Impeaching the Official Campaign "Poll"

[VoteForRonPaul]

Ron Paul will stand by the decisions he has made and those of his staff.

I do not think this is the same Ron Paul I know!
Ron Paul that I know when he knows of a mistake he demands a change immediately and does not wait until things get worse!

People are pissed I am sure but this is absolutely ridiculous. There are a lot more people and organizations to blame if this campaign fails. I would think that HQ is the least of those.

The HQ is the least of who?
Every side should do its role separately.
That is what I am trying concentrate on right now. Did the campaign do its part efficiently and successfully? If no, so why it is still there. That would be a waste of time, efforts, money, stress and frustration. Why the people have to accept the wrong thing? Is this the way we should evaluate our governments too?

It is real easy to sit behind a computer on a forum and be critical of others where you are nameless and faceless.

I do not get the point. Is there any thing wrong with siting behind the computer and engaging in a serious discussion? Do you have to see my face to believe me? My face might scare you or it might give you comfort? But what this has to do with exchanging thoughts and saying what is wrong and what is right? Do you see a book's writer while he is writing his books? And would it make a difference if he writes his name anonymous?

I do not even understand what you are trying to say here? Impeach who? How do you expect to go about this?

I tried to explain this in the first post but I can explain again.
Forget the term impeach if it sounds too heavy. I am asking the supporters who are not satisfied with the performance of this campaign to send their voice strong to Dr.Paul and ask him to change the management of his campaign.
Ron Paul cannot ignore the voice of his people and be loyal to the wrong people just because they are close to him. I think this is one thing we loved about Ron Paul. Ron Paul is not Bush!
If we do this tomorrow we can have good news very soon but if people decided not to face it and chose to cover it up then it will never happen. I believe this change can happen very fast if we would be true with ourselves and demand it.

But what I would like to warn this movement from is that what we plant today into this movement is going to be the fruits of tomorrow. If we plant fear and covering-up this is exactly what this movement is going to sow in the future. I am truly worried about the future of this movement!

With the results of some poll that surely does do not represent even a small percentage of the people involved in this movement?.

That is ture but this is usually how polls are done.
The population of America about 300 millions. So how many you think share in any national poll.
Well, we can keep bumping this thread until we get a pretty good sample.
And if you are honest about your demand then you can easily send this poll to your meet up group.

 

[Andrew76]

I would add another multiple choice answer that reads: No we shouldn't impeach anyone, since none of us really know the day-to-day goings on in campaign HQ. The proverbial "walk a mile in someone else's shoes," comes to mind.
Maybe they are guilty of some serious flubs, maybe they aren't. But until you've worked on a major national campaign for a presidential candidate, I don't feel it's fair - on principle - to be certain they've done something wrong.
The major fact is: Ron Paul was almost completely ignored or sidelined my the MSM. Without constant t.v. coverage, there's no chance for anyone. How do you control that?

 

[brandon]

I wish people would stop talking about this. What is the point? How does this discussion help us restore liberty?

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

But until you've worked on a major national campaign for a presidential candidate, I don't feel it's fair - on principle - to be certain they've done something wrong.

That is to me like if you are telling the American people not to vote unless if they have worked in politics in the past.

The major fact is: Ron Paul was almost completely ignored or sidelined my the MSM. Without constant t.v. coverage, there's no chance for anyone. How do you control that?

The major fact is that this campaign did not buy consistent air time when they had and still have the money PERIOD

The question now is; How to change that?

 

[AJ Antimony]

How can we impeach his staff when most of them are gone since Super Tuesday?

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

How can we impeach his staff when most of them are gone since Super Tuesday?

I do not really mean changing the whole staff if any remained, just changing the top leader regardless who he is. The most important thing is that we need a creative and experienced mind on the top of this campaign, someone who can listen to what the demands of the supporters are and be able to re-energize them again, with money bombs, Ads ...etc
But now if the current campaign created a money, what would be the purpose of it?? What would be the purpose of it if we the people know that they take it and do nothing useful which we demand or at least know about.

 

[amy31416]

A day late and a fiat dollar short, buddy.

Whaddaya say we learn from the mistakes that were made, build on our strengths and thank Jesus we didn't have Rudy's campaign managers.

 

[Hook]

Uh, you aren't going to change anything now. The campaign is nearly over. Anything that happens from here on out is going to be purely grassroots doing.

There is like 10 people left working for HQ.

 

[nc4rp]

this post smells like doo doo

 

[H Roark]

lol, what a ridiculous idea.

 

[TruthAtLast]

Uh, you aren't going to change anything now. The campaign is nearly over. Anything that happens from here on out is going to be purely grassroots doing.

There is like 10 people left working for HQ.

Good point. This is such a ridiculous idea.

Maybe the next poll should be about boycotting Fox News for their snub months ago. Or let's do a poll on whether we should bring back the Blimp. Or how about firing or (impeaching) the person in charge of the mailers in New Hampshire.

There is still a lot of work to do to push this Movement forward and some people are caught up on what happened months ago! What the heck is going on?

 

[parke]

I keep reading but all my mind is hearing is a long wet fart.

Divide and Conquer

We must remain united and listen to our general. That being RP. Judging by his demeanor today on MSNBC or CNBC.. He's much wiser and smarter than people give him credit for. I bet his scores from college were pretty darn stellar.

I trust RP. Lets just ride this storm out. Nobody knows whats going to happen tomorrow.

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

There is like 10 people left working for HQ.

