Indiana: local GOP chairman in local newspaper insults Ron Paul and his delegate hopefuls

[rockerrockstar]

I saw Jenny 1903 posted this else where. It was not getting much attention. I think it would be better in Grassroots.

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Indiana: local GOP chairman in local newspaper insults Ron Paul and his delegate hopefuls
The first is an article in our local newspaper in Howard County, Indiana. New people (including me) that want to be delegates were denied, possibly unfairly, maybe more in my case. This chairman felt the need to make Ron Paul's call for delegates seem like a shady act. He put this in the paper before a "neutral" election board ruled against us. I do not have the money or resources to pursue this otherwise, which might be not such a strong case. So instead I wrote a counter article. Please spread this around as I know this is not an isolated incident. Thank you."-Jennys1903 *

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The initial article:http://kokomotribune.com/local/x1875167717/Party-opposes-delegates

Jennys1903 *
response:https://acrobat.com/#d=Xp3Iqoi02bcRO2nTIaKvag

 

[parocks]

Fix your link to the kokomo tribune article. Sounds bad.

 

[SneakyFrenchSpy]

First link does not work

 

[rockerrockstar]

I fixed the link too.

Here is the original article

"Party opposes delegates
Ron Paul campaign using national strategy to get votes at convention.

By Ken de la Bastide
Tribune enterprise editor

Kokomo — Republican Party organizations across Indiana are filing challenges to keep Ron Paul delegates from taking over the party’s state convention in June.

The Howard County Republican Party is challenging six people who filed to become delegates at the state convention because they have not received a waiver to appear on the May 8 primary ballot.

The six people are part of a national strategy put in place by the presidential campaign of Ron Paul. The campaign’s goal is to get people elected as delegates to state conventions and then gain control of votes at the national convention, all in the interest of moving Paul to the head of the field of GOP candidates.

“We challenged six people who didn’t comply with the rules,” said Craig Dunn, Howard County GOP chairman.

According to Dunn, the individuals did not have the appropriate paperwork, which includes a waiver, and also have not voted in the Republican Party primary.

“They have never voted,” he said. “They didn’t file with their declaration of candidacy, the waiver form that must be signed by the chairman.”

During a meeting of the Howard County Election Board on Thursday, the six challenged candidates argued Indiana law presumes a party affiliation at the time the candidacy papers are filed, not in a primary election.

Dunn said state law clearly shows there is a difference between running for an elective and party office.

“State law defaults to party rules,” he said. “They have never voted in a Republican Party primary.”

The Howard County Election Board is expected to make a decision this week.

Brett Curnutt, Tipton County GOP chairman, filed four challenges. He said two people didn’t receive a necessary waiver and one voted in the last Democrat Party primary.

“I’m confident these are Ron Paul people,” Curnutt, “they were four years ago. I’m not sure what their motive are. I expect there is some plan, there was four years ago.”

Curnutt said there is some ploy to make Paul look better at the national convention in June than he does in February.

Pete Seat, communications director for the Indiana Republican Party, said information on the Daily Paul website discusses convention delegates. He said there have been challenges around the state.

“Some of the challenges are based on party rules and procedures,” he said.

Dunn said the state convention is important because it sets party rules and selects candidates for statewide office. In 2012 the convention delegates will select a lieutenant governor candidate.

“Officially I don’t know anything about these people,” he said.

After a check of the Ron Paul campaign website, the convention delegate strategy was used in 2008 and the plan is to use it again in 2012 in an attempt to capture the Republican Party’s presidential nomination.

Each county is charged a fee by the state party for each delegate at the state convention, which each delegate is expected to pay. Both Dunn and Curnutt said in 2008 Paul delegates didn’t pay the fee, which cost the local party organization money.

“Four years ago I didn’t challenge any delegates,” Dunn said.

• Ken de la Bastide is the Kokomo Tribune enterprise editor. He can be reached at 765-454-8580 or via e-mail at ken.delabastide@ kokomotribune.com

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[Tyler_Durden]

"Pete Seat, communications director for the Indiana Republican Party, said information on the Daily Paul website discusses convention delegates."

Well, they're definitely monitoring our activities........Hi, GOP. Accept us. We're not leaving. We're going to continue to grow. The Tea Party was hijacked and co-opted. The Paul Party won't be......

 

[Barrex]

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[libertylastchance]

The only ones getting past the gatekeepers are the one's who are not exposing themselves.

 

[maskander]

well, I guess I'm not voting now

 

[A. Havnes]

The only ones getting past the gatekeepers are the one's who are not exposing themselves.

Yeah. Unfortunately, at my convention we were forced to stand up in front of everyone say who we were voting for, and "Anyone but Obama," didn't count. We were also only given two minutes of speaking time to explain why we were voting for said candidate. The guy running the thing said that it was so people could see, "Who the real conservatives are."

