in tax debate, need help.

[ionlyknowy]

The code has been made unnecessarily complex and distorted in order to hide the truth.

And nothing in your post refuted anything in my last post. You are incapable of having an honest debate.

How's Lompoc treating you?

 

[Truth-Bringer]

How's Lompoc treating you?

How's Fallacy Central? Your training there still going well?

 

[Truth-Bringer]

what seems to be happening is that the tax protest movement is discovering the wonderful world of law and courts.

Those who do it right, and discover the truth, are immune to prosecution. IMF Decoder has taken over 20,000 people through its program of using Freedom of Information Act requests to decode their IMF files. No one has ever been indicted. Why? Because the government could not conceal the evidence of the Administrative Remedies being Exhausted in such a case.

Again:

"The overwhelming majority of taxpayers appear to be perfectly willing to face serious adverse action without bothering to make any significant effort to learn what the agency knows about them or how they came to be in that situation. In fact, even subjects of major criminal investigation seldom bother to make such inquiries, apparently being willing to face trial and risk imprisonment without writing a simple letter which could produce information which could literally save their freedom.”

- Marcus Farbenblum, Chief of the Freedom of Information Branch, IRS National Office, from his book, “The I.R.S. and the Freedom of Information and Privacy Act of 1974,” regarding FOIA requests

 

[Anti Federalist]

Ionlyknow wrote:

Think about the guy that watches Freedom to fascism and thinks "oh wow, i'm not paying taxes anymore, cause that guy won his case in the movie" "I will just say, show me the law, and when they cant, I win"... These same people stop paying their taxes without consulting a lawyer or any other piece of information except for the movie.

Then the IRS comes calling one day, and by then it is too late.

I doubt that anybody of financial substance would quit filing and complying with IRS based on watching one dvd.

I know a few, some of them worth quite a bit of money. They are well aware of the fact that, if and when it comes to court, they'll probably lose. But their motivation lies elsewhere, not in hoping or pressing for a fair day in court, but rather resistance to an unjust law and bureaucracy as a matter of principle.

 

[ionlyknowy]

Ionlyknow wrote:



I doubt that anybody of financial substance would quit filing and complying with IRS based on watching one dvd.

I know a few, some of them worth quite a bit of money. They are well aware of the fact that, if and when it comes to court, they'll probably lose. But their motivation lies elsewhere, not in hoping or pressing for a fair day in court, but rather resistance to an unjust law and bureaucracy as a matter of principle.

Well, that leaves about a substantial amount of people that probably would fall prey to it...

Most people do not make a lot of money. And the average IQ is 100. Just look at this election cycle, if someone can be persuaded by MSM to vote for someone, then I think that those same people could be convinced to stop paying their income tax by watching one DVD.

 

[ionlyknowy]

How's Fallacy Central? Your training there still going well?

LOL

 

[ionlyknowy]

How's Fallacy Central? Your training there still going well?

How's "I believe everything Alex Jones says" going? 17/8/84?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Well, that leaves about a substantial amount of people that probably would fall prey to it...

Most people do not make a lot of money. And the average IQ is 100. Just look at this election cycle, if someone can be persuaded by MSM to vote for someone, then I think that those same people could be convinced to stop paying their income tax by watching one DVD.

Jeez, if it was only that easy, watching one dvd, we would have wrapped this thing up.

But really, is that a bad thing, hundreds, thousands, perhaps millions defying the IRS, swamping the courts and clogging the system with lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit until something has to be changed?

Aside from the personal risk to those involved, substantial no doubt, what's the downside here?

 

[ionlyknowy]

Jeez, if it was only that easy, watching one dvd, we would have wrapped this thing up.

But really, is that a bad thing, hundreds, thousands, perhaps millions defying the IRS, swamping the courts and clogging the system with lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit until something has to be changed?

Aside from the personal risk to those involved, substantial no doubt, what's the downside here?

Even if only 10 people watched the DVD and stopped paying taxes and thereby ruined their lives, I would be against it.

I suspect that many but not most have or will stop paying their taxes after watching the video.

No one likes the income tax. We all want more money in our pockets, BUT the courts are never going to rule in favor of abolishing the income tax. Just look at all of the tax protester arguments in this thread that turned out badly for the individual involved. There are probably hundreds maybe even thousands more.

what is going to happen, and it already has started happening, is the people involved in these cases i.e. judges, lawyers, IRS people. Are going to develop ways to easily dispose of such cases. They already have a way to dispose by way of summary judgment.

Soon, they may even make a law that says any argument whose end goal would be to abolish the income tax either directly or proximately will no longer be heard and will be dismissed beforehand. In that case, the tax protest movement would be forced to change strategies.

They can already dispose cases without juries in civil cases, and injunction type cases. But in criminal cases I think the const. says you have a right to jury trial. That is why people are getting out of the criminal aspect, assuming that your jury is privy and sympathetic to tax protester arguments.. but the IRS doesnt care, because you still have to pay the taxes. You just dont go to jail. But they can take everything you own.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Ionlyknow wrote:

Even if only 10 people watched the DVD and stopped paying taxes and thereby ruined their lives, I would be against it.

And also wrote:

No one likes the income tax. We all want more money in our pockets,

Maybe here lies the "disconnect" that I'm sensing.

On the first statement, consider this for a moment: that the vast majority of men who signed the Declaration of Independence had their lives ruined, homes and businesses seized or destroyed, family harassed, imprisoned or killed outright.

And then the second about having more money in our pockets.

Now, I can't speak for all of the people doing this, but I can say about myself and the few others I know that are or have gone down this road, that it is not primarily about the money, it's about the principle. That I am required to submit to a self incriminating process with none of the protections of law afforded to any other criminal process, all for the purpose of extortion at the barrel of a government gun.

Of course, that can begin to look like martyrdom, but I prefer to look at it as "civil disobedience".

 

[Truth-Bringer]

How's "I believe everything Alex Jones says" going? 17/8/84?

Obviously, your training is going well...that's another false statement and an Appeal to Ridicule...