Indiana Supreme Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

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This is completely insane.

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In a 3-2 decision, Justice Steven David writing for the court said if
a police officer wants to enter a home for any reason or no reason at
all, a homeowner cannot do anything to block the officer's entry.

"We believe ... a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a
home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth
Amendment jurisprudence," David said. "We also find that allowing
resistance unnecessarily escalates the level of violence and
therefore the risk of injuries to all parties involved without
preventing the arrest."

http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/...cle_ec169697-a19e-525f-a532-81b3df229697.html
 
Omfg! My mind just shut off when I read this, I can't even think of something to say. Really?! This needs to be spread everywhere.

Omg.. I'm just in shock at the in your face nature of this.
 
Money quote is line one of the story:

"Overturning a common law dating back to the English Magna Carta of 1215, the Indiana Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Hoosiers have no right to resist unlawful police entry into their homes."

Prepare to defend yourself!
 
Money quote is line one of the story:

"Overturning a common law dating back to the English Magna Carta of 1215, the Indiana Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Hoosiers have no right to resist unlawful police entry into their homes."

Prepare to defend yourself!
Prepare to defend yourself is right !!
 
I live in Indiana.

Does anyone have the legal knowledge of whether it's possible to recall an Indiana Supreme Court justice??
 
You have no right to defend yourself if the cops break into your house unlawfully

In Indiana, at least. :eek:
http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/...cle_ec169697-a19e-525f-a532-81b3df229697.html
INDIANAPOLIS | Overturning a common law dating back to the English Magna Carta of 1215, the Indiana Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Hoosiers have no right to resist unlawful police entry into their homes.
In a 3-2 decision, Justice Steven David writing for the court said if a police officer wants to enter a home for any reason or no reason at all, a homeowner cannot do anything to block the officer's entry.
"We believe ... a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence," David said. "We also find that allowing resistance unnecessarily escalates the level of violence and therefore the risk of injuries to all parties involved without preventing the arrest."
David said a person arrested following an unlawful entry by police still can be released on bail and has plenty of opportunities to protest the illegal entry through the court system.
The court's decision stems from a Vanderburgh County case in which police were called to investigate a husband and wife arguing outside their apartment.
When the couple went back inside their apartment, the husband told police they were not needed and blocked the doorway so they could not enter. When an officer entered anyway, the husband shoved the officer against a wall. A second officer then used a stun gun on the husband and arrested him.
Professor Ivan Bodensteiner, of Valparaiso University School of Law, said the court's decision is consistent with the idea of preventing violence.
"It's not surprising that they would say there's no right to beat the hell out of the officer," Bodensteiner said. "(The court is saying) we would rather opt on the side of saying if the police act wrongfully in entering your house your remedy is under law, to bring a civil action against the officer."
Justice Robert Rucker, a Gary native, and Justice Brent Dickson, a Hobart native, dissented from the ruling, saying the court's decision runs afoul of the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
"In my view the majority sweeps with far too broad a brush by essentially telling Indiana citizens that government agents may now enter their homes illegally -- that is, without the necessity of a warrant, consent or exigent circumstances," Rucker said. "I disagree."
Rucker and Dickson suggested if the court had limited its permission for police entry to domestic violence situations they would have supported the ruling.
But Dickson said, "The wholesale abrogation of the historic right of a person to reasonably resist unlawful police entry into his dwelling is unwarranted and unnecessarily broad."
This is the second major Indiana Supreme Court ruling this week involving police entry into a home.
On Tuesday, the court said police serving a warrant may enter a home without knocking if officers decide circumstances justify it. Prior to that ruling, police serving a warrant would have to obtain a judge's permission to enter without knocking.
 
I have that right. I granted it to myself, and if needed, I will use it at my discretion. I wouldn't expect to survive such an encounter once I was surrounded with nowhere to escape. But survival is vastly overrated if the choice is between dying with dignity or living on your knees. I fully expect to die someday regardless, and it could easily be from a cause much slower and more painful than gunshots.

BTW, this all sounds like empty bravado, but it's not like that at all. I'm just as afraid of death as anyone else. It's just possible to be more afraid of letting the enemies of one's freedom and dignity have the last laugh with impunity.
 