Anyway, it isn't over until it's over. I'm still working with those who were elected as delegates to convince them to vote for Ron Paul if it comes down to it. Needless to say, what with the way Santorum has been burying himself, and with his dirty record to boot, I'm having an easier time than I thought.

 

[bobburn]

If you want to be a delegate, you should probably fill out all the forms so they can't challenge you.

 

[Trigonx]

If you want to be a delegate, you should probably fill out all the forms so they can't challenge you.

this seems to be the case of a gop chairman trying to ignore the law to get his way. Please read the response(link in the OP) to this BS move for more information about the rules and law.

 

[SludgeFactory]

Holy crap that was a well worded response...

 

[Captain Shays]

You did a GREAT job


BRAVO

 

[rockerrockstar]

"State law defaults to party rules,” he said. “They have never voted in a Republican Party primary.”

The Howard County Election Board is expected to make a decision this week.

"Brett Curnutt, Tipton County GOP chairman, filed four challenges. He said two people didn’t receive a necessary waiver and one voted in the last Democrat Party primary.

“I’m confident these are Ron Paul people,” Curnutt, “they were four years ago. I’m not sure what their motive are. I expect there is some plan, there was four years ago."


If you voted for Ron Paul in 2008 then you should be considered a republican. You should be viable as a delegate for the GOP his running as a Republican.

 

[rockerrockstar]

Check out the 15 comments from the article on the http://kokomotribune.com I pasted them below

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15 comments

Jeffrey Dillman
Also, if the party has such a problem with delegates being Ron Paul supporters, then maybe they should ask why no other candidates have supporters that are willing to get involved with the party.
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires [of liberty] in people's minds."
Samuel Adams
Reply · 21 · Like · Follow Post · February 27 at 9:07pm

Mary Anne Smith Hutchinson
Ron Paul is a republican after all. If the republican party wants to win the white house they better let his people in. They won't beat Obama without the Ron Paul people.
Reply · 14 · Like · Follow Post · February 27 at 2:24pm

Brad Hyatt · Project Manager at Brew-Crew Restoration
It is hilarious to watch the Republican leadership put on display their desire to exclude people from the party. When they lose the Presidential election and the party is in complete shambles from the blowback we Libertarians will have our arms wide open to receive the liberty minded supporters of Ron Paul.
Reply · 13 · Like · Follow Post · February 27 at 5:56pm

Thaddeus S. Kaczor Jr. · Top Commenter · Specs Howard School
Great strategy, Indiana GOP! If you alienate the people joining your party, how are you going to tick off the electorate at large and lose any chance of victory in November? Google the 'Whig Party'. Strongest party in America for 20 years, and they 'elited' themselves out of existence in ONE election cycle! Is the GOP the 'WHig Party' of the 21st Century? Sure looks like Party leadership is trying hard for that status!
Reply · 11 · Like · Follow Post · February 27 at 11:39pm

Robert Rogers · Top Commenter
First of all, I really love hearing a good conspiracy theory.

Personally, I would speculate that, Rick Santorum, is somehow behind it all.

I also think that it is kind of strange how this article completely omits the names of these six potential delegates, let alone to present their side of the story.

What this does reveal though, is how the system is flawed and can be influenced by party elitists who tend to rule with an iron fist.

So these people didn't have a waiver - signed by the Party Chairman? So, let me get this straight, you have to bow down and get the approval of the Kommisar...err...Party Chairman to become a delegate?

Also, they supposedly had not previously voted in a Republican Primary? Could these be first time voters who just turned 18 and have never previously met the legal age requirements to vote?

Let us not overlook the fact that it is not as though the other candidates aren't attempting to garner the same influence. So how can anyone not view this as anything else than a direct attack on Ron Paul?
Reply · 8 · Like · Follow Post · February 28 at 11:05am

Jeffrey Dillman
I find it funy that the Republican Party made this rule to exclude 'dems' from becoming delegates, when Indiana has open primaries! All anyone has to do is choose to vote Republican in a primary, whether they are one or not, and then they are able to run as a delegate. This is really just a way for the party to keep unwanted people from becoming delegates, it doesn't really have anything to do with qualifications of candidates. I say if someone wants to become a delegate, let the people decide who is best suited, not some arbitrary rule that is selectively enforced at the party's whim.
Reply · 6 · Like · Follow Post · February 27 at 8:40pm

Gerald Martinez · Top Commenter
It is important to be active in the GOP for local candidates and not just Ron Paul. The people that are being challenged also need to know that they can also work to replace the GOP leadership in IN as the IN leadership are apparently corrupt and un-American.
Reply · 5 · Like · Follow Post · February 28 at 6:17am