You have 10 people controlling over 5.000.000 dollars of the grassroots!
10 people would make it easier for us to change.

Anything that happens from here on out is going to be purely grassroots doing.

I think you missed reading this statistics. This means that 10 people earn 161,427.52 every month for doing nearly a ZERO job.
Sorry sir this is called a FRAUD


RPPCC Still had $5.5 MILLION on hand as of 2/29.

Here's a breakdown of major expenses (categories over $10K) for FEBRUARY:

Television Spot Expense/Production............... 559,195.00
Telecommunications............................... 290,586.22
Reimbursement Expenses........................... 215,152.61
Freight/Shipping Expenses........................ 165,676.47
Salaries......................................... 161,427.52
Payroll Tax Expense.............................. 161,320.07
Credit Card Contributions Processing Fee......... 148,527.50
Airline Travel................................... 91,979.99
Consulting-Political Field Work.................. 82,374.74
Bulk Mail Printing/Processing/Postage............ 77,504.40
Print Advertising................................ 50,000.00
Travel-Hotel Accomodations....................... 45,369.61
Petition Coordination............................ 43,433.61
Signs/Sign Supplies.............................. 42,595.47
Books/Magazines.................................. 40,000.00
Rent Expense..................................... 31,588.32
Ballot Access Coordinator........................ 27,633.43
Petitioner....................................... 24,849.75
Travel-Car Rental................................ 24,419.13
Food Expense..................................... 22,004.86
Telephone Expense................................ 21,902.43
Mileage Expense.................................. 16,045.48
Catering......................................... 15,342.53
Political Field Work............................. 14,127.00
Office Supplies.................................. 13,031.57
Media Expense.................................... 13,009.14
Accounting Services.............................. 10,833.45
Radio Spot Expense............................... 10,288.60
Credit Card Payment.............................. 10,004.52
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[Aratus]

even if we postulate the staff snarfing up $200,000 in salaries per month until the convention
and there are no more expendatures, this still leaves $4.5 million in the kitty after
the hypothetical 10 to 30 people take their part-time or full-time pay! logically it takes
until the november election for most funds to be vaporized if there are no more moneybombs.
irreguardless how effective the campaign staff has been, there is now the debate over
whether or not Ron Paul should actively seek to be on november's ballot as a presidential
candidate. any money spent now to the tune of 2 to 5 million dollars cuts into any funds
set aside for any run in 2012. Ron Paul's house seat perhaps will not have him facing
a strong contender in terms of the person the democrats have put forth. he seems close
to returning once again to the house of representatives. he does not need a big kitty for this...

 

[Aratus]

handwriting on the wall...?

if the people at HQ are being honest with us, they really know at the least they all
shall spend about a million bucks prior to the convention, and another million from
the convention to the november election. this gives about 3 million for them to spend
on anything other than salaries. the deep level decision to be made is ron paul's...

 

[New York For Paul]

It is an interesting question to see if Ron Paul were to run four years from now.

Five million is a lot of money. The HQ probably costs very little as well.

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

It is an interesting question to see if Ron Paul were to run four years from now.

Five million is a lot of money. The HQ probably costs very little as well.

With all the respect for the people who came out with the idea of running in four years, I believe this idea is so ridiculous to come out at this time while we still have 5 months to go in this race. People paid money and they were willing to pay more if something positive done by their money but unfortunately this campaign is so inefficient and should be replaced today before tomorrow. If we spend this money on advertising from now and until the convention our movement can grow massively and be so well known to the whole nation that it is still active and not over. We should stop the people of this campaign from running quietly and secretively while mccain is running everywhere and everyday on TV.
That is totally a terrible strategy.
Please demand a change!
The problem now resides in how to send our voices to Ron Paul and I do not think we trust this campaign to do this job for us!

And now I am asking those people who voted that they trust this campaign to prove to us that their campaign is worthy of trust by sending our voices of "demanding a change" to Ron Paul through their so called trusted campaign. And if you cannot do this then this would be another proof added to why a large number of RP's supporters do not trust this campaign!

 

[Aratus]

if we want to dissipate 2.5 million or 5 million dollars, in mediawar terms,
NEXT winter, ONE BIG SUPERBOWL ad does what 10,ooo smaller ads do!
romney just plastered his good looks to the tune of 30 million dollars on tv...
recently. could one BIG ad be an equalizer in terms of name recognition???
i am trying to think about all the name recognition poor mitt got this january...
i am also thinking about all the delegates and votes he happily got this year.
i really do think that ron paul is now as recognizable as is mitt romney to people!

 

[Aratus]

why not divert the funds into the kitty for the house of reps runs in 2oo8 and 2o10
and then take a remainder set in either 2oo9 or 2o11 and then schedule Dr Ron Paul
to 100 days in iowa between january of 2oo9 and December of 2o11!!! lets anticipate
the NEXT suspertuesday madness that most of us have memorized totally in our own
monday morning quarterbacking! in those states that reject libertarians, you can vote
twice in the two upcoming republican primaries. you can also donate small amounts of
money to honorable REPUBLICAN candidates so as to show that you LIKE the message
they have. some people have a short list here of people who seem to be like Ron Paul
in this. interacting with a traditional ballot or voting machine in those two primaries
as a REPUBLICAN makes you more officially republican despite your tendencies to quote
Ayn Rand the Objectivist. people are then closer to being able to be accepted by GOP people...

 

[Aratus]

sorta...




this is the idea
whereby you get
to change the party
platform or field delegates!!!