In CA, 287,590 vote for criminal who had dropped out of race

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"Sheer ignorance". No better way to describe democracy in America. The voters are so ignorant that they vote for criminals who have dropped out of the race. A huge percentage of voters vote for candidates because they have heard the candidate's name or just like the name. The voters who think they are informed vote for candidates because they saw a commercial on TV.

There is no hope.


An Absurd Number Of People Voted For State Senator Under Federal Investigation


Despite his arrest in March for several public corruption charges, including an alleged conspiracy to traffic firearms, suspended state Sen. Leland Yee (D-San Francisco) placed third in the primary race for California secretary of state.

Yee garnered 287,590 votes, trailing behind Alex Padilla (D) with 884,857 and Pete Peterson (R) with 871,388, The Associated Press reported Wednesday morning.

While Yee withdrew his election bid shortly after his arrest, he did so after the deadline for removing candidate statements from the voter guide had passed, the Los Angeles Times reported, noting Yee’s stated promises to “guarantee fair elections, expose special interests, and prevent corruption.”

San Jose State University political scientist Larry Gerston told the Times that votes for Yee could be largely attributed to sheer ignorance.
 
and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
 
Well, you were encouraging people in another thread to vote for Tim Donnelly, also a criminal running in California (albeit not one who had dropped out of the race), so I wouldn't be throwing stones.

Edit: Neg repping without responding is extremely mature, but here's your evidence; he's currently on probation for trying to bring a loaded firearm in his carry-on luggage onto a plane, and has previously been convicted of burglary, a felony. He also lied twice after the gun thing, first claiming he had no prior convictions, them claiming that the burglary conviction was as a juvenile (it wasn't).
 
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"Sheer ignorance". No better way to describe democracy in America. The voters are so ignorant that they vote for criminals who have dropped out of the race.

Yee garnered 287,590 votes, trailing behind Alex Padilla (D) with 884,857 and Pete Peterson (R) with 871,388,

How is voting for the criminal who has dropped out of a race any more "ignorant" than voting for the criminals who haven't? Seriously. Does anyone actually believe that the people who voted for Padilla or Peterson are any less "ignorant" (or any more "well-informed") than the people who voted for Yee?

Democracy sucks - it is, as they say, "two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch." And it really doesn't seem to matter very much to the sheep's ultimate fate whether the wolves are "ignorant & stupid" or "intelligent & well-informed" ...
 
How is voting for the criminal who has dropped out of a race any more "ignorant" than voting for the criminals who haven't? Seriously. Does anyone actually believe that the people who voted for Padilla or Peterson are any less "ignorant" (or any more "well-informed") than the people who voted for Yee?

Democracy sucks - it is, as they say, "two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch." And it really doesn't seem to matter very much to the sheep's ultimate fate whether the wolves are "ignorant & stupid" or "intelligent & well-informed" ...
Exactly. Systemic disfunction if one hopes for Peace, Liberty and Prosperity. Systemic perfection if one wants to gain control of other and profit by theft. Good thing I love an underdog.
 
A huge percentage of voters vote for candidates because they have heard the candidate's name or just like the name. The voters who think they are informed vote for candidates because they saw a commercial on TV.

How is voting for the criminal who has dropped out of a race any more "ignorant" than voting for the criminals who haven't? Seriously. Does anyone actually believe that the people who voted for Padilla or Peterson are any less "ignorant" (or any more "well-informed") than the people who voted for Yee?

Democracy sucks - it is, as they say, "two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch." And it really doesn't seem to matter very much to the sheep's ultimate fate whether the wolves are "ignorant & stupid" or "intelligent & well-informed" ...

Are you saying that all politicians are criminals? That and the merits of democratic process in a Republic are bigger picture issues.

As far as the the Padilla and Peterson voters, see my OP. They aren't necessarily any more well informed. They may just like the names. But we can say that the people who voted for Yee missed the fact that he wasn't in the race anymore. There will be a portion of the Peterson and Padilla voters who were well-informed. The same can't be said about any of the Yee voters.