N.h. Tea · Top Commenter
All I can say is, if the GOP knew they were Paul supporters in 2008, then they MUST have voted in a primary before... what a lame excuse!
Reply · 5 · Like · Follow Post · February 28 at 8:07am

Tioga County for Ron Paul
And the GOP wonders why there's no energy or youth involved. You are all fools if you think you can beat the Dems without Paul's supporters. And I guarantee you with these types of comments from party insiders when you come crying to us about loyalty to the GOP our answer will be a resounding no.
Reply · 4 · Like · Follow Post · March 1 at 11:30pm

Daniel Rawls
You repupuklacans are at it again, it looks like the establishment repuklacans don`t really care who wins in November because they are really all about raising money so what ever they think will raise them the most money is which way they will go. Look I know there are a lot of good people in the R party but the folks that are running this establishment money machine are neocon/big government dirt bags who think that politics is a team sport REALLY. Look any of you that are really wanting to bring us back to a small constitutional goverment come join us in the Liberty/Ron Paul movement and lets move the repuklacan party back to the Republican party and lets boot these big government dirtbags back into the hole they crawled out of.
In Liberty Dan Ron Paul 2012.
Reply · 4 · Like · Follow Post · February 28 at 8:25am

Greg Bays · Subscribe · Top Commenter
I guess you must OWN the GOP in Indiana? and by own, I mean like a mob boss 'owns' a territory. And there is no way a bunch of young punks are going to come in and take away your power by VOTING and using the process created to involve them! Shame.
Reply · 3 · Like · Follow Post · 12 hours ago

Travis Bosdell
Funny how Indiana bends over backwards when the pre-selected fruntrunner Santorum fails to even get on their ballot. What do they do? Change the rules to insure he can get on.

We see through this GOP. We know that you are part of the same corrupt system that includes the Dems, MSM, et el....no difference.

You have a choice, realy, lead, follow, or watch out because we are trying for a Peacefull Revolution and when you make a peacefull Revolution impossible the blowback is unavoidably NOT....And we ALL have backyards.
Reply · 3 · Like · Follow Post · February 28 at 6:10am

Rex Beard
Isn't Ron Paul a Republican? Why are they only kicking his people out?
Reply · 3 · Like · Follow Post · February 29 at 5:08pm

John Smith · Timbu, Nicosia, Cyprus
LULZ from the Republican GOP chairman from Tipton > "Those evil Ron Paul rebelling against our perfect political system by trying to affect the GOP convention in June" That's my own interpretation .
Reply · 3 · Like · Follow Post · February 27 at 1:20pm

Jennifer Setty
Here's in some insight from me, one of the six people unfairly attacked by Craig Dunn. https://acrobat.com/#d=Xp3Iqoi02bcRO2nTIaKvag

 

[jhk07]

From the Indiana GOP rule book.......................


Rule 9-7. (a) No person shall be eligible for election at the primary election to the office
of State Convention Delegate unless the individual:
(1) is a qualified elector of the precinct,
(2) is a member in good standing in the Republican Party, and
(3) cast a Republican Party ballot at the individual’s most recent
primary election


4) An individual who has not previously voted in a Primary election must
have an authorization form signed by the county chairman and the
candidate for state delegate saying the individual pledges full support to
the Republican Party and the candidates of the Republican party. This
form (IRSC/CA-1) must be attached to the CAN-37 when the candidate
files his/her declaration with the county clerk. A copy of the form
(IRSC/CA-1) must also be filed with the delegate form sent to the State
Committee.



I looked for the IRSC/CA-1 till about the last day to file for delegate. The form was nowhere...... and no one could produce one. That form is NOW conveniently located on the Indiana GOP webpage in plain site for all to see. I have a 6 pack that says they typed up the draft for the IRSC/CA-1 AFTER the deadline to file to be a delegate. Assholes.


For what it is worth..... if you Vote May 8th, Republican of course, at that point in time you have voted in the last PRIMARY....... Soooo, if there are spots open or available............... You can get them.


Don't smack me for any inaccuracies.........

 

[PolicyReader]

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[erowe1]

Why have you never voted in a Republican primary before? What other proof do you have that you are a Republican? Are you a dues paying member of your county party? If not, why not?

 

[PolicyReader]

Why have you never voted in a Republican primary before? What other proof do you have that you are a Republican? Are you a dues paying member of your county party? If not, why not?

Not that it solves the problem but I know plenty of people who haven't voted simply because none of the candidates where ever Representative of them and even more who just never bother to vote in the primaries at all.

The simple fact is (and again I know this doesn't resolve the OPs situation) if the GOP are trying to grow the party these limitations are counterproductive because they automatically force new voters into an underclass. And yes you could gain some more legitimacy locally by pay into the local party coffers but "pay-to-play" isn't the party process as advertised.

 

[PolicyReader]

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