circular lawyer jerk kind of thing going on...

 

[fedupinmo]

Selective Service Registration is for males residing here . . . an alien that got naturalized to dual citizenship at birth like Cruz
had to register . . . but I guess he never did.



Men, age 18 through 25, living in the United States

. . . if you do not have a social security number, or if you are an immigrant male (documented or undocumented) age 18 through 25, please complete the fillable registration form here.
https://www.sss.gov/Home/Registration
.

Bellei registered for the draft, and he never lived in the US...

 

[fedupinmo]

On top of that...he ran against Paul (whom he claims to be of the same fabric as).....how do you know Ted despises the Liberty Movement that elected him? Look no further than his candidacy.

You know... theory on the way home thing here...
Our greatest problem is the issue of STANDING. Cruz' answer to the NH suits contained 16 pages declaring that we the little people couldn't challenge his citizenship... I wonder if a Rand Paul supporter couldn't show loss of ability to vote for a natural born conservative citizen candidate due to Cruz being illegitimately in the race, coupled with an insistance that one brings the case as a member of "we the people"?

 

[Zippyjuan]

In 1789 James Madison explained that . . . "In the United States we determined it by place of birth not parentage"

Is that a law or in the Contsitution? It is an argument- not a legal fact.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Selective Service Registration is for males residing here . . . an alien that got naturalized to dual citizenship at birth like Cruz
had to register . . . but I guess he never did.



Men, age 18 through 25, living in the United States

. . . if you do not have a social security number, or if you are an immigrant male (documented or undocumented) age 18 through 25, please complete the fillable registration form here.
https://www.sss.gov/Home/Registration
.

Thank you for the corrected information. I was wrong on that. The form is still zero proof he lacked US citizenship at birth.

 

[Jan2017]

Bellei registered for the draft, and he never lived in the US...

Thanks.

In 1922, a case was reported of a Norwegian who came to the USA, wanted to be a citizen to fight against the Germans with the USA.

He registered for the US military and was assigned class A1 . . .
He did everything imaginable to become a citizen, and eventually did in 1922, but he had only come to the US in 1917 to register to fight Germany.
In re: Application of Siem 284 F. 868 (District Court Montana 1922)

 

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

In 1789 James Madison explained that . . . "In the United States we determined it by place of birth not parentage"

Jan, I don't doubt you...you seem to always have a source on hand. Could you post the source for Madison saying that? I think it would be a fascinating read (as was John Jays) to get their perspective on this.

 

[Zippyjuan]

In 1789 James Madison explained that . . . "In the United States we determined it by place of birth not parentage"

Another Madison quote- May 22, 1789: http://www.constitution.org/abus/pres_elig.htm

It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.

He was arguing for citizenship for a person in South Carolina.

It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other. Mr. Smith founds his claim upon his birthright; his ancestors were among the first settlers of that colony.

Mr. Smith was born in Britain.

The following year, Congress passed the Naturalization Act of 1790 which said:

"children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens.",

(though the act only covered "free white persons of good character")

 

[Jan2017]

Thank you for the corrected information. I was wrong on that. The form is still zero proof he lacked US citizenship at birth.

Never said it was any proof of that or any proof needed of that . . . he was naturalized as you learned from the statutes explained in detail in the Ramos deportation.
Cruz completed his statutory requirements to be naturalized as a US dual citizen in 1980, and he got naturalized back to at birth.

Although we really do not know what date the alien child was brought to the United States by the mom, yet, as that is when the residence of the alien child started.

Dad moved to Houston while mom Eleanor stayed behind in Canada . . . presumable the 4 year old stayed in Canada then with her.

But his SS-4 Social Security Number Application, the Pell Grant application, an (apparently non-existent) Selective Service registration application,
a US Passport and US passport application are going to show if he is lying though.

 

[Jan2017]

Another Madison quote: http://www.constitution.org/abus/pres_elig.htm

Yes, the South Carolina election to put a natural born South Carolina citizen in the legislature that someone questioned his citizenship . . .
place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States James Madison 1789

If it is said, that very inconvenient circumstances would result from this principle, that it would constitute all those persons who are natives of America, but who took part against the revolution, citizens of the United States, I would beg leave to observe, that we are deciding a question of right . . .
and must therefore pay a proper attention to this principle.

Then, with respect to those natives who were minors at the revolution, and whose case is analogous to Mr. Smith's, if we are bound by the precedent of such a decision as we are about to make, and it is declared, that they owe a primary allegiance to this country,

So far as we can judge by the laws of Carolina, and the practice and decision of that state, the principles I have adduced are supported; and I must own that I feel myself at liberty to decide, that Mr. Smith was a citizen at the declaration of independence, a citizen at the time of his election, and consequently entitled to a seat in this legislature.

[SIZE=-1]22 May 1789[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Papers 12:179--82
[/SIZE]The Papers of James Madison. Edited by William T. Hutchinson et al. Chicago and London: University of Chicago Press, 1962--77 (vols. 1--10);
Charlottesville: University Press of Virginia, 1977--(vols.

 

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

https://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/natural-born-quotes-2/

Here is a huge list of quotes on the matter, many favoring Jan (we i 90% agree with)..here is my issue with the Jans idea.

It allows foreigners to have kids here, and have them be natural citizens.

It disallows Americans to have kids elsewhere and have them be natural citizens.

In 99% of the cases, an American being born in America, we agree. It's that one percent, those people born while their parents are overseas (for whatever reason) or the migrant workers or illegal immigrants who come here to give birth to their children.

In those cases, I have to stand by American Blood=American Child...and really, that covers American Blood on American Soil = American Child

It doesn't hurt anything, and it seemingly solves everything.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Never said it was any proof of that or any proof needed of that . . . he was naturalized as you learned from the statutes explained in detail in the Ramos deportation.
Cruz completed his statutory requirements to be naturalized as a US dual citizen in 1980, and he got naturalized back to at birth.

Although we really do not know what date the alien child was brought to the United States by the mom, yet, as that is when the residence of the alien child started.

Dad moved to Houston while mom Eleanor stayed behind in Canada . . . presumable the 4 year old stayed in Canada then with her.

But his SS-4 Social Security Number Application, the Pell Grant application, an (apparently non-existent) Selective Service application,
a US Passport and US passport application are going to show if he is lying though.

In 1974, his father left the family and moved to Texas.[18] Later that same year, his parents reconciled and relocated to Houston.[8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz

Cruz completed his statutory requirements to be naturalized as a US dual citizen in 1980, and he got naturalized back to at birth.

Not how it works. Citizenship was granted at birth. If he failed to live in the US a certain amount of time it could be revoked- it is not "retroactively" granted.

 

[Jan2017]

Mr. Smith was born in Britain.

The following year, Congress passed the Naturalization Act of 1790 which said:

The naturalization act that Ted relies on - it seems entirely - of course corrected that language and definition for the naturalization act amended in 1795.

The 1789 quotes in Madison's Papers and Jay's letter are defining of the natural born citizen used and voted on for the President Eligibility Clause.

Like Madison also said somewhere . . . "we naturalize aliens, we don't naturalize US Citizens.