The more, and also the well informed voters who probably would have voted for Yee (D) most likely switched to Padilla (D).
 
Well, you were encouraging people in another thread to vote for Tim Donnelly, also a criminal running in California (albeit not one who had dropped out of the race), so I wouldn't be throwing stones.

Edit: Neg repping without responding is extremely mature, but here's your evidence; he's currently on probation for trying to bring a loaded firearm in his carry-on luggage onto a plane, and has previously been convicted of burglary, a felony. He also lied twice after the gun thing, first claiming he had no prior convictions, them claiming that the burglary conviction was as a juvenile (it wasn't).

Didn't have time for a full response...here you go:

- Your response was an "attack the messenger" post. That is a form of personal attack, and is a violation of forum guidelines. I very rarely give neg reps, but you earned that one.

- Your response was referencing a different thread. There have been plenty of threads on Donnelly. Obviously you have read some of them. There was plenty of time for you to give your input on Donnelly in those threads.

- You gave no references for your accusations.

- As far as the firearm incident, Donnelly is a big 2nd Amendment supporter. That is why a lot of people liked him. Of course he has guns. He accidentally had one in his briefcase when he went to the airport. Do you think he was going to hijack a plane? Rob the Burger King in the airport? It was a honest mistake, even more understandable for a gun enthusiast. Should he be in jail for that? Disqualified from running for office? What should his punishment be for accidentally taking a prohibited item into the sacred TSA zone?

- He was not "convicted" of anything for his freshman year, alcohol fueled prank. There was no felony. It did not count as a "conviction", and it was expunged from his record. He and his buddy immediately returned the "stolen" stereo from the dorm room the next morning when they woke up. It's a non-issue.

- You are certainly keeping up with the GOP establishment smear campaign. Everyone has something in their past that can be blown out of proportion, twisted and then repeated ad-nauseum by pundits and propagandists. Three felonies a day. Why do you put so much faith in campaign smears?
 
Oh,,and for anyone that is unaware.. A criminal record does not bar someone from running or serving in public office (except for Voting law violations)

The guys name was still likely on the ballot and folks might not have known he dropped out.
 
Oh,,and for anyone that is unaware.. A criminal record does not bar someone from running or serving in public office (except for Voting law violations)

The guys name was still likely on the ballot and folks might not have known he dropped out.

Yes, his name was still on the ballot, because they didn't have time to remove it. He case was a major story in the State.

Does being indicted and awaiting trial prevent serving? Being locked in the Federal Pen would make it pretty hard to serve.

PS. IIRC, Yee is up on some voting law violations too.
 
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Why did 287,000-plus Californians vote for Leland Yee?

One of the odder stats of Election Night: As of Wednesday morning, 287,590 Californians had cast ballots for indicted state Sen. Leland Yee for secretary of state. That’s good for nearly 10 percent of the vote.

That’s also more votes than five other secretary of state candidates who haven’t been indicted received.

Never mind for a second that the San Francisco Democrat has been indicted on multiple federal money laundering and weapons charges. Yee DROPPED OUT of the race in March. Folks were voting for an indicted man who didn’t even want their votes.
 
PS. IIRC, Yee is up on some voting law violations too.

Well,, I am not trying to justify anything.. some serious scumbags have been in office for decades,, elected over and over again..

at least this one didn't win,, but is the guy who won any better at all? I mean ,, it's California. It would take a lot more than one that was totally amazing to make any difference at all.
 
Some people make "protest votes"- vote for some other guy- almost any guy- other than the main candidates. "Voting only encourages them". Voter turnout was extremely low in this election- below the previous record of 28%. Obama Birther Queen/ Lawyer/ Dentist/ Real Estate Agent Orly Taiz got three percent in her race for Attorney general.
 
Democracy- where every idiot gets a vote on things they know nothing about nor understand.
 
Some people make "protest votes"- vote for some other guy- almost any guy- other than the main candidates. "Voting only encourages them". Voter turnout was extremely low in this election- below the previous record of 28%. Obama Birther Queen/ Lawyer/ Dentist/ Real Estate Agent Orly Taiz got three percent in her race for Attorney general.