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"We believe ... a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence," David said.

... modern (?!) 4th amendment jurisprudence?
... and public policy (??!!) ...?

This mealy-mouthed BS is what "justice" amounts to these days.

"We also find that allowing resistance unnecessarily escalates the level of violence and therefore the risk of injuries to all parties involved without preventing the arrest."
As opposed to what? Giving trigger-happy goons with badges (or para-militarized squads of said goons) free reign to invade private property, safe in the knowledge that goon-lovers like David will obviously never hold them accountable for their actions?

David said a person arrested following an unlawful entry by police still can be released on bail and has plenty of opportunities to protest the illegal entry through the court system.
IOW, were supposed to meekly shut up, submit & comply while counting on cops, prosecutors and "justices" like Steven David to do the right thing. What a friggin' joke!

Professor Ivan Bodensteiner, of Valparaiso University School of Law, said the court's decision is consistent with the idea of preventing violence. "It's not surprising that they would say there's no right to beat the hell out of the officer," Bodensteiner said. "(The court is saying) we would rather opt on the side of saying if the police act wrongfully in entering your house your remedy is under law, to bring a civil action against the officer."
So, if you "beat the hell out of [an] officer" (i.e. if you "shove [an] officer against a wall"), and the officer shoots (or tasers) you dead - don't worry! You can always sue!

Justice Robert Rucker, a Gary native, and Justice Brent Dickson, a Hobart native, dissented from the ruling, saying the court's decision runs afoul of the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
Robert! Brent! Haven't you heard? Modern 4th amendment jurisprudence sez it's OK! Didn't you get Steven's memo? Besides, public policy favors it! That's a double-whammy that your quaint & misguided reliance on the clear letter & spirit of the U.S. Constitution just can't hold up against! Get with the program, guys!

:mad::mad::mad:
 
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I have that right. I granted it to myself, and if needed, I will use it at my discretion. I wouldn't expect to survive such an encounter once I was surrounded with nowhere to escape. But survival is vastly overrated if the choice is between dying with dignity or living on your knees. I fully expect to die someday regardless, and it could easily be from a cause much slower and more painful than gunshots.

BTW, this all sounds like empty bravado, but it's not like that at all. I'm just as afraid of death as anyone else. It's just possible to be more afraid of letting the enemies of one's freedom and dignity have the last laugh with impunity.

+rep
 
I live in Vanderburgh county...I don't recall ever hearing about this.

Looks like it's time to move.
 
From the court's decision:

"We believe ... a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a
home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth
Amendment jurisprudence," David said. "We also find that allowing
resistance unnecessarily escalates the level of violence and
therefore the risk of injuries to all parties involved without
preventing the arrest."

That's the money quote right there.

No matter what you do, no matter how wrong the state's enforcement arm is, the arrest will happen, come hell or high water.

They will call in as many troops, sharpshooters, tanks, APCs, SWAT or whatever other weapons of mass destruction the feds have furnished your local cop shop with, as needed to light your ass up: they will kill everybody in sight if it comes down to it.

Somebody's going to jail, or the morgue, period, justice, keeping the peace, serving the public, following the law all be fucked and damned straight to hell.

This is nothing short of a declaration of total war against us, the American people.
 
From the court's decision:



That's the money quote right there.

No matter what you do, no matter how wrong the state's enforcement arm is, the arrest will happen, come hell or high water.

They will call in as many troops, sharpshooters, tanks, APCs, SWAT or whatever other weapons of mass destruction the feds have furnished your local cop shop with, as needed to light your ass up: they will kill everybody in sight if it comes down to it.

Somebody's going to jail, or the morgue, period, justice, keeping the peace, serving the public, following the law all be fucked and damned straight to hell.

This is nothing short of a declaration of total war against us, the American people.

qft. Sadly, when I try to explain this to most people, they just ignore it. "it's only a few bad cops" they say (or something like that) :( It's so bizarre to me because it's not a big secret-the police state violence makes headlines and newscasts all the fucking time.
 
And just yesterday I was laughing at some conspiracy theorist who was going on and on about a police state. Life is quite ironic that way.
 
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This should be a 'sticky'.I'm not American but this is truelly bizarre and frightening.
 
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