What's really sad is that the Libertarian came in dead last, even lost to Orly Taitz. And that was the only Libertarian on the entire ballot.

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/attorney-general/
 
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Are you saying that all politicians are criminals?

No, I am not. The phrasing of my question explicitly referenced "the criminals who haven't" dropped out of a race - NOT "all politicians who haven't" done so. Hence, any politicians who are NOT criminals are not a subject of my question. Of course, the question then becomes, "What do we mean by 'criminal'?" Do we mean the mere violation of this, that or the other statutory rule(s) enacted & enforced by the State - or do we mean the violation of fundamental principles of justice, liberty and the rule of law? Yee's opponents may not be criminals by the former defintion - but they may very well be by the latter. (And if they are, then do Yee's statutory peccadilloes really matter that much in the "bigger picture" you mention next ... ?)

That and the merits of democratic process in a Republic are bigger picture issues.

I think the latter of the above definitions of "criminal" is much more significant, important, relevant & dispositive than the former when it comes to the "bigger picture" involving the "democratic process in a Republic." Padilla and Peterson may not be "statutory" criminals - but that is merely the absence of a negative, not the presence of a positive.

As far as the the Padilla and Peterson voters, see my OP. They aren't necessarily any more well informed. They may just like the names. But we can say that the people who voted for Yee missed the fact that he wasn't in the race anymore.

But we could say exactly the same thing - i.e., that they "missed the fact that [Yee] wasn't in the race anymore" - about many (probably most, and theoretically even all) of the people who voted for Padilla or Peterson, too. So what warrant have we been given to exempt any significant number of Padilla and Peterson voters from the very same assessment we are being invited to apply to Yee voters? Why should we single out the ones who voted for Yee as "sheer" ignoramuses (as did the political science professor in the OP article)?

I get what you're saying (i.e., that some Padilla and Peterson voters are ignoramuses, too), and I completely agree with you as far as it goes. I just think it goes even further (and gets even worse) than that. Those "ignorant" Yee voters are not especially "bad" as voters go - that is, there doesn't seem to be anything we can say about Yee voters that couldn't be applied just as much to Padilla and Peterson voters.

There will be a portion of the Peterson and Padilla voters who were well-informed. The same can't be said about any of the Yee voters.

On the contrary - it might be that the same can be said about some of the Yee voters.
We can't simply say that everyone who voted for Yee must have been "ill-informed" and unaware that he had dropped out.
Many people voted for Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012 knowing full well that he was "out of the race" - but they voted for him anyway.
How many Yee voters knowingly did the same - because they preferred him, or as a protest vote against the other Democrat, or whatever?

Granted, there might not be very many Yee voters who were aware he had dropped out. But there surely could be some. And no particular reason has been given for thinking that the portion of "well-informed" Padilla or Peterson voters who knew that Yee was out is significantly greater than the portion of "well-informed" Yee voters who knew that Yee was out. So to repeat what I said earlier: there doesn't seem to be anything we can say about Yee voters that couldn't be applied just as much to Padilla and Peterson voters.

The more, and also the well informed voters who probably would have voted for Yee (D) most likely switched to Padilla (D).

Being "well-informed" because you do not vote for a candidate that you know has dropped out of a race is not, ceteris paribus, any real improvement over being "ignorant" because you vote for a candidate that you do not know has dropped out of a race. I would much rather live in a democracy under which an "ignorant" majority of voters unwittingly vote for "dropped out" candidates who support things like fewer or lower taxes, non-interventionsim, economic freedom, civil liberties, etc. than one in which a "well-informed" majority of voters (who are "up" on all the latest political punditry and scandals) vote for candidates who support things like more or higher taxes, interventionism, economic regulation, restrictions on or violations of civil liberties, etc.

But as the OP story reveals, democracy is a mass exercise in Pavlovian lever-pulling. And even worse, whether the lever-pullers are "ignorant" or "well-informed" doesn't really seem to matter much in the end - da pooch is gonna get scrood either way.
 
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